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The Mirror is a terrible paper, spiteful tabloid rubbish. I agree, he went boxing, had a few beers and kipped at his mates. Big deal. Sad tabloid vultures following him around, what pathetic lives they must lead.

Ben Carey wrote:
You know as well as I do that he isn't, and never was, the people's champion. He had some cracking booze-ups though. I question anyone's dignity who can not speak to their parents and brother for a prolonged period of time, or apparently milk his loyal legion of supporters who hung rigidly to his coat tails for years.

Had he fought Witter we could have been spared all this because Junior WOULD have stood him on his head, despite what the Hatton fraud police and the Showtime execs that never were might have said. Seriously.

Spud wrote: I so want to rick with you Carey .... but you know if I start arguing ref Witter/Hatton stating Hatton would have won you will expose me because I always stated Junior would have won.

Ben Carey wrote:The Hatton-Witter argument is subjective pal, but the notion that Hatton is an all-round good bloke, man of the people, is squeaky clean, absolutely isn't. Hatton's stack seems bomb proof to some people on here which is rather irritating.

Mr Carey,

My view is Hatton was a "man of the people" because he was so vulnerable and showed he succumbed to the same temptations.

Has the public never got p*ssed?
Has the public never been tempted by women?
Has the public stayed away from drugs?

You try to mention about the fans shelling out so much money on Hatton following him around the world ... my argument to that is ... each and everytime Hatton boxed he gave his fans and the public value for their money.

Over to you ...

Wales wrote:

Darcy Delaney wrote:so what was the argument with his parents about I know it was money but what's happened ?

If you were working for me, and I was giving my dad the money to pay you, but you said you weren't getting it, but my dad said you were I'd believe my dad. I'd then be pretty pissed if it went as far as court before me dad told me he wasn't paying you.

Naturally The above has got nothing to do with Hatton - I'm just saying id be annoyed if that happened to me.

Would you then spend 3 days in court arguing about it?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... mer-904735

Wales wrote:How much involvement do you think Ricky will have had, directly, with ticket sales? Also, hardly a rarity fleecing your fans -- we all remember the Calzaghe Hopkins ticket sale stories where joe charged a guy in his gym extra because "everyone on ebay is doing it so why shouldn't i"

As for witter argument, it can go on and on but, regardless of opinion, junior never beat anyone of the calibre Ricky did, and never performed to the level Ricky did. Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

Was Ricky telling the truth when he claimed the Witter fight had been written into his contract?

Bloody hell

Hatton/Witter threads on the forums ... I remember years ago they were the debates which kept the forums going!!

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

Wales wrote:How much involvement do you think Ricky will have had, directly, with ticket sales? Also, hardly a rarity fleecing your fans -- we all remember the Calzaghe Hopkins ticket sale stories where joe charged a guy in his gym extra because "everyone on ebay is doing it so why shouldn't i"

As for witter argument, it can go on and on but, regardless of opinion, junior never beat anyone of the calibre Ricky did, and never performed to the level Ricky did. Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

Was Ricky telling the truth when he claimed the Witter fight had been written into his contract?

Does anyone outside Wincobank even care? I think their respective careers speak for themselves.

never mind their careers (tho witter was wbc champ)

junior would have derailed the hatton gravy train and they knew it. i followed hatton everywhere, loved the boxer, love the man...but witter would have been all wrong for him

first off i hate the mirror ,in every story there has to be a victim in it ,normaly some rapist that is suing the prison system for a breach of their human rights .poor thing

that sounds like a normal weekend to me watch a fight have a few beers and sleep it off at a mates .........

ricky like so many other working class hero's only knows one way to celebrate and thats with beer , i was brought up the same and it's a hard circle to break ,it's just not the same having a meal with friends rather than getting lashed up .
i don't know if the stories true or not ......BUT ricky like tyson will spend the rest of his days battling the booze ,sometime he'll win sometimes he'll lose .

if hes pished the couch then hes defo " one of the lads"

ive got Hattons book on my xmas list along with tysons , lets hope the bird doesnt get it wrong

Last year i got " Its a wonderfull Life DVD" instead of "Lifes Too Short"

veriton wrote:hang on a minute. so he goes and watches the boxing, gets rat arsed and then kips at his mates house? what's the big deal????

I've given up reading those kind of papers. It's either the paper making up b****ks or the person in question (like a poster has mentioned) trying to sell their book/video by hype. You never know.

Or he has gone on a bender. So what, he's a multi millionaire, he can do what he wants.

Spud wrote:I

His private life is exactly that,

This is the problem that "celebrities" are finding.

They court the press and want as much publicity as possible (and publicity increases awareness and invariably leads to more opportunities and money).

But is it is a double edged sword - if you go down the road of courting celebrity (as Hatton has done) then you can't just switch it on and off.

It is then not reasonable to be selective, only exploiting the positive and expecting nobody to be interested in the negative.

Spud wrote:

Ben Carey wrote:
You know as well as I do that he isn't, and never was, the people's champion. He had some cracking booze-ups though. I question anyone's dignity who can not speak to their parents and brother for a prolonged period of time, or apparently milk his loyal legion of supporters who hung rigidly to his coat tails for years.

Had he fought Witter we could have been spared all this because Junior WOULD have stood him on his head, despite what the Hatton fraud police and the Showtime execs that never were might have said. Seriously.

Spud wrote: I so want to rick with you Carey .... but you know if I start arguing ref Witter/Hatton stating Hatton would have won you will expose me because I always stated Junior would have won.

Ben Carey wrote:The Hatton-Witter argument is subjective pal, but the notion that Hatton is an all-round good bloke, man of the people, is squeaky clean, absolutely isn't. Hatton's stack seems bomb proof to some people on here which is rather irritating.

Mr Carey,

My view is Hatton was a "man of the people" because he was so vulnerable and showed he succumbed to the same temptations.

Has the public never got p*ssed?
Has the public never been tempted by women?
Has the public stayed away from drugs?

You try to mention about the fans shelling out so much money on Hatton following him around the world ... my argument to that is ... each and everytime Hatton boxed he gave his fans and the public value for their money.

Over to you ...

Hatton was good value, agreed. I just think it's a shame him being "one of the lads" has cost him his relationships with the very people he should be closest too. Will the real Ricky Hatton ever stand up? (if he can).

I know plenty of people who have at the very least fractious sometimes terrible or zero relationships with family members but that is their business as Hatton's is his.

Ben Carey wrote:

Spud wrote:

Ben Carey wrote:
You know as well as I do that he isn't, and never was, the people's champion. He had some cracking booze-ups though. I question anyone's dignity who can not speak to their parents and brother for a prolonged period of time, or apparently milk his loyal legion of supporters who hung rigidly to his coat tails for years.

Had he fought Witter we could have been spared all this because Junior WOULD have stood him on his head, despite what the Hatton fraud police and the Showtime execs that never were might have said. Seriously.

Spud wrote: I so want to rick with you Carey .... but you know if I start arguing ref Witter/Hatton stating Hatton would have won you will expose me because I always stated Junior would have won.

Ben Carey wrote:The Hatton-Witter argument is subjective pal, but the notion that Hatton is an all-round good bloke, man of the people, is squeaky clean, absolutely isn't. Hatton's stack seems bomb proof to some people on here which is rather irritating.

Mr Carey,

My view is Hatton was a "man of the people" because he was so vulnerable and showed he succumbed to the same temptations.

Has the public never got p*ssed?
Has the public never been tempted by women?
Has the public stayed away from drugs?

You try to mention about the fans shelling out so much money on Hatton following him around the world ... my argument to that is ... each and everytime Hatton boxed he gave his fans and the public value for their money.

Over to you ...

Hatton was good value, agreed. I just think it's a shame him being "one of the lads" has cost him his relationships with the very people he should be closest too. Will the real Ricky Hatton ever stand up? (if he can).

Ouch!!!

Do you want to have a read of Thomas Hauser's article, Palooka, copied above and entertain me after that?[/quote]


You've lost me there Ben, over my head; I've to go to bed, work in the morning but if there's something good to read please post a link and I'll read it when I get in tomorrow and my wife watches Doctors (I'm allowed on the computer then).[/quote]

Happy weekend Palooka, have a read if and when you get chance, would welcome your take. Thanks.

http://www.secondsout.com/uk-boxing-new ... and-boxing[/quote]

That is bad profitering; it is cynical and penny pinching to make even more money from passionate fans - I hadn't heard about that - it does leave a bad taste

There's an awful lot of spiteful rubbish written in here, some of you must be scribes for the sun no doubt!. We do have a wonderful way of kicking our hero's down and then jumping up and down on their heads. So Ricky isn't perfect! so Ricky isn't an angel! oh gosh what a let down the man is!!!!. Alcoholism is actually an illness, and has been recognised as such for quite some time! though you wouldn't think so to read some of the comments in here. And as for the poor people who Ricky forced to spend all their money so they could go and watch him fight in America! I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life!. No doubt we'll be hearing how Froch drove thousands to bankruptcy next!!.

fatcity69 wrote:There's an awful lot of spiteful rubbish written in here, some of you must be scribes for the sun no doubt!. We do have a wonderful way of kicking our hero's down and then jumping up and down on their heads. So Ricky isn't perfect! so Ricky isn't an angel! oh gosh what a let down the man is!!!!. Alcoholism is actually an illness, and has been recognised as such for quite some time! though you wouldn't think so to read some of the comments in here. And as for the poor people who Ricky forced to spend all their money so they could go and watch him fight in America! I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life!. No doubt we'll be hearing how Froch drove thousands to bankruptcy next!!.

What an ignorant post. As a father Hatton has responsibilities - going AWOL for a weekend isn't acceptable, neither is letting down his partner after she stood by him when he previously played away. As for making his fans 'spend all their money', no, that wasn't implied, but based on Hauser's article their loyalty appears to have been exploited. I'm glad he's a hero to you though. Some role model.

mickey1975 wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

Wales wrote:How much involvement do you think Ricky will have had, directly, with ticket sales? Also, hardly a rarity fleecing your fans -- we all remember the Calzaghe Hopkins ticket sale stories where joe charged a guy in his gym extra because "everyone on ebay is doing it so why shouldn't i"

As for witter argument, it can go on and on but, regardless of opinion, junior never beat anyone of the calibre Ricky did, and never performed to the level Ricky did. Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

Was Ricky telling the truth when he claimed the Witter fight had been written into his contract?

Does anyone outside Wincobank even care? I think their respective careers speak for themselves.

They obviously do - there's still a lot of threads about it.

My post was more a reply to someone who was trying to make out that Hatton didn't know his trainer hadn't been paid.

Ben Carey wrote:

fatcity69 wrote:There's an awful lot of spiteful rubbish written in here, some of you must be scribes for the sun no doubt!. We do have a wonderful way of kicking our hero's down and then jumping up and down on their heads. So Ricky isn't perfect! so Ricky isn't an angel! oh gosh what a let down the man is!!!!. Alcoholism is actually an illness, and has been recognised as such for quite some time! though you wouldn't think so to read some of the comments in here. And as for the poor people who Ricky forced to spend all their money so they could go and watch him fight in America! I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life!. No doubt we'll be hearing how Froch drove thousands to bankruptcy next!!.

What an ignorant post. As a father Hatton has responsibilities - going AWOL for a weekend isn't acceptable, neither is letting down his partner after she stood by him when he previously played away. As for making his fans 'spend all their money', no, that wasn't implied, but based on Hauser's article their loyalty appears to have been exploited. I'm glad he's a hero to you though. Some role model.

No he isn't a 'hero' to me I just don't like the lynch mob mentality of some of the posts on here. As for ignorance I would suggest you do a little study of the complexities of alcoholism... which is an illness!... alcoholics generally tend to disappear on binges, its a symptom of alcoholism funnily enough!. Yes it must be hell for his family and girlfriend but this is a man with an illness, I a really shocked at the lack of compassion from some quarters here. You expect a guy to go out and get hit in the head for 20 years and then when his careers over toddle off to his shed to spend the next 30 years of his life reading gardening magazines.... lifes often more complicated than that! or a I just being ignorant again! lol!.

Ben Carey wrote:

fatcity69 wrote:There's an awful lot of spiteful rubbish written in here, some of you must be scribes for the sun no doubt!. We do have a wonderful way of kicking our hero's down and then jumping up and down on their heads. So Ricky isn't perfect! so Ricky isn't an angel! oh gosh what a let down the man is!!!!. Alcoholism is actually an illness, and has been recognised as such for quite some time! though you wouldn't think so to read some of the comments in here. And as for the poor people who Ricky forced to spend all their money so they could go and watch him fight in America! I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life!. No doubt we'll be hearing how Froch drove thousands to bankruptcy next!!.

What an ignorant post. As a father Hatton has responsibilities - going AWOL for a weekend isn't acceptable, neither is letting down his partner after she stood by him when he previously played away. As for making his fans 'spend all their money', no, that wasn't implied, but based on Hauser's article their loyalty appears to have been exploited. I'm glad he's a hero to you though. Some role model.

Oh yes! Thomas Hauser! it must be true then and Ricky must be a really nasty, bad bad man!.

Ben Carey wrote:

fatcity69 wrote:There's an awful lot of spiteful rubbish written in here, some of you must be scribes for the sun no doubt!. We do have a wonderful way of kicking our hero's down and then jumping up and down on their heads. So Ricky isn't perfect! so Ricky isn't an angel! oh gosh what a let down the man is!!!!. Alcoholism is actually an illness, and has been recognised as such for quite some time! though you wouldn't think so to read some of the comments in here. And as for the poor people who Ricky forced to spend all their money so they could go and watch him fight in America! I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life!. No doubt we'll be hearing how Froch drove thousands to bankruptcy next!!.

What an ignorant post. As a father Hatton has responsibilities - going AWOL for a weekend isn't acceptable, neither is letting down his partner after she stood by him when he previously played away. As for making his fans 'spend all their money', no, that wasn't implied, but based on Hauser's article their loyalty appears to have been exploited. I'm glad he's a hero to you though. Some role model.

This role model stuff is another puzzle to me? if your looking for a role model for your kids, why not look at the person in the mirror, rather than a famous sportsman or celebrity!. Don't make someone a role model and then blame them because they turn out to have human frailties just like everyone else!.

fatcity69 wrote:

Ben Carey wrote:

fatcity69 wrote:There's an awful lot of spiteful rubbish written in here, some of you must be scribes for the sun no doubt!. We do have a wonderful way of kicking our hero's down and then jumping up and down on their heads. So Ricky isn't perfect! so Ricky isn't an angel! oh gosh what a let down the man is!!!!. Alcoholism is actually an illness, and has been recognised as such for quite some time! though you wouldn't think so to read some of the comments in here. And as for the poor people who Ricky forced to spend all their money so they could go and watch him fight in America! I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life!. No doubt we'll be hearing how Froch drove thousands to bankruptcy next!!.

What an ignorant post. As a father Hatton has responsibilities - going AWOL for a weekend isn't acceptable, neither is letting down his partner after she stood by him when he previously played away. As for making his fans 'spend all their money', no, that wasn't implied, but based on Hauser's article their loyalty appears to have been exploited. I'm glad he's a hero to you though. Some role model.

Oh yes! Thomas Hauser! it must be true then and Ricky must be a really nasty, bad bad man!.

Hauser raises some interesting points, appreciate why you and others find it convenient to look away. I don't buy Hatton's "addiction" to booze. He's consistently proven he can be dry for prolonged periods, both in and out of the ring. I don't have a vendetta against Hatton, he was a great fighter. However, I can't fathom why so many still choose to view him with rose tinted glasses.

He's consistently proven he can be dry for prolonged periods

A common sign of an alcoholic by the way.

As I said in a previous post top sportsmen are usually highly strung personalities with very fine tolerances and it's very easy for their lives to go tits up.

Hauser raises some interesting points, appreciate why you and others find it convenient to look away. I don't buy Hatton's "addiction" to booze. He's consistently proven he can be dry for prolonged periods, both in and out of the ring. I don't have a vendetta against Hatton, he was a great fighter. However, I can't fathom why so many still choose to view him with rose tinted glasses.[/quote][/quote]

Oh so now hes pretending to be addicted to booze! clever ploy that! I must say. Seriously Ben you haven't a clue what your talking about. Long periods of sobriety between longer periods of binge drinking is one of the classic symptoms and behaviour of alcoholism. Look at Gazza... but then I suppose he's pretending too!. Come to think of it theyre probably in it together!!! the plot thickens...

fatcity69 wrote:Hauser raises some interesting points, appreciate why you and others find it convenient to look away. I don't buy Hatton's "addiction" to booze. He's consistently proven he can be dry for prolonged periods, both in and out of the ring. I don't have a vendetta against Hatton, he was a great fighter. However, I can't fathom why so many still choose to view him with rose tinted glasses.

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Oh so now hes pretending to be addicted to booze! clever ploy that! I must say. Seriously Ben you haven't a clue what your talking about. Long periods of sobriety between longer periods of binge drinking is one of the classic symptoms and behaviour of alcoholism. Look at Gazza... but then I suppose he's pretending too!. Come to think of it theyre probably in it together!!! the plot thickens...[/quote]

I'm not up on alcoholism, I'll concede that. But I don't see why Hatton should be dissolved of all responsibilities because of that and his high profile career. If Hatton's a victim then so are his Mrs, Mum and Dad and his kids.