Any bench pressers here?

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punchoutsb wrote:
lillywhite14 wrote:Been a little stop start for me also, punched out 3x5 at 147.5kg on Monday though which felt good.
Good lift, Lillywhite! :TU: I need to add a heavy day back in. I'm getting stale doing all these reps!!
CiganoBoxer wrote:I dropped a fair bit of cardio and my bench is back up to 100kg for 16 reps,120kg for 6 reps , deadlift 180kg for 7reps an 220kg for 1rep :yay:
On your way to deadlifting master, Cigano! I'm cutting back my bodyweight through middle of October, so I've added a little cardio :KO:

Trying to drop a little fat before I start my serious winter/pre competition bulk! Steak and Eggs all day!
Don't know about that lol
I am gonna get back up to about 17st 7 again through winter mate , when i was running i was just over 16st but i lost a fair bit of size off my shoulders/neck,it was due to not going heavy on the weights an running 7 milers regular ,got a bit carried away with fitness :lol:
Bench is probably my worst exercise , my one rep maximums are no where near as good as my working sets if that makes any sense ?
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If your max attempts aren't in line with your reps, I honestly think it's a mental block rather than a muscular one.

When you bench heavy, its probably the scariest exercise of all. When you set a ceiling for yourself, it takes some extreme focus to bust through it.

Back before I hit 405 for the first time, I was regularly hitting 385 for 5-6 reps. But when I grabbed 405, it felt night and day heavy. It wasn't until one day I flipped my mental switch and finally blasted through it. You got the strength right now mate. Just gotta make yourself believe!!
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punchoutsb wrote:If your max attempts aren't in line with your reps, I honestly think it's a mental block rather than a muscular one.

When you bench heavy, its probably the scariest exercise of all. When you set a ceiling for yourself, it takes some extreme focus to bust through it.

Back before I hit 405 for the first time, I was regularly hitting 385 for 5-6 reps. But when I grabbed 405, it felt night and day heavy. It wasn't until one day I flipped my mental switch and finally blasted through it. You got the strength right now mate. Just gotta make yourself believe!!
This is something I wonder about. I'm wondering if my buddy racks 10 lbs over my max w/o me knowing and tells me it's just under my max, if I'd put it up.

A lot of people don't understand just how mental lifting can be.
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punchoutsb wrote:If your max attempts aren't in line with your reps, I honestly think it's a mental block rather than a muscular one.

When you bench heavy, its probably the scariest exercise of all. When you set a ceiling for yourself, it takes some extreme focus to bust through it.

Back before I hit 405 for the first time, I was regularly hitting 385 for 5-6 reps. But when I grabbed 405, it felt night and day heavy. It wasn't until one day I flipped my mental switch and finally blasted through it. You got the strength right now mate. Just gotta make yourself believe!!
This is something I wonder about. I'm wondering if my buddy racks 10 lbs over my max w/o me knowing and tells me it's just under my max, if I'd put it up.

A lot of people don't understand just how mental lifting can be.
Absolutely you could. I've used this on athletes before. I was once training a regional level crossfit athlete who wanted to get her bench up. Her long term goal was 150, but she'd never hit more than 135. I once got her busy talking and put 155 on the bar and told her it was 135. I told her it may feel a bit heavier since we hit chest two days earlier. She got two reps and was like "Wow, I must be getting weaker! That felt really hard." I told her she just put 20 pounds on her PR and she was ecstatic.

Two of the most fantastic studies on the minds effects are:

Ariel et. Al. (1972) “Anabolic Steroids: The Physiological Effects of Placebos,” Medicine and Science in Sports, vol. 4, 124–26.

Maganaris et. Al. (2000) “Expectancy effects and strength training: do steroids make a difference?” Sport psychologist, vol. 14, no. 3, 272-278.

I've referenced both when I was earning my masters.

In the first study, 15 lifters were put on a strength training plan and told the top six (in terms of strength gain) would then be given steroids to test their positive effects. The top guys gained an average of about 25 pounds over the three lifts tested (seated OHP, military press and bench). They were then given a placebo they believed to be steroids. They then gained about 100 pounds average over the three lifts. All in the mind.

In the second one they had 11 national level powerlifters take a sugar pill they thought was a new super fast acting steroid. All 11 lifters broke previous PR's by 4-5% on all three powerlifts. Two weeks later they told five that the pills were sugar pills, and all five dropped back to their previous maxes, not able to hit the new PR they'd managed two weeks earlier. The other six who still believed they were on a new drug set new PR's again.

You are already much stronger than you know...you just have to convince yourself!!

:TU:
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I'm the worlds worst for talking myself out of a lift. I suppose it don't help that I often work out alone
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lillywhite14 wrote:I'm the worlds worst for talking myself out of a lift. I suppose it don't help that I often work out alone
It's harder when you lift alone for sure. That's when music helps :lol:

It's just amazing that we have so much more strength and power than we truly believe. Just believing that is a step in the right direction!
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punchoutsb wrote:If your max attempts aren't in line with your reps, I honestly think it's a mental block rather than a muscular one.

When you bench heavy, its probably the scariest exercise of all. When you set a ceiling for yourself, it takes some extreme focus to bust through it.

Back before I hit 405 for the first time, I was regularly hitting 385 for 5-6 reps. But when I grabbed 405, it felt night and day heavy. It wasn't until one day I flipped my mental switch and finally blasted through it. You got the strength right now mate. Just gotta make yourself believe!!
i hit 100kg for 17 reps today , then hit 120kg for one an put it back , went for the 130kg and finally got it , went for a 135kg nearly had it but failed it , dropped back on 100kg an pumped out a slow 10 reps , so all in all had my best day in a long time :TU:
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Awesome job ciganoboxer! Top notch stuff :TU:
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punchoutsb wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:If your max attempts aren't in line with your reps, I honestly think it's a mental block rather than a muscular one.

When you bench heavy, its probably the scariest exercise of all. When you set a ceiling for yourself, it takes some extreme focus to bust through it.

Back before I hit 405 for the first time, I was regularly hitting 385 for 5-6 reps. But when I grabbed 405, it felt night and day heavy. It wasn't until one day I flipped my mental switch and finally blasted through it. You got the strength right now mate. Just gotta make yourself believe!!
This is something I wonder about. I'm wondering if my buddy racks 10 lbs over my max w/o me knowing and tells me it's just under my max, if I'd put it up.

A lot of people don't understand just how mental lifting can be.
Absolutely you could. I've used this on athletes before. I was once training a regional level crossfit athlete who wanted to get her bench up. Her long term goal was 150, but she'd never hit more than 135. I once got her busy talking and put 155 on the bar and told her it was 135. I told her it may feel a bit heavier since we hit chest two days earlier. She got two reps and was like "Wow, I must be getting weaker! That felt really hard." I told her she just put 20 pounds on her PR and she was ecstatic.

Two of the most fantastic studies on the minds effects are:

Ariel et. Al. (1972) “Anabolic Steroids: The Physiological Effects of Placebos,” Medicine and Science in Sports, vol. 4, 124–26.

Maganaris et. Al. (2000) “Expectancy effects and strength training: do steroids make a difference?” Sport psychologist, vol. 14, no. 3, 272-278.

I've referenced both when I was earning my masters.

In the first study, 15 lifters were put on a strength training plan and told the top six (in terms of strength gain) would then be given steroids to test their positive effects. The top guys gained an average of about 25 pounds over the three lifts tested (seated OHP, military press and bench). They were then given a placebo they believed to be steroids. They then gained about 100 pounds average over the three lifts. All in the mind.

In the second one they had 11 national level powerlifters take a sugar pill they thought was a new super fast acting steroid. All 11 lifters broke previous PR's by 4-5% on all three powerlifts. Two weeks later they told five that the pills were sugar pills, and all five dropped back to their previous maxes, not able to hit the new PR they'd managed two weeks earlier. The other six who still believed they were on a new drug set new PR's again.

You are already much stronger than you know...you just have to convince yourself!!

:TU:
Thanks punchout. That is extremely interesting stuff.
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punchoutsb wrote:
lillywhite14 wrote:I'm the worlds worst for talking myself out of a lift. I suppose it don't help that I often work out alone
It's harder when you lift alone for sure. That's when music helps :lol:

It's just amazing that we have so much more strength and power than we truly believe. Just believing that is a step in the right direction!

All joking aside, music is an excellent tool for powerlifts such as benching. Inspirational tunes just before the lift can give you a real surge of adrenalin and is ideal for a compound exercise that last a few seconds like a 4-6 rep bench.
Personally I can't be without my ipod for runs, weights and skipping. The only time I don't need music is sparring, bag work & tabata.
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Oh absolutely. I rarely try a max without some music going. I can lift in silence just fine, but when I absolutely NEED to get it done, I get some tunes going!
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Funny little update. I had planned on losing some fat in September and October and then beginning a slow bulk to get to 242 by March. I want to pick up a title in my third powerlifting weight class. I lost 22 pounds in September. Feel great except that strength is obviously down a bit. No worries....

Until I find out there is a strongman competition day after tomorrow in my area! I'm going to enter, though I've no idea how poorly I will do. I can use the experience as I prefer strongman to powerlifting to be honest. My increased cardio will help, but I'm at probably 75-80% full strength. Oh well, I love a challenge! Wish me luck.
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best of luck mate, let us know how you go!
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As I sit here typing this, the only body part that is not in excruciating pain is my finger tips :lol:

Very very tough competition, and one I was definitely not as prepared for as I should have been...

HOWEVER, I was very consistent in my results placing either second or third in every event. Sadly that first place result eluded me. I finished third overall and could not be happier given my lack of preparation and bodyweight.

High point of the day for me was knocking out 17 deadlifts of a Toyota Carolla...higher than a couple of the Heavyweights.

Definitely a lot of training to do though. The super yoke absolutely kicked my butt. 665 pounds but it may as well have been a million. I finished the course but had a terrible time. Only two other competitors in my class finished the course but both were faster than me by a good margin. I am actually building a yoke to practice with.

All in all a good day. And now a beautiful day of rest and recovery and a lot of comfort food!! :TU:
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Great job punchout!!! Scary to think how much of a beast you would have been had you been prepared.
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Only time there was a strongman competition within a couple our drive from me was about a dozen years ago. I had hoped to have entered. After all, the website stated that there was a lightweight division. So I gave them a call.

I asked if I could have information about entering the king weight competition. They told me that lightest I could be for lightweight was 170lbs. I told them I weighed 142. I didn't enter.

As for bench, Max was 305 when I weighed 146. That was a decade ago.

Since then, I have changed my workout routine a bit. I stopped lifting heavy. Last time I tested myself was a couple months ago where I tried to see how many reps I could get at my body weight. Got 29. Hope to get 30 next time.
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Hit 100kg for 18 reps last monday and a 135kg , planning a 140 kg soon , its mental block with me tho :(
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CiganoBoxer wrote:Hit 100kg for 18 reps last monday and a 135kg , planning a 140 kg soon , its mental block with me tho :(
Great job Cigano. Class stuff.

Sorry, been away a while all. Lots of stuff going on with my business but then was blindsided...

My dad collapse Thursday and we (my siblings and I) were told he had at best a 30% chance to live and that he would be gone by Sunday. He was taken to the best specialists in the area and as I type this I am sitting next to him and we are laughing together. The recovery has been beyond miraculous. But the journey is far from over. Tomorrow he is getting an internal defibrillator put in and then possibly a stent. Prayers would be appreciated. Such a long emotional weekend, but it looks like we are just about out of the water on this one. They expect it all to go well and for my dad to be out of the hospital by this weekend...quite a turnaround from thinking we were going to lose him just a few days ago.
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punchoutsb wrote:
CiganoBoxer wrote:Hit 100kg for 18 reps last monday and a 135kg , planning a 140 kg soon , its mental block with me tho :(
Great job Cigano. Class stuff.

Sorry, been away a while all. Lots of stuff going on with my business but then was blindsided...

My dad collapse Thursday and we (my siblings and I) were told he had at best a 30% chance to live and that he would be gone by Sunday. He was taken to the best specialists in the area and as I type this I am sitting next to him and we are laughing together. The recovery has been beyond miraculous. But the journey is far from over. Tomorrow he is getting an internal defibrillator put in and then possibly a stent. Prayers would be appreciated. Such a long emotional weekend, but it looks like we are just about out of the water on this one. They expect it all to go well and for my dad to be out of the hospital by this weekend...quite a turnaround from thinking we were going to lose him just a few days ago.
Sounds like your old man is a bit of beast himself to come back from such a prognosis! Hope it all goes well mate :TU:
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punchoutsb wrote:
CiganoBoxer wrote:Hit 100kg for 18 reps last monday and a 135kg , planning a 140 kg soon , its mental block with me tho :(
Great job Cigano. Class stuff.

Sorry, been away a while all. Lots of stuff going on with my business but then was blindsided...

My dad collapse Thursday and we (my siblings and I) were told he had at best a 30% chance to live and that he would be gone by Sunday. He was taken to the best specialists in the area and as I type this I am sitting next to him and we are laughing together. The recovery has been beyond miraculous. But the journey is far from over. Tomorrow he is getting an internal defibrillator put in and then possibly a stent. Prayers would be appreciated. Such a long emotional weekend, but it looks like we are just about out of the water on this one. They expect it all to go well and for my dad to be out of the hospital by this weekend...quite a turnaround from thinking we were going to lose him just a few days ago.
Thinking of u guys , fingers crossed an all :TU:
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lillywhite14 wrote: Sounds like your old man is a bit of beast himself to come back from such a prognosis! Hope it all goes well mate :TU:
CiganoBoxer wrote: Thinking of u guys , fingers crossed an all :TU:
Thanks guys. He started rehab yesterday. Already trying to double up on the activities they've given him. Hard work runs in the family :lol:

On a side note, hit 350 the other day for a pretty easy single. Considering everything I was pretty happy with it. Not sure I could hit 400 at the moment, but we're gonna go for a max maybe in a week or two.
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hit 130kg today for 5 reps and then a one rep max PB for 145kg , my strength as gone through the roof since i packed the road running in ., will get back running early next year now .
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CiganoBoxer wrote:hit 130kg today for 5 reps and then a one rep max PB for 145kg , my strength as gone through the roof since i packed the road running in ., will get back running early next year now .

Your PB is 20kg less than my training pal, but he can't rep the weights you can, nowhere close! He also said the same about running we do rowing for cardio the now.
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CiganoBoxer wrote:hit 130kg today for 5 reps and then a one rep max PB for 145kg , my strength as gone through the roof since i packed the road running in ., will get back running early next year now .
AWESOME JOB!!!!! :TU: :TU: :TU:
Tomasino wrote:
CiganoBoxer wrote:hit 130kg today for 5 reps and then a one rep max PB for 145kg , my strength as gone through the roof since i packed the road running in ., will get back running early next year now .

Your PB is 20kg less than my training pal, but he can't rep the weights you can, nowhere close! He also said the same about running we do rowing for cardio the now.
Running eats your strength away like a madman. Most guys going for strength favor rowing or steps. HIIT is the way to go to save muscle and strength if you're still wanting cardio.
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punchoutsb wrote:
CiganoBoxer wrote:hit 130kg today for 5 reps and then a one rep max PB for 145kg , my strength as gone through the roof since i packed the road running in ., will get back running early next year now .
AWESOME JOB!!!!! :TU: :TU: :TU:
Tomasino wrote:
CiganoBoxer wrote:hit 130kg today for 5 reps and then a one rep max PB for 145kg , my strength as gone through the roof since i packed the road running in ., will get back running early next year now .

Your PB is 20kg less than my training pal, but he can't rep the weights you can, nowhere close! He also said the same about running we do rowing for cardio the now.
Running eats your strength away like a madman. Most guys going for strength favor rowing or steps. HIIT is the way to go to save muscle and strength if you're still wanting cardio.

Yup I'm going up myself, 125kg one rep after 100kgx4 and a warm up, I'm 12 stone. I will start a separate thread about rowing as I have some questions.
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