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palooka wrote:

columbo wrote:

palooka wrote:I can't see your logic there pal; Joshua has been boxing about (or less than) 5 years's been a pro less than a year and had 4 bouts; it is unfair to compare any aspect of his game to a reigning world champion or a retired great. It'd be unfair to compare Luke Campbell to Gamboa or Danny Garcia - they have to develop and improve before a comparison is fair.

No that is true but you can compare their natural attributes.

It would be very difficult to judge what is 'natural' and what has been improved by specialised training, particularly with elite amateurs being on full time training regimes and professional sportspeople having very efficient methods of training available. No doubt Joshua was a very athletic specimen before he began to train regularly but it's a bit like the chicken and the egg.

I get the point you're making but Joshua to me looks a bit of a plodder. Wlad is an equally big guy but moves like he's lighter than he is. I think some of those things are just attributes you're blessed with to begin with or not.

palooka wrote:[quote="stevedoc"]i think some times we forget that lennox wasn't that brilliant at first , i see a couple of his early fights live and he wasn't amazing more just got the job done . and josh looks the same .as for big frank the guy had a brilliant jab and power and he did very well to be the heavy weight champion of the world beating the man who beat the man .
i think joshua will be the real deal ,obviously it's easy to say that about an olympic gold medalist but i think we will all enjoy the ride while it lasts

I saw Lennox at Sheffield beating Dan Murphy and he didn't look half as good as I imagined he'd be and he was about a tenth as good as he ended up being.[/quote]

i saw lennox vs jean chanet for the european belt and after i was a bit dissapointed i guess it was when manny steward took over that the real lennox came out . i see razor ruddock vs westgarth when ruddock was unknown but you could tell instantly that ruddock was special ,he was very impressive .

Watch Joshua in the worlds when he got silver. That's the best indicator of how he might get on when the going gets tough. He performed better in that competition than he did in the Olympics.

He gritted his teeth and got the job done against Cammarelle in what was his real breakout win then fought the local favourite to a standstill in the final. Didnt he only lose by a point? Threw everything and the kitchen sink.

I ain't got no worries about him when the going gets tough ( like I had with Price for example )

The PR machine of Matchroom and Sky are hyping up Joshua a level to where people will be expecting flawless displays.

After 6/7 fights Hearn is talking about him fighting for the British title and Tyson Fury/Dereck Chisora in a years time so forget all this novice talk they're treating him like an experienced pro and his performances are fair game for the critics.

I like the kid, think he seems a really nice, down to earth, grounded young man, he's got the looks, attitude & power to be a superstar. He's done everything asked of him so far & in style, he can't do no more than that.

I really hope he does well & think the public should be excited to have such a talented young heavyweight with all the natural attributes to do well & we should get behind him, but also be patient, he's still young & learning, but there is something niggling me, and that's I don't think he will hold a shot too well soon has a genuine heavyweight with some bad intentions gets in there with him, has history will show us, heavyweights usually over 6 ft 4" haven't got the best chins, and look like Bambi on ice soon has there properly tagged.

I think the iFL interview with Kugan speaks volumes, he really wasn't happy with his performance and it was genuine. I'm looking forward to seeing Joshua more this year.

The May/June opponent will be interesting, I see him stopping a lot of the other domestic names.

Boxingcutsman wrote:I like the kid, think he seems a really nice, down to earth, grounded young man, he's got the looks, attitude & power to be a superstar. He's done everything asked of him so far & in style, he can't do no more than that.

I really hope he does well & think the public should be excited to have such a talented young heavyweight with all the natural attributes to do well & we should get behind him, but also be patient, he's still young & learning, but there is something niggling me, and that's I don't think he will hold a shot too well soon has a genuine heavyweight with some bad intentions gets in there with him, has history will show us, heavyweights usually over 6 ft 4" haven't got the best chins, and look like Bambi on ice soon has there properly tagged.

He's already been tagged in the ams and looked solid, and there are many examples of bigger men with solid chins, Riddick Bowe, Valuev, Vitali, Tucker, Wach, Lennox, just off the top off my head.

Omerta wrote:Is it just me or does AJ look like he would fail a piss test????

What an odd/bizarre thing to say.

He is too stiff. He admits his footwork, head movement and defence needs work. Thats half the battle, knowing your weaknesses. He said he was going to try and get some solid sparring in. Thats also the right move.

He has to be given time to improve and will be. Whether he can improve those things considerably remains to be seen.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote:I like the kid, think he seems a really nice, down to earth, grounded young man, he's got the looks, attitude & power to be a superstar. He's done everything asked of him so far & in style, he can't do no more than that.

I really hope he does well & think the public should be excited to have such a talented young heavyweight with all the natural attributes to do well & we should get behind him, but also be patient, he's still young & learning, but there is something niggling me, and that's I don't think he will hold a shot too well soon has a genuine heavyweight with some bad intentions gets in there with him, has history will show us, heavyweights usually over 6 ft 4" haven't got the best chins, and look like Bambi on ice soon has there properly tagged.

He's already been tagged in the ams and looked solid, and there are many examples of bigger men with solid chins, Riddick Bowe, Valuev, Vitali, Tucker, Wach, Lennox, just off the top off my head.

Dillian Whyte put Anthony down with a head shot.

I'm going to lie down in a dark room.
Joshua called a plodder.
My fuckin giddy aunt.

too much muscle on the lad gonna be a poor mans bruno

london wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Boxingcutsman wrote:I like the kid, think he seems a really nice, down to earth, grounded young man, he's got the looks, attitude & power to be a superstar. He's done everything asked of him so far & in style, he can't do no more than that.

I really hope he does well & think the public should be excited to have such a talented young heavyweight with all the natural attributes to do well & we should get behind him, but also be patient, he's still young & learning, but there is something niggling me, and that's I don't think he will hold a shot too well soon has a genuine heavyweight with some bad intentions gets in there with him, has history will show us, heavyweights usually over 6 ft 4" haven't got the best chins, and look like Bambi on ice soon has there properly tagged.

He's already been tagged in the ams and looked solid, and there are many examples of bigger men with solid chins, Riddick Bowe, Valuev, Vitali, Tucker, Wach, Lennox, just off the top off my head.

Dillian Whyte put Anthony down with a head shot.

He shipped big shots against Cammarelle and Majidov amongst others and stood up.

Joshua was green as grass back against Whyte. Its a potential rematch to look forward to, what with the history etc

All top prospects seem to have a coat tail hanger or two who tags along at the start. Someone who 'beat them years ago in the amateurs etc'
It seems Whyte will be Joshua's.

He's already been tagged in the ams and looked solid, and there are many examples of bigger men with solid chins, Riddick Bowe, Valuev, Vitali, Tucker, Wach, Lennox, just off the top off my head.[/quote]


Dillian Whyte put Anthony down with a head shot.[/quote]

He shipped big shots against Cammarelle and Majidov amongst others and stood up.

Joshua was green as grass back against Whyte. Its a potential rematch to look forward to, what with the history etc

All top prospects seem to have a coat tail hanger or two who tags along at the start. Someone who
'beat them years ago in the amateurs etc'
It seems Whyte will be



Personally i think Whyte is leagues above Joshua and in the rematch will demonstrate that.

It was Whytes first Amateur fight and he knocked him down and completely owned Joshua not a close win.

Wladamir Klitschkos co coach James Ali Bashir has repeatdly said Whyte will be a future World Champion- no coat tails needed.

littlepug wrote:too much muscle on the lad gonna be a poor mans bruno

I see your point, but it's too early to say for sure though.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Sky have to get their money back someway and bigging up these Olympic pro novices is their way of doing it.

Parson Cross wrote:I'm going to lie down in a dark room.
Joshua called a plodder.
My fuckin giddy aunt.

They clearly never saw a fat Gary Mason go at it Parson

SNG wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Makes me laugh how much of a critic everyone is. Wasn't so long back people were adamant he should stay pro.

If he fights anyone half decent before ten fights then he's either rushed or they're washed up bums (speculation so far).

If he keeps winning with ease he's fighting pushovers.

If he bombs them out they've been paid to fall over or the ref is in on it.

If he turns up in good nick he's hitting the weights too hard, or put too much bulk on.

...lasts longer than three rounds with a perceived pushover and his careers over and he was never any good to begin with.

He should be having at least 15/16 fights before he starts stepping up his competition. I never understand the reason to rush fighters, look at Price as a prime example. Should have been nowhere near a guy like Tony Thompson at 15/0.

That was my thoughts exactly on Price taking on Tony Thompson when the first fight was announce. At 15-0 David Price was one fight away from getting his Lonsdale outright before stepping up to the European title, winning that making two or three defences of that and he could have been easily 19-0 if Frank Maloney went down that route. But instead he put the house on Price beating a supposedly ageing and shop worn Thompson and the gamble backfired.

I like Whyte. Seems a really nice chap too whenever I have heard him interviewed.

Saying it was his first amateur fight doesn't paint the whole story though does it? Plenty of fight experience given his kick boxing and MMA before he turned to boxing only.
Think I remember reading it was only Joshua's 3rd fight too! Safe to say he may have come on a little bit since then

Boxing is littered with stories of prospect/top fighter having lost to a fighter back in the ams, only for the result to be emphatically reversed in the pro game.
I suspect this will be the same too if they ever meet.

He needs to keep away from the supplements!

lillywhite14 wrote:I like Whyte. Seems a really nice chap too whenever I have heard him interviewed.

Saying it was his first amateur fight doesn't paint the whole story though does it? Plenty of fight experience given his kick boxing and MMA before he turned to boxing only.
Think I remember reading it was only Joshua's 3rd fight too! Safe to say he may have come on a little bit since then

Boxing is littered with stories of prospect/top fighter having lost to a fighter back in the ams, only for the result to be emphatically reversed in the pro game.
I suspect this will be the same too if they ever meet.

He needs to keep away from the supplements!

Points is Joshua has been previously humiliated by another unbeaten British prospect.

I agree Whyte should be more careful with over the counter supplements especially ones that's not banned outside competition but on the plus side at least he's not a convicted drug dealer like Anthony Joshua.

Will Joshua be able to fight in the States?

Being beaten by another boxer isn't a humiliation; a loss isn't the end of the world. All boxers lose and many are better for the experience; to lose in an amateur contest ought to be no massive deal.

london wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:I like Whyte. Seems a really nice chap too whenever I have heard him interviewed.

Saying it was his first amateur fight doesn't paint the whole story though does it? Plenty of fight experience given his kick boxing and MMA before he turned to boxing only.
Think I remember reading it was only Joshua's 3rd fight too! Safe to say he may have come on a little bit since then

Boxing is littered with stories of prospect/top fighter having lost to a fighter back in the ams, only for the result to be emphatically reversed in the pro game.
I suspect this will be the same too if they ever meet.

He needs to keep away from the supplements!

Points is Joshua has been previously humiliated by another unbeaten British prospect.

I agree Whyte should be more careful with over the counter supplements especially ones that's not banned outside competition but on the plus side at least he's not a convicted drug dealer like Anthony Joshua.

Will Joshua be able to fight in the States?

Ah ok, I get it now...

Crack on fella.

littlepug wrote:too much muscle on the lad gonna be a poor mans bruno

A little harsh i think that .
He is looking more tighter/stiffer/bigger every time i watch him tho

lillywhite14 wrote:

london wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:I like Whyte. Seems a really nice chap too whenever I have heard him interviewed.

Saying it was his first amateur fight doesn't paint the whole story though does it? Plenty of fight experience given his kick boxing and MMA before he turned to boxing only.
Think I remember reading it was only Joshua's 3rd fight too! Safe to say he may have come on a little bit since then

Boxing is littered with stories of prospect/top fighter having lost to a fighter back in the ams, only for the result to be emphatically reversed in the pro game.
I suspect this will be the same too if they ever meet.

He needs to keep away from the supplements!

Points is Joshua has been previously humiliated by another unbeaten British prospect.

I agree Whyte should be more careful with over the counter supplements especially ones that's not banned outside competition but on the plus side at least he's not a convicted drug dealer like Anthony Joshua.

Will Joshua be able to fight in the States?

Ah ok, I get it now...

Crack on fella.

Was it Crack?

Whatever he's done in the past he's tried to alter his ways and put it behind him; I imagine if he had his time again he'd not choose to do what he did. He's worked hard and I don't think it'd be all that easy to do. He isn't a Bishop or a Preacher he's a boxer; it's good that people can see that a life of sport and discipline can change someones life for the better.