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big lennox wrote:

danamba7 wrote:

big lennox wrote:I agree with both these points. Dirrell, who I wanted to lose, won that fight and Ward was pushing Froch around from the outset, and hitting him with a lot of left hooks.

True but i also don't think Ward ever really hurt Froch. He was a massively clear winner but even in that fight Froch improved towards the latter rounds. He's got unreal stamina. I remember the build up to Kessler 2 saying he's kept a book of timed runs and weights etc ever since he started boxing and at 35 (at the time) he was breaking all his records. He's a freak.

Ward had a damaged right hand. I think he would stop Froch next time. There won't be a next time, because Froch has showed no real interest in getting back in the ring with him. Wise move.

G0mez wrote:Ward vs anyone has little appeal to boxing fans. He is just bad entertainment. Winning and entertaining do not always go hand in hand.

I'd rather watch a giant Elmo fight someone.

G0mez wrote:Good points all.

With regards the ref, my fear is someone is going to get their head unscrewed in the rematch.

I hope both corners have their towels ready, because let's be honest, it will unlikely be the referee stopping anything this time.

Without changing the subject, I fear the rematch will be ruined by god awful-presenters & commentators, inc Haling and Watt.

Haye was actually a great studio pundit I felt.

forcefraser wrote:I see a different Froch in this fight. He will be in the shape of his life and will put on a Bute style destruction of Groves.

He was not expecting what came last time, but now he knows and more importantly McCracken knows and will plan accordingly.

People are saying that Froch does not possess the one punch power to trouble Groves and I can see this to some extent, but he is heavy handed and when he starts landing those shots he will have more than enough to force a stoppage.

War Frochy.

big lennox wrote:

Finn wrote:

big lennox wrote:Groves is too fast of hand and foot. Dirrel, Ward and Taylor all gave Froch fits, but none of them are big punchers. Groves is, and guess what, he badly hurt Froch last time.

I think Froch is delusional enough to forget that and will be all pumped up and then shocked when he starts getting the crap kicked out of him again. Groves is all wrong for him.

People talk about Froch's come from behind win against Taylor, but people forget that Pavlik had already taken care of Taylor in 7 rounds and then again in the rematch.

I think you are forgetting froch got the stoppage, and regardless of the early call the vast majority on this site thought groves was finished anyway.

If you read the posts from the night of the fight, there was outrage that it had been stopped. Also, if you watch the 9th round, it was a burst from Froch, which he might not have been able to sustain and Groves was firing back and looked pretty switched on to me when arguing with the ref about the stoppage.

I think Froch is going to prepare diligently, as he always does, will be spurred on by his home crowd like he was against Bute and go out with real intent and then get his clock cleaned, good and proper.

SamWise72 wrote:I've nailed my colours elsewhere, but I'll do it here as well. Groves comes in with a monkey on his back, trying to refind his confidence after being blasted all over the ring in the last round. He knew he was on his way to being stopped, he'd never been hit so hard before, and now he's scared of everything; scared of overdoing it and gassing, scared of getting caught big, scared that his career is gonna get ended. He's more cautious and safety first as a result, takes the early rounds boxing cautiously, but without really causing Froch any trouble. Froch, not hampered by recovering from a knockdown or from Groves making free with the right hand, takes over sooner, he's clearly grinding Groves down from around the 5th onward, and finishes Groves around the same time he did last time, but more clearly. Froch has one more big fight and retires, Groves struggles to rebuild his career after back to back stoppages.

misterpunch wrote:lets look at the psychology of this fight; last time out george groves DID get under the skin of carl froch. wont happen this time. froch didn't know what to expect in the first fight. he'll have a better idea of it this time. tactically McCracken and froch will be sussed to what groves might bring. froch almost certainly cant be worse than last time and I'm pretty sure groves wont be better than he was in that fight. groves lost the first one after he had froch down and badly hurt. that's got to be rattling around in GG's psyche. just a historical thought; it is not often that rematches swing the other way. this all points to carl froch winning easier than in the first bout.

polecateddy wrote:I think it depends how ingrained any stamina issues are for Groves. If he can manage to correctly pace himself I think he can win by 115-112 at least.