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Boxingcutsman wrote:These forums are full of top accountants, legal advisers & fans that seem to know more than us involved in the sport with people's purses, business side, offers, ticket sales, events etc.

I think its amazing, your all wasted talents sitting on these forums

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

expe wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote: If you want to believe that every British welterweight turned down a spot on the Newcastle undercard fair enough. Do you think that Witter was offered as much as Khan and Brook because Frankie won't tell us.

Why would he fight Junior Witter again? He beat him comfortably last time round, Witter's never been in a good fight and the first was a bit of a stinker. No reason to go over old ground against a 40 year old who's lost his only fight since. If you look down the list of fighters available, Frankie's already beaten Witter, Vassell and Barnes, Foot's injured, Watson hasn't fought for a year, Purdy's in Prizefighter, Theophane's fighting in the US now, O'Donnell has fought 4 times in the 3 years since he lost to Watson, the last of those a 4 rounder in July, Skeete doesn't want it, Lynes was beaten by Skeete and Witter, Gaynor turned it down, Patterson's fighting against a lad who's had 4 fights for a masters strap tomorrow, Singleton's heading down the international route it seems, must be desperate to protect that 0, especially after Curtis should have taken it and Miles is a waste of time, that doesn't really leave many options.

How much do you think that Khan and Brook were offered for the slot on the Newcastle undercard?

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

expe wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote: If you want to believe that every British welterweight turned down a spot on the Newcastle undercard fair enough. Do you think that Witter was offered as much as Khan and Brook because Frankie won't tell us.

Why would he fight Junior Witter again? He beat him comfortably last time round, Witter's never been in a good fight and the first was a bit of a stinker. No reason to go over old ground against a 40 year old who's lost his only fight since. If you look down the list of fighters available, Frankie's already beaten Witter, Vassell and Barnes, Foot's injured, Watson hasn't fought for a year, Purdy's in Prizefighter, Theophane's fighting in the US now, O'Donnell has fought 4 times in the 3 years since he lost to Watson, the last of those a 4 rounder in July, Skeete doesn't want it, Lynes was beaten by Skeete and Witter, Gaynor turned it down, Patterson's fighting against a lad who's had 4 fights for a masters strap tomorrow, Singleton's heading down the international route it seems, must be desperate to protect that 0, especially after Curtis should have taken it and Miles is a waste of time, that doesn't really leave many options.

To say that Witter has never been in a good fight is untrue.
Witter fought poorly against Gavin but would jump at the chance of another title shot. To suggest that no British fighter would accept the fight is simply untrue. Witter is ranked 78 places above Shikukutu on boxrec.

mickey1975 wrote:I'm one of Frankie's biggest fans on here and have travelled to see him a few times. Mullenman hasn't got a clue about boxing if he thinks personally selling those numbers is bad. And I do mean clueless... I agree it's not a great fight, but marks time with the added bonus of him having a high world ranking. If the big fight doesn't happen in the summer, I would be looking at other options if I was him.

JimJim2009 wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I'm one of Frankie's biggest fans on here and have travelled to see him a few times. Mullenman hasn't got a clue about boxing if he thinks personally selling those numbers is bad. And I do mean clueless... I agree it's not a great fight, but marks time with the added bonus of him having a high world ranking. If the big fight doesn't happen in the summer, I would be looking at other options if I was him.

He just re-signed with his promoter so I don't think jumping ship will be on the cards.

Its frustrating to see a British fighter with so much potential going to waste, and not being developed properly. He's always on somebody else's undercard up and down the country, fighting late change opponents who drag Frankie down to their level. This is indeed a marking time fight, I think the time for marking time is when you're ready to fight for the big titles but the opportunity isn't right there, at this point in his career Frankie should be being tested and being challenged in the ring to bring on his development and experience.

JimJim2009 wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I'm one of Frankie's biggest fans on here and have travelled to see him a few times. Mullenman hasn't got a clue about boxing if he thinks personally selling those numbers is bad. And I do mean clueless... I agree it's not a great fight, but marks time with the added bonus of him having a high world ranking. If the big fight doesn't happen in the summer, I would be looking at other options if I was him.

He just re-signed with his promoter so I don't think jumping ship will be on the cards.

Its frustrating to see a British fighter with so much potential going to waste, and not being developed properly. He's always on somebody else's undercard up and down the country, fighting late change opponents who drag Frankie down to their level. This is indeed a marking time fight, I think the time for marking time is when you're ready to fight for the big titles but the opportunity isn't right there, at this point in his career Frankie should be being tested and being challenged in the ring to bring on his development and experience.

expe wrote: Nowhere near as much as they would make by fighting each other.

JimJim2009 wrote:Frank messed about a bit himself a couple of years ago so has had to win back the trust of his promoter.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:Maybe if Kell had stayed amateur, took thousands of pounds of lottery money and then not gone to the Olympics, he'd get less stick on here.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:Maybe if Kell had stayed amateur, took thousands of pounds of lottery money and then not gone to the Olympics, he'd get less stick on here.

mickey1975 wrote:I'm one of Frankie's biggest fans on here and have travelled to see him a few times. Mullenman hasn't got a clue about boxing if he thinks personally selling those numbers is bad. And I do mean clueless... I agree it's not a great fight, but marks time with the added bonus of him having a high world ranking. If the big fight doesn't happen in the summer, I would be looking at other options if I was him.

mullenman wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I'm one of Frankie's biggest fans on here and have travelled to see him a few times. Mullenman hasn't got a clue about boxing if he thinks personally selling those numbers is bad. And I do mean clueless... I agree it's not a great fight, but marks time with the added bonus of him having a high world ranking. If the big fight doesn't happen in the summer, I would be looking at other options if I was him.

mickey muppet

the big fights have not happened and are not going to if a boxer does not sell tickets
Kell and Amir are massive names and where are they going to get the money to bring over somebody like Jab.

Frankie should be a big name with his talent and is an undercard fighter

mickey1975 wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:Maybe if Kell had stayed amateur, took thousands of pounds of lottery money and then not gone to the Olympics, he'd get less stick on here.

Probably. If he'd have won our first amateur world title he'd have been cut more slack, too.

Counter-puncher wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:Maybe if Kell had stayed amateur, took thousands of pounds of lottery money and then not gone to the Olympics, he'd get less stick on here.

Probably. If he'd have won our first amateur world title he'd have been cut more slack, too.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

mickey1975 wrote: Probably. If he'd have won our first amateur world title he'd have been cut more slack, too.

Audley won an Olympic gold. Remind me which fighters frankie beat to win that title and how many of them even turned pro.

mullenman wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I'm one of Frankie's biggest fans on here and have travelled to see him a few times. Mullenman hasn't got a clue about boxing if he thinks personally selling those numbers is bad. And I do mean clueless... I agree it's not a great fight, but marks time with the added bonus of him having a high world ranking. If the big fight doesn't happen in the summer, I would be looking at other options if I was him.

mickey muppet

the big fights have not happened and are not going to if a boxer does not sell tickets
Kell and Amir are massive names and where are they going to get the money to bring over somebody like Jab.

Frankie should be a big name with his talent and is an undercard fighter

mullenman wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I'm one of Frankie's biggest fans on here and have travelled to see him a few times. Mullenman hasn't got a clue about boxing if he thinks personally selling those numbers is bad. And I do mean clueless... I agree it's not a great fight, but marks time with the added bonus of him having a high world ranking. If the big fight doesn't happen in the summer, I would be looking at other options if I was him.

mickey muppet

the big fights have not happened and are not going to if a boxer does not sell tickets
Kell and Amir are massive names and where are they going to get the money to bring over somebody like Jab.

Frankie should be a big name with his talent and is an undercard fighter