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I wait until he was on his way to the ring...

Rainford massive wrote:If haye announced he was fighting in London in 4 months (example),would you buy a ticket ?

I probably would,

To be honest with the buzz it would create even if it then went on to be s hit opponent I'd shift the tickets at atleast a slight profit.

Defo a big no was so looking forward to the fury shit and let us down big style

tear up wrote:Defo a big no was so looking forward to the fury poo and let us down big style

oh yeah never thought about it being cancelled, no chance

mickey1975 wrote:

cold187 wrote:As much as he pi55ed me off with his cancelled fights, its shame he wasn't more active fighting at least twice a year. He would kick the F out of any active boxer except Wladimir

It's a shame he's petrified of the big traveling mush.

Haye scared of fighting Fury? Don't be daft man. I'm a Fury fan and even I know he's one of the most vulnerable heavyweights on the planet. His defence is shaky, his movement is ropey and don't even get me started on his chin. Haye fought Wlad, Mormeck and Valuev on enemy soil. Why the fvck would he be 'petrified' of fighting a guy that's been rocked more time's than my granddaughter's cot? Hell, I'd fight Fury for 5 million.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

cold187 wrote:As much as he pi55ed me off with his cancelled fights, its shame he wasn't more active fighting at least twice a year. He would kick the F out of any active boxer except Wladimir

It's a shame he's petrified of the big traveling mush.

Haye scared of fighting Fury? Don't be daft man. I'm a Fury fan and even I know he's one of the most vulnerable heavyweights on the planet. His defence is shaky, his movement is ropey and don't even get me started on his chin. Haye fought Wlad, Mormeck and Valuev on enemy soil. Why the fvck would he be 'petrified' of fighting a guy that's been rocked more time's than my granddaughter's cot? Hell, I'd fight Fury for 5 million.

The only people who think he was scared of Fury are the fury camp, people who only followed his heavy weight career, and die hard fury fans.

I've seen every fight Haye has ever had, several live. I'm not anything to do with Luke...,

mickey1975 wrote:I've seen every fight Haye has ever had, several live. I'm not anything to do with Luke...,

If you arent a traveller i would book yourself in with a head doctor

Finn wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I've seen every fight Haye has ever had, several live. I'm not anything to do with Luke...,

If you arent a traveller i would book yourself in with a head doctor

Why?

I do think there is something more to the whole business of why Haye more or less backed out of the Fury fight, than just simple bad luck and bad health. Fury is extremely dangerous when he is motivated. And for Haye, it was the fight that he seemed to want most. Most guys in boxing, are either stylists or they are sluggers, but seldom ever are they both. Fury can do both pretty well.

When you got a man just 3" short of seven feet in height, and in civilian life weighing in at 275-280 pounds, and trimming down to 245 then its something to fear. A man as tall or heavy as Fury shouldn't be as light in the feet, or as content to switch from orthodox to southpaw, and one minute be boxing marvelously at range, and the next minute be in the middle of a dog fight.

For all Haye's speed and skills, and power, he never impressed me much at all when the competition was not just tall and heavy, but capable boxers. Personally, I felt the Valuev fight wasn't all that competitive and I would argue Holyfield 'beat' the Russian giant more impressively than Haye did. And against Vladimir, he made next to no effort in the ring. Now, cut the men down to size, and Haye looks brilliant.

And, while Fury may be 'chinny', its a well known fact in boxing that a puncher who is hurt, is more dangerous than when he isnt. Fury, whenever he ever hit canvas, came back twice as hard. Its a rare thing to see in the modern heavyweight division, of a man getting hurt, getting dropped and coming back to win. Haye proved he could against Barrett. But then again, he could see eye to eye with him.

HomicideHenry wrote:I do think there is something more to the whole business of why Haye more or less backed out of the Fury fight, than just simple bad luck and bad health. Fury is extremely dangerous when he is motivated. And for Haye, it was the fight that he seemed to want most. Most guys in boxing, are either stylists or they are sluggers, but seldom ever are they both. Fury can do both pretty well.

When you got a man just 3" short of seven feet in height, and in civilian life weighing in at 275-280 pounds, and trimming down to 245 then its something to fear. A man as tall or heavy as Fury shouldn't be as light in the feet, or as content to switch from orthodox to southpaw, and one minute be boxing marvelously at range, and the next minute be in the middle of a dog fight.

For all Haye's speed and skills, and power, he never impressed me much at all when the competition was not just tall and heavy, but capable boxers. Personally, I felt the Valuev fight wasn't all that competitive and I would argue Holyfield 'beat' the Russian giant more impressively than Haye did. And against Vladimir, he made next to no effort in the ring. Now, cut the men down to size, and Haye looks brilliant.

And, while Fury may be 'chinny', its a well known fact in boxing that a puncher who is hurt, is more dangerous than when he isnt. Fury, whenever he ever hit canvas, came back twice as hard. Its a rare thing to see in the modern heavyweight division, of a man getting hurt, getting dropped and coming back to win. Haye proved he could against Barrett. But then again, he could see eye to eye with him.

My issue with the whole Haye ducked fury debate is that Fury has shown absolutely nothing in the ring that gives any credence to the idea that he could beat a heavy weight of Haye's caliber.

Make no mistake about it i really like Fury he's a great entertainer and his fights are exciting he is great for boxing, but regardless of what he says he did not put on a masterclass against chisora; there were plenty of incidents in their fight when he looked buzzed, Haye destroyed a better and in shape chisora. Fury has got up from the canvas and brought the pain on numerous occasions, but those occasions were against very inferior opposition and Steve cunningham who doesnt have particularly good power and lets face it isnt going to win a world title at HW. He struggled and arguably lost against McDermott in the first fight (albeit him still being fairly green) he still took 9 rounds to get rid of him in the second fight.

Beating guys like Rogan left handed doesnt make you elite, Audley Harrison beat Rogan easily shortly after.

He doesnt box as well as haye, he doesnt have anywhere in the same league of power as haye, he doesnt have hayes movement, and he's a hell of a lot easier to hit.

Everyone looks dangerous when they are fighting guys levels below them and Kevin "doesnt throw a punch" Johnson.

I'll happily revisit this debate if he schools chisora in the rematch (since chisora has been fighting at a decent level), i which case the "they got wind of fury being amazing in sparring and bottled it" theory may then have at least a glimmer of reality to it. Other than that there is absolutely nothing in the form of evidence or example that Haye suddenly realised he couldnt take a guy who's not even proved himself above european level yet.

Why?, Finn?

Fair enough Finn. If Fury is able to defeat Chisora in a more convincing fashion than he did in their first encounter, then we will readdress the whole issue. I'm of the opinion, though, because of all the inactivity Fury will be more likely to turn this one into a dog fight than the first contest. He will look rusty and maybe a bit sloppy in there, but I believe he will get the job done. Then again--- he has been working alot with Eddie Chambers, and who knows, maybe all the inactivity is a non-factor as Fury insists he has been in the gym sparring countless rounds since the whole Haye debacle started.

mickey1975 wrote:Why?, Finn?

Well i've explained that in my post above.

HomicideHenry wrote:Fair enough Finn. If Fury is able to defeat Chisora in a more convincing fashion than he did in their first encounter, then we will readdress the whole issue. I'm of the opinion, though, because of all the inactivity Fury will be more likely to turn this one into a dog fight than the first contest. He will look rusty and maybe a bit sloppy in there, but I believe he will get the job done. Then again--- he has been working alot with Eddie Chambers, and who knows, maybe all the inactivity is a non-factor as Fury insists he has been in the gym sparring countless rounds since the whole Haye debacle started.

It needs to be a convincing performance, and if he does that then he will have proved he is a dangerous opponent. If he narrowly scrapes through my opinion is going to be unchanged. Unless he turns up fat and still wins in which case i'll happily agree that he would not have been in the same shape as he would have been against Haye but will be unimpressed. Ring rust isnt going to be a good enough excuse to struggle in this fight, Haye had been out of the ring a full year before the inhalation of chisora.

...if you compare Hayes 3 best wins at HW to Fury's...is there much difference?

Boxing Prospect wrote:...if you compare Hayes 3 best wins at HW to Fury's...is there much difference?

Well, Haye's are better, for starters.

Finn wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Why?, Finn?

Well i've explained that in my post above.

None of that makes me mentally Ill, or a traveller?

There is absolutely no way on the planet that Haye avoided Fury. He didnt even need to take the Fury fight if he was in any way concerned at beating him. There where several directions he could go in, but Fury was the money fight at the time. I dont think Fury is a menacing prospect for any top heavyweight. He is good and I enjoy watching him fight as always entertaining, but he doesnt carry amazing power, and I would think most top 10 heavyweights and even cruiser weights would jump at the chance to fight him for big money. Haye would have been licking his lips for a chance to throw those big looping shots at Fury.

If Barkers injury had occurred during training people would now be saying he ducked Sturm and was frightened of going t Germany.

If I where a ranked heavyweight I would rather box him than say someone like Deontay wilder who can really hurt you.

Sportsmen get injured. It is the nature of the job. It isnt a conspiracy. I am not a Haye fan but if anyone here has ever broken a toe or a torn a shoulder muscle you will know how debilitating this can be.

My concern with Haye is that is he is injury prone and this goes back to his amateur days is that now he is older and with layoffs his body will break down as training gets harder.

mickey1975 wrote:

Finn wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Why?, Finn?

Well i've explained that in my post above.

None of that makes me mentally Ill, or a traveller?

Are you sure?

mickey1975 wrote:

Finn wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Why?, Finn?

Well i've explained that in my post above.

None of that makes me mentally Ill, or a traveller?

I always thought you were a traveller mate.

I'm not.

mickey1975 wrote:I'm not.

You have lots of mates who are?

keithmoonhangover wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I'm not.

You have lots of mates who are?

Yes.

Been burned twice by Haye pull outs once in Germany when he was meant to box Vitali had hotel n flights booked the lot. Then v Fury last year. He can go fornicate himself!