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Whatever, you already have your mind made up. I've been fighting people like you who keep defending this traditional view of history. However, that American textbook history is about as fake as it comes. Hopefully one day you will understand that.[/quote]

Why do you bother fighting about something that happenned a couple of hundred years ago ,, Are you fighting , because you think people are wrong , or is it because you feel your correct, and therefore everyone should listen , whats next we only buy red cars cos you feel there the best ,

Facts are facts , there was slavery , africans were slaves ,, but the europeans did'nt go running round the jungles catching slaves , They bought them of other africans ,

Now has bad has it was , prior to that did'nt the Vikings take slaves , the romans took slaves , the egyptions took slaves , Ghengis Khan took slaves , does that mean the english should constantly be pushing it down the Scandinavians throat , what there forefathers done , should we all hate Italians , because the Romans had slaves , ,, and don't even get me started on them Egyptians , you think the cooton fielsds was hard work , Try hauling big peices of rock across the desert , while being underfed , and whipped by a soilder , just to build some poxy pyramid .

We could all blame each other and fight with each other , or we could just be glad that we live in a world where for a large part its been stamped out ,, Stamped out mainly by them terrible Europeans .

coneye wrote:Facts are facts , there was slavery , africans were slaves ,, but the europeans did'nt go running round the jungles catching slaves , They bought them of other africans

I can always tell how mfing stupid a person is by how they mention certain things like they matter. "Well black people gave Americans black people so its cool...right...right?" Is this the argument? Slavery is okay or @ least less bad if the people you made slaves were given to you by the same race person. One would think the slavery part is the relevant thing not if you acquired humans via legit purchase, stole them &/or got a head nod of the same race person as the person you're taking as a slave.

Reggie , Reggie, Reggie , Get of your facking high horse , NO ONE said slavery , owning people , buying people , whatever you want to call it ,, NO ONE said its ok ,, What i am saying is IT HAPPENNED Get over it .

I'm sick to death of hearing about how us Europeans , (whites ) are the facking scourge of the world because we sold Slaves to Americans , SO FACKING WHAT , it was 200 years ago ,, I will point out however that it was'nt just Europeans who held , slaves , sold slaves , The facking Romans , Ghengis Khan , the Scandinavians , the Egyptions , and AFRICAN TRIBES all had slaves , sold slaves , and treated slaves badly .

Why is it only one demograph of people , WHITES that are continually singled out , usually by blacks , and blamed for it ,

Has far has i know , it was EUROPEANS , (whites ) who put a stop to slavery , so how about thanking them , . I did'nt here of any tribes in Africa that went out and stopped it ,

Other than that , if you don't want to thank Europeans and white Americans for stopping slavery in America , and most of Africa , Just shut the fack up , and keep quiet , why harp on about 200 years ago . .

Don't here the English putting on the Danish but the vikings , kept english slaves , . . Fack i would'nt know OR CARE if any of my ancestors were gang presseed and forced into slavery in 1786 or facking 1887 , and it was happenning guys went to the pub and woke up on ships with fractured skulls , and made to work on them .

I can always tell how facking stupid a person is by the way they blame what happenned 200 years ago for there plight now .

coneye wrote:Whatever, you already have your mind made up. I've been fighting people like you who keep defending this traditional view of history. However, that American textbook history is about as fake as it comes. Hopefully one day you will understand that.

Why do you bother fighting about something that happenned a couple of hundred years ago ,, Are you fighting , because you think people are wrong , or is it because you feel your correct, and therefore everyone should listen , whats next we only buy red cars cos you feel there the best ,[/quote]
Quite different ... I guess you think it's okay for a nation of people to have a completely false sense of self. Because it's not dangerous when a people's mentality has been molded to think that their actions and desires are more important than everyone else's on the planet.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Quite different ... I guess you think it's okay for a nation of people to have a completely false sense of self. Because it's not dangerous when a people's mentality has been molded to think that their actions and desires are more important than everyone else's on the planet.

So are you a champion of pointing out the historical brutality of other races and nations or only white Europeans? Because historical brutality is a human thing, not a white thing.

Better get busy telling every person in the world that they suck because of what their ancestors did hundreds or thousands of years ago!

coneye wrote:Reggie , Reggie, Reggie , Get of your facking high horse , NO ONE said slavery , owning people , buying people , whatever you want to call it ,, NO ONE said its ok ,, What i am saying is IT HAPPENNED Get over it .

I'm sick to death of hearing about how us Europeans , (whites ) are the facking scourge of the world because we sold Slaves to Americans , SO FACKING WHAT , it was 200 years ago ,, I will point out however that it was'nt just Europeans who held , slaves , sold slaves , The facking Romans , Ghengis Khan , the Scandinavians , the Egyptions , and AFRICAN TRIBES all had slaves , sold slaves , and treated slaves badly .

Why is it only one demograph of people , WHITES that are continually singled out , usually by blacks , and blamed for it ,

Has far has i know , it was EUROPEANS , (whites ) who put a stop to slavery , so how about thanking them , . I did'nt here of any tribes in Africa that went out and stopped it ,

Other than that , if you don't want to thank Europeans and white Americans for stopping slavery in America , and most of Africa , Just shut the fack up , and keep quiet , why harp on about 200 years ago . .

Don't here the English putting on the Danish but the vikings , kept english slaves , . . Fack i would'nt know OR CARE if any of my ancestors were gang presseed and forced into slavery in 1786 or facking 1887 , and it was happenning guys went to the pub and woke up on ships with fractured skulls , and made to work on them .

I can always tell how facking stupid a person is by the way they blame what happenned 200 years ago for there plight now .

did you even attempt to read my post?

You wrote:Facts are facts , there was slavery , africans were slaves ,, but the europeans did'nt go running round the jungles catching slaves , They bought them of other africans

So I wrote:I can always tell how mfing stupid a person is by how they mention certain things like they matter. "Well black people gave Americans black people so its cool...right...right?" Is this the argument? Slavery is okay or @ least less bad if the people you made slaves were given to you by the same race person. One would think the slavery part is the relevant thing not if you acquired humans via legit purchase, stole them &/or got a head nod of the same race person as the person you're taking as a slave.

I'm dogging you on your thoughts about this & specifically that somehow you believe how you got human slaves matters. You don't know my thoughts here outside of what I specifically just brought up you just know I think you're mfing stupid for how you are speaking about this sh!t so don't act like this is a debate about anything other than you being mfing stupid.

if the usa is so racist and bad, then don't come here.
treating people badly at the airports doesn't seem to be working if that is what
we are trying to do, because they won't stop coming. like 90% of the planet
is trying to come here every day and all i ever hear is how horrible a country
this is. why doesn't khan go to mecca where there is a death penalty for any non-sunni
for entering and women can't drive and are forced to walk around in burkhas in
120 degree heat and can't go out alone, etc? when you think about it, every practicing
muslim in the world faces that place twice a day when they pray and it's so medievil.
is there an equivalent in any other religion? i don't get the equivalency made between
islam and any other religion on the planet. as horrible and racist as all us infidels are here,
we really need lectures on how to live from cannibalstic totalitarian regimes?


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/01/p ... ing-islam/

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/danielpycock/ ... of-the-uk/
"In the traditional arenas of belief, things are rather easy to predict:

- 0% of British Muslims found homosexuality acceptable.
- 3% found relations outside of marriage morally justifiable.
- 40% of this poll found Muslims wanting Sharia law in the UK.
- 75% of young muslims want women to wear the veil (or at least hijab) compared to 19% of adult population.

As I’ve stated though, there are rather more concerning patterns emerging:

1) The extremist views of young Muslims in particular (aged 16-24)

These results are from a poll of Muslim students:

– 33% claim that killing is justified if done to protect religion.
– 40 percent support the introduction of sharia for British Muslims.
– 33 percent support a worldwide Islamic caliphate based on sharia.

These results are from Muslims polled (16 – 24) for Policy Exchange:
-37 percent of young British Muslims want Sharia law in Britain.
-36 percent of young British Muslims think apostates should be killed.
-13 percent of young British Muslims said they “admired” Al Qaeda.

2) Support or Sympathy with Terrorism & 3) Conspiracy Theories

-According to a 2006 Pew Survey, only 17% of British Muslims believe that Arabs carried out the September 11th attacks.

-According to an NOP survey, 2007:
-24 percent of British Muslims deny that the four British Muslim suicide bombers carried out the 7/7 attacks.
-24 percent of British Muslims believe the British government carried out the 7/7 attacks.

-According to Channel 4 Polls in August 2006, reported in both the Scotsman and the Financial Times:
-24 per cent agreed or tended to agree that the 7/7 bombings were justified.
-45 per cent think 9/11 was carried out by the US or Israel.

-16 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Israel.
-7 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Britain.

4)The denial of Islam requiring scrutiny, and the will to suppress free speech and criticism.

-NOP Channel 4 polling came out with these results:

-33% of Muslims want Sharia Law as implemented in Saudi Arabia.
-28% of muslims agreed they dreamt of Britain becoming an Islamic State.

-78% wanted Danish cartoonist prosecuted.
-68% want prosecutions for insulting Islam.
-62% disagree with the freedom of speech if it insults religious sensibilities.
-50% said British people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.

-Between 5-9% say that violence to protect Islam is acceptable.
-Whilst 10-13% found that they “understood” why young muslims might want to become suicide bombers."

I'm dogging you on your thoughts about this & specifically that somehow you believe how you got human slaves matters. You don't know my thoughts here outside of what I specifically just brought up you just know I think you're mfing stupid for how you are speaking about this sh!t

You got that right peanut , i hav'nt a fornicating clue what your on about . But my thoughts are simple ,, Slavery is bad no matter who has slaves its moraly and legaly not acceptable .

Slavery has been with the world for centuries ,

All the world have been guilty , of slavery Mongols , Aztecs , British , American , Romans Africans , and i suppose even facking cavemen .

Europeans and Americans were responsible for ending not all but most slavery 200 facking years ago

The world should Thank Americans and Eoropeans , for ending slavery .

African Americans , still dribble on and on and on , about how hard done to there people were , So facking what , my ancestors were invaded by the vikings and before that the romans ,

BUT i don't give a flying fack , who made who slaves it was along time ago ,

If the people who dislike America for the million reasons they seem to , Well fack off back to where you come from , or go sneak over the border to Syria , Iraq , or a African country .

Oh i'm not American but have been there a few times , and love the place , and love the people .

Wether or not i mentioned black people selling slaves to Europeans , is not condoning it ,, just get it right ,, Why blame slavery on White europeans and Americans , ,

Instead of blaming them , try praising them for stopping it , But if you must lay blame , give the other africans who run around the jungle catching slaves at least 50-50 blame . .

But you NEVER EVER hear a american black activist , on his /her soapbox , sprouting about them evil bastards from nigeria , who raped , pillaged , and sold the Ghanians , , You never hear of them condemming African soildiers , who kill villages , rape the women , kill the babies and make the young boys fight in a war .

But they love to sprout about slavery which ended 200 facking years ago

punchoutsb wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Quite different ... I guess you think it's okay for a nation of people to have a completely false sense of self. Because it's not dangerous when a people's mentality has been molded to think that their actions and desires are more important than everyone else's on the planet.

So are you a champion of pointing out the historical brutality of other races and nations or only white Europeans? Because historical brutality is a human thing, not a white thing.

Better get busy telling every person in the world that they suck because of what their ancestors did hundreds or thousands of years ago!

It's really more than brutality, it's a mentality. It's a profit over people mentality. It's a piece of rock is worth someone's life mentality.

Of course, history is told in stories of war to make us think that was the norm, but it really wasn't. Thousands of societies existed that figured life out much better than the people who came to dominate the world. (In my lifetime, it happened to be effects European domination.)

Societies that would rape and destroy other societies was not the norm. It still isn't if you really analyze the world. It's only a few countries that drive a bunch of other countries into chaos.

... and no, Europeans weren't/aren't the only people who did fucked up things.

I live in a country that does fucked up things to people all the time.

coneye wrote:

I wrote:I'm dogging you on your thoughts about this & specifically that somehow you believe how you got human slaves matters. You don't know my thoughts here outside of what I specifically just brought up you just know I think you're mfing stupid for how you are speaking about this sh!t

You got that right peanut , i hav'nt a effing clue what your on about . But my thoughts are simple ,, Slavery is bad no matter who has slaves its moraly and legaly not acceptable .

Slavery has been with the world for centuries ,

All the world have been guilty , of slavery Mongols , Aztecs , British , American , Romans Africans , and i suppose even facking cavemen .

Europeans and Americans were responsible for ending not all but most slavery 200 facking years ago

The world should Thank Americans and Eoropeans , for ending slavery .

African Americans , still dribble on and on and on , about how hard done to there people were , So facking what , my ancestors were invaded by the vikings and before that the romans ,

BUT i don't give a flying fack , who made who slaves it was along time ago ,

If the people who dislike America for the million reasons they seem to , Well fack off back to where you come from , or go sneak over the border to Syria , Iraq , or a African country .

Oh i'm not American but have been there a few times , and love the place , and love the people .

Wether or not i mentioned black people selling slaves to Europeans , is not condoning it ,, just get it right ,, Why blame slavery on White europeans and Americans , ,

Instead of blaming them , try praising them for stopping it , But if you must lay blame , give the other africans who run around the jungle catching slaves at least 50-50 blame . .

But you NEVER EVER hear a american black activist , on his /her soapbox , sprouting about them evil bastards from nigeria , who raped , pillaged , and sold the Ghanians , , You never hear of them condemming African soildiers , who kill villages , rape the women , kill the babies and make the young boys fight in a war .

But they love to sprout about slavery which ended 200 facking years ago

I hope you got a psychiatrist cuz you got mfing problems. You keep droning on & on about slavery, but I ain't saying sh!t about slavery except its a f#cked up thing which I think we even agree on.

What I'm saying short bus is you bringing up that africans gave other africans to Americans is kinda like saying a bank teller gave a theif the money in a bank & somehow that meaning anything except you might have issues with black people which @ this point is even more obvious than when I initially made my remark.

sucracristo wrote:if the usa is so racist and bad, then don't come here.
treating people badly at the airports doesn't seem to be working if that is what
we are trying to do, because they won't stop coming. like 90% of the planet
is trying to come here every day and all i ever hear is how horrible a country
this is. why doesn't khan go to mecca where there is a death penalty for any non-sunni
for entering and women can't drive and are forced to walk around in burkhas in
120 degree heat and can't go out alone, etc? when you think about it, every practicing
muslim in the world faces that place twice a day when they pray and it's so medievil.
is there an equivalent in any other religion? i don't get the equivalency made between
islam and any other religion on the planet. as horrible and racist as all us infidels are here,
we really need lectures on how to live from cannibalstic totalitarian regimes?


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/01/p ... ing-islam/

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/danielpycock/ ... of-the-uk/
"In the traditional arenas of belief, things are rather easy to predict:

- 0% of British Muslims found homosexuality acceptable.
- 3% found relations outside of marriage morally justifiable.
- 40% of this poll found Muslims wanting Sharia law in the UK.
- 75% of young muslims want women to wear the veil (or at least hijab) compared to 19% of adult population.

As I’ve stated though, there are rather more concerning patterns emerging:

1) The extremist views of young Muslims in particular (aged 16-24)

These results are from a poll of Muslim students:

– 33% claim that killing is justified if done to protect religion.
– 40 percent support the introduction of sharia for British Muslims.
– 33 percent support a worldwide Islamic caliphate based on sharia.

These results are from Muslims polled (16 – 24) for Policy Exchange:
-37 percent of young British Muslims want Sharia law in Britain.
-36 percent of young British Muslims think apostates should be killed.
-13 percent of young British Muslims said they “admired” Al Qaeda.

2) Support or Sympathy with Terrorism & 3) Conspiracy Theories

-According to a 2006 Pew Survey, only 17% of British Muslims believe that Arabs carried out the September 11th attacks.

-According to an NOP survey, 2007:
-24 percent of British Muslims deny that the four British Muslim suicide bombers carried out the 7/7 attacks.
-24 percent of British Muslims believe the British government carried out the 7/7 attacks.

-According to Channel 4 Polls in August 2006, reported in both the Scotsman and the Financial Times:
-24 per cent agreed or tended to agree that the 7/7 bombings were justified.
-45 per cent think 9/11 was carried out by the US or Israel.

-16 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Israel.
-7 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Britain.

4)The denial of Islam requiring scrutiny, and the will to suppress free speech and criticism.

-NOP Channel 4 polling came out with these results:

-33% of Muslims want Sharia Law as implemented in Saudi Arabia.
-28% of muslims agreed they dreamt of Britain becoming an Islamic State.

-78% wanted Danish cartoonist prosecuted.
-68% want prosecutions for insulting Islam.
-62% disagree with the freedom of speech if it insults religious sensibilities.
-50% said British people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.

-Between 5-9% say that violence to protect Islam is acceptable.
-Whilst 10-13% found that they “understood” why young muslims might want to become suicide bombers."

I would like to see Catholics asked similar questions relevant to their beliefs. I bet the percentages would be closer than most think in most areas that are comparable.

The big difference would be in the killing & death opinions, but dying in a Catholic country & the killing & wars & threats of wars in Islamic countries are two very different things so its not all surprising their desire to kill or die or be okay with those things is gonna be much greater cuz its a reality of life. You would notice that difference if you go do a survey in a affluent trust fund neighborhood vs doing a survey in a no to lil hope project neighborhood where everybody there knows someone whos been murdered or shot.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Quite different ... I guess you think it's okay for a nation of people to have a completely false sense of self. Because it's not dangerous when a people's mentality has been molded to think that their actions and desires are more important than everyone else's on the planet.

So are you a champion of pointing out the historical brutality of other races and nations or only white Europeans? Because historical brutality is a human thing, not a white thing.

Better get busy telling every person in the world that they suck because of what their ancestors did hundreds or thousands of years ago!

It's really more than brutality, it's a mentality. It's a profit over people mentality. It's a piece of rock is worth someone's life mentality.

Of course, history is told in stories of war to make us think that was the norm, but it really wasn't. Thousands of societies existed that figured life out much better than the people who came to dominate the world. (In my lifetime, it happened to be effects European domination.)

Societies that would rape and destroy other societies was not the norm. It still isn't if you really analyze the world. It's only a few countries that drive a bunch of other countries into chaos.

Greed is a HUMAN characteristic. And greed is what propels people to commit acts of violence. To say "thousands of societies existed" that didn't try to dominate the world is only correct because they didn't have the technology to do it on a large scale. Little tribes fight other little tribes for a variety of reasons, be it land, water, "money", ect.

I'm just saying rather than acting like a TOTAL hypocrite, you should at least try to instill your "crippling guilt" over every person alive, because we all have ancestors who killed people over something they wanted.

ReggieDiggs wrote:
What I'm saying short bus is you bringing up that africans gave other africans to Americans is kinda like saying a bank teller gave a theif the money in a bank & somehow that meaning anything except you might have issues with black people which @ this point is even more obvious than when I initially made my remark.

Are you thick , or do you just pretend to be i'm pointing out that Africans enslaved Africans , Romans enslaved Romans , Egyptians enslaved Egyptians ,, but no one seems to mind .. I could'nt give a flying fornicate who enslaved who , It stopped 200 years ago what does annoy me is the way its only Europeans who are cast has the villians .

How the fack you get out of that i have an issue with black people is beyond me But heh , if your a black guy , and want to call the racist card , well i'm not that PC that i will cry and try to find reasons for you to think different , I'll just say Get Facked . Think what you will .

ReggieDiggs wrote:I would like to see Catholics asked similar questions relevant to their beliefs. I bet the percentages would be closer.

that would be a bet you made on an emotional denial, and thus a losing proposition.
i could point to pew studies in the united states as well.
even in the nation of islam, which is more of an american adaptation of islam
as opposed to the imported version mostly populated by immigrants, look
at louis farrarkhan back to elija muhammed. the most mainstream versions
of islam uniformly are more extreme than any organized religions in the same
societies. as far as the violence qualifier, you are making excuses. those studies
in the 2nd link are all BRITISH muslims, and the most extreme are the ones
born and raised within british society. you are trying to point to anything you
can find to explain these sentiments other than islam, when islam is the sole
reason why they have those sentiments. there is no equally poor demographic
in britain where you can find anything close to these religiously based sentiments.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 71635.html
"Muhammad is the most popular babies’ name in England and Wales, when its three main spelling
variations are counted."
england is on the verge of a major societal shift and if they aren't whistling through
the graveyard they need to get realitic about what shape the country is about to take.

by the way, i get picked out of those lines at the airport every time and hassled,
and if khan thought he was harassed before, wait until the next time he arrives here.
those tsa mutants are vindictive as hell and calling them racist in the media is not going
to help his case.

coneye wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:
What I'm saying short bus is you bringing up that africans gave other africans to Americans is kinda like saying a bank teller gave a theif the money in a bank & somehow that meaning anything except you might have issues with black people which @ this point is even more obvious than when I initially made my remark.

Are you thick , or do you just pretend to be i'm pointing out that Africans enslaved Africans , Romans enslaved Romans , Egyptians enslaved Egyptians ,, but no one seems to mind .. I could'nt give a flying eff who enslaved who , It stopped 200 years ago what does annoy me is the way its only Europeans who are cast has the villians .

How the fack you get out of that i have an issue with black people is beyond me But heh , if your a black guy , and want to call the racist card , well i'm not that PC that i will cry and try to find reasons for you to think different , I'll just say Get Facked . Think what you will .

Short bus is calling me thick Okay. Calm down & go put on your helmet.

coneye wrote:Africans enslaved Africans , Romans enslaved Romans , Egyptians enslaved Egyptians.

ironically as far as this conversation goes, the vast majority of societies in this era where people
are persecuted and enslaved and slaughtered on mass scales are controlled by muslims perpetrating
these things in the name of islam. i can't think of another religion that yells anything equivalent
to "allah achbar" while perpetrating the most savage atrocities. are all muslims everywhere supporting
this stuff? hell no, but even in the most secular non-muslim dominated societies there are frighteningly
high numbers of "main stream" muslims who hold extreme views. again, all practicing muslims pray
twice a day in the direction of mecca, where there is a death penalty for non-sunnis to enter,
which even muslims in the united states and UK wholeheatedly endorse.
the guy you're debating with literally thinks catholics are equivalent.
they persecute women and kill gays there and all muslims lay down and pray facing there twice a day,
and the guy you are debating with says that is pretty much the same as catholicism.

sucracristo wrote:

coneye wrote:Africans enslaved Africans , Romans enslaved Romans , Egyptians enslaved Egyptians.

ironically as far as this conversation goes, the vast majority of societies in this era where people
are persecuted and enslaved and slaughtered on mass scales are controlled by muslims perpetrating
these things in the name of islam. i can't think of another religion that yells anything equivalent
to "allah achbar" while perpetrating the most savage atrocities. are all muslims everywhere supporting
this stuff? hell no, but even in the most secular non-muslim dominated societies there are frighteningly
high numbers of "main stream" muslims who hold extreme views. again, all practicing muslims pray
twice a day in the direction of mecca, where there is a death penalty for non-sunnis to enter,
which even muslims in the united states and UK wholeheatedly endorse.
the guy you're debating with literally thinks catholics are equivalent.
they persecute women and kill gays there and all muslims lay down and pray facing there twice a day,
and the guy you are debating with says that is pretty much the same as catholicism.

Wow ... the vast majority of Christian Americans "support the troops" and whatever the troops do. Why aren't we talking about an aggressive Christian country killing the most people?

Also, many Mulsim extremists invoke the name of their god while fighting for what they perceive to be justice. Almost all soldiers do the same. It doesn't mean that their religion is war. They aren't fighting America because our women dress too provocatively or because our children are rude. They do not hate us because we're free. They are fighting because they feel they have been wronged by America.

punchoutsb wrote:Greed is a HUMAN characteristic. And greed is what propels people to commit acts of violence. To say "thousands of societies existed" that didn't try to dominate the world is only correct because they didn't have the technology to do it on a large scale. Little tribes fight other little tribes for a variety of reasons, be it land, water, "money", ect.

I'm just saying rather than acting like a TOTAL hypocrite, you should at least try to instill your "crippling guilt" over every person alive, because we all have ancestors who killed people over something they wanted.

No, GREED is not a HUMAN characteristic. What a stupid conclusion! Humans, by their very nature and development, are probably the most social animal in the world.

Many societies never wanted to control everything because they realized it was a foolish desire. It's not because they lacked technology or the ability to do so.

You have been so fooled and consumed by hate, you actually believe it to be our default nature ... and it's not only you. That's very sad man. It's like "kill them because they will kill me if they can". What a pathetic conclusion to come to.

As cordial, non-partial and open minded as Boxing fans/forums are, I think this would be a great place to discuss politics and religion and such!

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Greed is a HUMAN characteristic. And greed is what propels people to commit acts of violence. To say "thousands of societies existed" that didn't try to dominate the world is only correct because they didn't have the technology to do it on a large scale. Little tribes fight other little tribes for a variety of reasons, be it land, water, "money", ect.

I'm just saying rather than acting like a TOTAL hypocrite, you should at least try to instill your "crippling guilt" over every person alive, because we all have ancestors who killed people over something they wanted.

No, GREED is not a HUMAN characteristic. What a stupid conclusion! Humans, by their very nature and development, are probably the most social animal in the world.

Many societies never wanted to control everything because they realized it was a foolish desire. It's not because they lacked technology or the ability to do so.

You have been so fooled and consumed by hate, you actually believe it to be our default nature ... and it's not only you. That's very sad man. It's like "kill them because they will kill me if they can". What a pathetic conclusion to come to.

So humans aren't greedy because they are social? That's a great argument

If you look at why people kill each other, it all comes down to one thing: Greed. Go ahead and try to argue that it's not true, you'll just continue to make yourself look more foolish.

I'm not the hateful one here...I mean you are the one that wants people today to feel "crippling guilt" for what their ancestors did. That's the stupidest thing I've read on this forum, and that's including Bruts posts. So congratulations there.

Can you name me a few MAJOR historical societies that were passive and peaceful?

sucracristo wrote:the guy you are debating with says that is pretty much the same as catholicism.

Not quite, but nice try. I do believe religious people of any affiliation are a lil mfing nuts & that was what I was suggesting with my remark in regards to comparisons with Muslims & Catholics. The history of catholic atrocities don't start & stop with kid f#cking.

punchoutsb wrote:Can you name me a few MAJOR historical societies that were passive and peaceful?

And this is where it always ends, and it's the exact problem.

No, by your implied definition of MAJOR, all the societies we value historically were aggressively militaristic.

However, were there thousands of people/cultures that lasted relatively peacefully for a few hundred (to maybe thousands) of years?
Yes

Were they wiped out when they eventually came into contact with the military powers?
Yes

So, I think the level of greed that creates widespread inequality is not a natural human condition. However, because the worst societies in human history formed us, we are indoctrinated into a belief that mankind is warlike. However, there were many human cultures whose definition of war was like a football game they played once a year. Almost no one died. And these skirmishes weren't about expansion, they were over some personal grief between families.

But of course, almost all of the last remaining cultures like these were wiped out during the Age of Exploration. I don't think it's natural to want to think like the people who conquer.

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BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Can you name me a few MAJOR historical societies that were passive and peaceful?

And this is where it always ends, and it's the exact problem.

No, by your implied definition of MAJOR, all the societies we value historically were aggressively militaristic.

However, were there thousands of people/cultures that lasted relatively peacefully for a few hundred (to maybe thousands) of years?
Yes

Were they wiped out when they eventually came into contact with the military powers?
Yes

So, I think the level of greed that creates widespread inequality is not a natural human condition. However, because the worst societies in human history formed us, we are indoctrinated into a belief that mankind is warlike. However, there were many human cultures whose definition of war was like a football game they played once a year. Almost no one died. And these skirmishes weren't about expansion, they were over some personal grief between families.

But of course, almost all of the last remaining cultures like these were wiped out during the Age of Exploration. I don't think it's natural to want to think like the people who conquer.

So the major cultures that survived have violence in their history. So there goes your white people are the root of all evil argument.

So if your sad mind finds it necessary to continue instilling your "crippling guilt" for past sins, just do it in a less hypocritical and racist way