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I always thought that Wilfredo Benitez KO of Mo Hope was one of the nastiest I seen. Benitez expression afterwards was chilling. Not an ounce of compassion or concern. Just enjoying the feeling of pulling the trigger and hitting the bullseye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqEk8gU4C6U

dougie-boyjr wrote:

witherspoon wrote:I've seen too little of Don Curry, I have a career dvd set which I'm saving for a slow day, and the last few posts of this thread have really whetted my appetite, I don't think I will put off watching that for much longer.

Witherspoon v Smith 2 was a nasty experience for me, I was 7 years old and watching my idol dismantled, not too violently and almost submissively. That hurt.

Witherspoon took a dive in the fight he has said so himself to get out of cluches of don king

I think that's believable, but it's more likely that Tim was so distracted by all the BS with Don and Carl King that he was nowhere near the required level of mental focus to deal with a dangerous guy like Bonecrusher (who was on a great streak).

And if he was looking past Bonecrusher to a fight with Tyson, the prospect of taking on Don Kings golden goose would have made for an uncomfortable level of stress. I think he feared Don King, not Mike Tyson, in my humble opinion.

Two nasty KO's come to mind.
Aaron Brown over Mark Breland.
Rafael Pineda over Roger Mayweather

dougie-boyjr wrote:

witherspoon wrote:I've seen too little of Don Curry, I have a career dvd set which I'm saving for a slow day, and the last few posts of this thread have really whetted my appetite, I don't think I will put off watching that for much longer.

Witherspoon v Smith 2 was a nasty experience for me, I was 7 years old and watching my idol dismantled, not too violently and almost submissively. That hurt.

Witherspoon took a dive in the fight he has said so himself to get out of cluches of don king

Don King is responsible for everything bad that ever happened to Witherspoon. King is to blame for Tim being a fatso throughout his career, Don just kept sending those pizzas over.

hhaehre wrote:

dougie-boyjr wrote:

witherspoon wrote:I've seen too little of Don Curry, I have a career dvd set which I'm saving for a slow day, and the last few posts of this thread have really whetted my appetite, I don't think I will put off watching that for much longer.

Witherspoon v Smith 2 was a nasty experience for me, I was 7 years old and watching my idol dismantled, not too violently and almost submissively. That hurt.

Witherspoon took a dive in the fight he has said so himself to get out of cluches of don king

Don King is responsible for everything bad that ever happened to Witherspoon. King is to blame for Tim being a fatso throughout his career, Don just kept sending those pizzas over.

As a hard core Tim Witherspoon fan, let me respond :

Tim Witherspoon was not always a fatso. He showed that he was capable of turning up motivated and in shape well into the mid 90's and he looked dangerous when he did.

Don King is responsible for a lot of bad things that happened to a lot of boxers, including Tim Witherspoon.

If Tim Witherspoon turned out fat while he was 'managed' by Don King, the blame lies firmly with Tim. If he had the discipline to train hard and keep motivated in the absence of an adequate incentive, I have no doubt we would be debating his spot in the top 15 all time great heavyweights.
And if my grandmother had balls...........

Tim had the tools and enough talent that he was always the master of his own destiny, but Don King didn't help him at all. Some might say that's harsh on Tim, considering what Don King put him through, (signatures on blank contracts, ridiculous deductions of expenses from purses, threats of violence).

But I think about guys like Jersey Joe, James J Braddock, Jack Johnson and what they had to overcome to write their name in the history books.

Edit to stay on topic: I read in Herol Grahams biography that he was still undergoing dental repair work years after he was KO'd by Julian Jackson.
And that reminds me of the legend of Jack Johnson scraping Stanley Ketchels teeth off his glove. I vaguely remember a thread about this fight and the myths it spawned from years past.

witherspoon wrote: Tim Witherspoon was not always a fatso. He showed that he was capable of turning up motivated and in shape well into the mid 90's and he looked dangerous when he did.

He was always overweight to some degree. Even in the Holmes fight he was too heavy and gave the fight away in the last few rounds. I have always like Tim and there is no doubt that King was a negative influence in his career but with Whiterspoon Don King is always the excuse for everything. Other fighters, like Holmes, had Don King on their backs as well but still managed to realize their potential.
On topic but staying with Tim: The Eklund knockout was as nasty as it gets.

hhaehre wrote:

witherspoon wrote: Tim Witherspoon was not always a fatso. He showed that he was capable of turning up motivated and in shape well into the mid 90's and he looked dangerous when he did.

He was always overweight to some degree. Even in the Holmes fight he was too heavy and gave the fight away in the last few rounds. I have always like Tim and there is no doubt that King was a negative influence in his career but with Whiterspoon Don King is always the excuse for everything. Other fighters, like Holmes, had Don King on their backs as well but still managed to realize their potential.
On topic but staying with Tim: The Eklund knockout was as nasty as it gets.

I don't agree on the Holmes fight, personally I think Witherspoon nicked it (but I haven't scored the fight since I watched it 2-3 years ago, and I tend to be inconsistent).

I think he weighed 216? I think he was in good shape.

On topic : The way he finished Bruno was savage, one if those overhand rights looked like it would have felled a tree, and yet he still had to keep battering the poor guy till he crumbled in the corner. No way you could call Bruno chinny.

witherspoon wrote: I don't agree on the Holmes fight, personally I think Witherspoon nicked it (but I haven't scored the fight since I watched it 2-3 years ago, and I tend to be inconsistent).

I think he weighed 216? I think he was in good shape.

I thought he was around 220 which I felt was about 10 too many. He was in good shape but not great. I had Holmes just pulling it out in the last few rounds. It was a very close fight but it was a fight that really was there for Witherspoon to win. As the younger man I thought he should have finished stronger.

witherspoon wrote:On topic : The way he finished Bruno was savage, one if those overhand rights looked like it would have felled a tree, and yet he still had to keep battering the poor guy till he crumbled in the corner. No way you could call Bruno chinny.

Yes, brutal ko. Bruno had a good chin but his instincts when hurt were poor, he just couldn't get out of the way or clinch. When he was hurt he usually just stood there and tried to punch back while he should have clinched or been on his bike with a high guard.

Tyson vs Holmes was a brutal KO, too.

Lyles ko of Shavers was brutal. Poor earnie was at 45 degrees and dropping while Lyle was still firing right hands. Probably in the top 5 Heavyweight fights of the 1970's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YSqTH0ImYc

Go to about 7:10 to see the KO. All the more impressive considering the victim would go on to become a pretty stubbornly durable world champion.

Ray Mercer vs Tommy Morrison gets my vote

witherspoon wrote: Two nasty KO's come to mind.
Aaron Brown over Mark Breland.
Rafael Pineda over Roger Mayweather

I think you meant Aaron Davis but yeah, I watched that one live and it was a nasty KO.
My dad was a Breland fan, but I told him Davis would win...he didn't believe me, until Davis drilled Breland HARD.

witherspoon wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YSqTH0ImYc

Go to about 7:10 to see the KO. All the more impressive considering the victim would go on to become a pretty stubbornly durable world champion.

That was a good one! Funny I was watching the normally very durable Rosi in his second fight with Vincent Pettway and he got badly flattened!