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Ricky_ wrote:Gennady Golovkin is the best p4p on the planet by a considerable distance.

No, Mayweather is.

Golovkin's best win is against Geale. Geale wouldn't qualify for a place in Mayweather's top 10 wins P4P-wise. He'd probably be in Mayweather's top 20 though.

Impractical Poster wrote:There's the Ring p4p lists, boxrec, and many others. But, Horse's is the truth!! Rarely will you find two P4P lists the same. So that being said, Horse's are consistently well put together lists.

Thank you.

jezzamundo wrote:I always enjoy them and tend to find only minor quibbles to pick.

Horse wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:canelo, bradley, marquez, hopkins, ward are out of p4p. guys like lara, golovkin, kovalev, gonzales are in!!!

Alvarez has just beaten Lara and Mayweather did a lot better against Alvarez than Lara.

Chepppaaa wrote:ward stopped and it is unsure when and if he comes back.

canelo had 0 chance vs lara. lara beat himself, because he simply stopped punching at all. while lara is dumb, no doubt, he still is an elite boxer, anybody who doesnt see his skill or athletic ability doesnt kow boxing.

kell brook would totaly technicly dominate bradley/ thurman would totaly brutalize bradley

marquez is past it, he should be nowhere a p4p list. he lost totaly to an overrated bradley and the only thing he did good, was having a lucky punch in a fight he was loosing, now he is old

X gonne get wrecked by kovalev, he has already been easily beating by a guy adonis needed around 5 minutes for

Lara is not very good. He is a hypejob.

Bradley is much better than Lara.

dude...u dont understand boxing...i said it before...its worthless talking to you about it. you go by "likes" and dont see what realy happened

Chepppaaa wrote:dude...u dont understand boxing...i said it before...its worthless talking to you about it. you go by "likes" and dont see what realy happened

You are either a dunce or a troll.

Horse wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Gennady Golovkin is the best p4p on the planet by a considerable distance.

No, Mayweather is.

Golovkin's best win is against Geale. Geale wouldn't qualify for a place in Mayweather's top 10 wins P4P-wise. He'd probably be in Mayweather's top 20 though.

This is where your lists go wrong. You've just placed justification for Mayweather being above Golovkin due to the names on his overall resume.

How does Mayweather's win over Oscar 7 years ago place him as greater fighter, pound-for-pound than Golovkin, in "October 2014" as per the title of your post, in the forum "Current Scene"?

It's irrelevant. That Mayweather is gone. In 2014 we have a 37 year old man who took 2 attempts to outland & lodge a convincing scorecard over a C-level guy like Maidana. A fighter seemingly incapable of inflicting more than a busted lip with a punch or doing anything other than clinching on the inside or running & pot-shotting on the outside. To suggest this is currently the best boxing has to offer is an insult to the sport.

Mayweather's snoozefest catchweight win over Canelo is still just about recent enough to keep him in the top 5 and i'd have Ward off of there completely 'til he decides to, you know, box.

Ricky_ wrote:Mayweather's snoozefest catchweight win over Canelo is still just about recent enough to keep him in the top 5 and i'd have Ward off of there completely 'til he decides to, you know, box.

Alvarez is clearly better than anyone Golovkin has beaten and Maidana is probably better as well.

Having a guy like Golovkin as No. 1, with only a couple of decent wins, would be ridiculous.

Beating Geale and Macklin is simply not good enough.

Horse wrote:

giacomino wrote:Re: Narvaez. At 39, I thought his recent win over his young, tough mandatory Orucuta, was impressive. I expected him to lose and was impressed he could still beat a much bigger, younger and harder hitting opponent. I might sneak him in at 30ish, although can't see him fighting much longer

He's been a world champion for over 12 years and he's never unified? Why is that?

It's impressive that he can still beat top 10 ranked opponents at 38, but he really should have done far more with his career. I don't understand his lack of ambition.

I agree. Said the same thing about Pong for years. They both held flyweight belts at the same time for years but never made any effort to unify or fight each other. They always had top 20 p4p talent but never seemed interested in owning the division or fighting each other. Chris John was in the same boat, am sure there are others we can name

Horse wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Mayweather's snoozefest catchweight win over Canelo is still just about recent enough to keep him in the top 5 and i'd have Ward off of there completely 'til he decides to, you know, box.

Alvarez is clearly better than anyone Golovkin has beaten and Maidana is probably better as well.

Having a guy like Golovkin as No. 1, with only a couple of decent wins, would be ridiculous.

Beating Geale and Macklin is simply not good enough.

and again you fall into the trap of considering opponent level the only factor in your rankings, over the last x-amount of years where x is anything you please in search of justification.

Are you not able to assess a fighter's ability and skill level simply be watching his technique, assessing his style/tactics, how he moves and sets punches up?

Ricky_ wrote:and again you fall into the trap of considering opponent level the only factor in your rankings, over the last x-amount of years where x is anything you please in search of justification.

Are you not able to assess a fighter's ability and skill level simply be watching his technique, assessing his style/tactics, how he moves and sets punches up?

I do not care whether Golovkin has the best ability in the business or not.

He needs to prove it in the ring against better opposition.

Horse wrote:I do not care whether Golovkin has the best ability in the business or not.

Hence why many of these lists are nothing more than cherrypicked résumé dick measuring contests. SRL had a superior résumé than SRR.

Ricky_ wrote:

Horse wrote:I do not care whether Golovkin has the best ability in the business or not.

Hence why many of these lists are nothing more than cherrypicked résumé dick measuring contests. SRL had a superior résumé than SRR.

Can Golovkin show this abillity against a similar level of fighter that Mayweather and others above him in the list have? that is arguable.

all P4P lists are opinion based, not fact.

Had Golvkin showed a china chin against Geale would he still be your P4P number 1? he'd still have the same skill set after all

Attributes go beyond technique in boxing - so if Golovkin were to be hindered by a glass jaw like Khan or David Price that be reflected both in his perception as a fighter and in his results.

Golovkin is the only fighter in the planet who i can say definitively cannot & will not be beaten in or below his weight class - infact, there isn't a fighter campaigning at 160 or below I think could even hear a final bell.

There is nobody else in the sport i could say the same about (apart from possibly Wlad). Nobody knows who's currently better between Pacquiao and Floyd and with them both approaching 40 I don't believe either are unbeatable in the 140-154 range. I don't think Rigondeux is untouchable either, I think a Donaire rematch would be something like 60/40 and Carl Frampton is looking like a legit p4p world champion. No point in speculating about Kovalev at the moment, since we get to see how that plays out.

Martin Murray will deal with Golovkin soon enough.

Horse wrote:Martin Murray will deal with Golovkin soon enough.

You think Golovkin will break his hands on Martins jaw?

Horse wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:dude...u dont understand boxing...i said it before...its worthless talking to you about it. you go by "likes" and dont see what realy happened

You are either a dunce or a troll.

Stop trying to groom him.

Ricky_ wrote:

Horse wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Gennady Golovkin is the best p4p on the planet by a considerable distance.

No, Mayweather is.

Golovkin's best win is against Geale. Geale wouldn't qualify for a place in Mayweather's top 10 wins P4P-wise. He'd probably be in Mayweather's top 20 though.

This is where your lists go wrong. You've just placed justification for Mayweather being above Golovkin due to the names on his overall resume.

How does Mayweather's win over Oscar 7 years ago place him as greater fighter, pound-for-pound than Golovkin, in "October 2014" as per the title of your post, in the forum "Current Scene"?

It's irrelevant. That Mayweather is gone. In 2014 we have a 37 year old man who took 2 attempts to outland & lodge a convincing scorecard over a C-level guy like Maidana. A fighter seemingly incapable of inflicting more than a busted lip with a punch or doing anything other than clinching on the inside or running & pot-shotting on the outside. To suggest this is currently the best boxing has to offer is an insult to the sport.

Mayweather's snoozefest catchweight win over Canelo is still just about recent enough to keep him in the top 5 and i'd have Ward off of there completely 'til he decides to, you know, box.

oh god. finaly someone gets the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks ricky....

what everybody doesnt seem to get, but me and ricky, is, it is called

""""current p4p top 10"""""""

it is not called

""""top 10 p4p list 1990"""""

floyd needs a boring md for canelo, when ggg would stop canelo within 3. manny cant even hurt an opponent, his days are over too. ward stopped boxing for whatever reason. past/future, simple as that.

Horse wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Mayweather's snoozefest catchweight win over Canelo is still just about recent enough to keep him in the top 5 and i'd have Ward off of there completely 'til he decides to, you know, box.

Alvarez is clearly better than anyone Golovkin has beaten and Maidana is probably better as well.

Having a guy like Golovkin as No. 1, with only a couple of decent wins, would be ridiculous.

Beating Geale and Macklin is simply not good enough.

what the heck u talking about......a couple of descent fights


the dude career has been terrific, more action packed, than floyd last 15 fights combined. plus he got rare power, something floyd doesnt has. floyd was hugging and crabbing and crying to the ref all day, because of small maidana, imagne GGG, even a dyhadrated 154 version of ggg, would totaly wreck floyd.

palooka wrote:Stop trying to groom him.

For sex?

Chepppaaa wrote:what the heck u talking about......a couple of descent fights

His opposition hasn't been very good. He only has two world level wins.

I like the list although I would have Rigo at #3 and wouldn't have Gonzalez quite so high. Just my opinion though, can't make everyone happy lol. Nothing wrong with still having Ward at #2 IMO, he's still among the very best in the sport and I'm with you his skills have more than likely not gone anywhere during this long layoff he's had. Many fighters have taken long layoffs and came back as good or even better than they were before and Ward is still relatively young. If anything this layoff could be the best thing for Ward to give his body time to heal, it's actually something fighters should do more often and is often overlooked.

I see the normal assclowns of this forum are crying as always because Floyd is still #1 and been crushing their dreams for the last decade or more. Poor sad people let me tell you, stay mad bitches lol.

GGG hasn't fought anyone as good as Madaina in his entire professional career you phucktards lmao. Get off GGGs dick, he doesn't deserve to hold Floyds jock strap.

NateJR wrote:I like the list although I would have Rigo at #3 and wouldn't have Gonzalez quite so high. Just my opinion though, can't make everyone happy lol. Nothing wrong with still having Ward at #2 IMO, he's still among the very best in the sport and I'm with you his skills have more than likely not gone anywhere during this long layoff he's had. Many fighters have taken long layoffs and came back as good or even better than they were before and Ward is still relatively young. If anything this layoff could be the best thing for Ward to give his body time to heal, it's actually something fighters should do more often and is often overlooked.

NateJR wrote:I see the normal assclowns of this forum are crying as always because Floyd is still #1 and been crushing their dreams for the last decade or more. Poor sad people let me tell you, stay mad bitches lol.

GGG hasn't fought anyone as good as Madaina in his entire professional career you phucktards lmao. Get off GGGs dick, he doesn't deserve to hold Floyds jock strap.

Horse wrote:

palooka wrote:Stop trying to groom him.

For sex?

Who knows what you do with the poor devils?