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lefty wrote:

jameswilson wrote:What do people think of this fight then? Taylor is old, but Soliman is older. But then Soliman beat a pretty credible opponent in his last fight convincingly which Taylor hasn't done in ages.

Is everyone thinking Soliman to win?

I think too much is made of age in boxing at times. Some guys naturally bloom (not quite the word i was looking for) later than others a bit like Froch possibly and some are completely shot by the time they're 30/31 like Juan manuel Lopez or even younger. Regarding the fight, i'd have to go with with Soliman based on the form line and the fact Taylor looked finished about 5 years ago which doesnt help things.

magwitch wrote:

lefty wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

To be fair, I'm pretty sure this is a tongue-in-cheek quote from a comedy movie rather than a serious comment.

Exactly mate. It wasnt supposed to be taken literally and like expe also said that term is used for primarily these days and particularily in the context of how I said it when somebody is being stupid. It has nothing to do with somebody being disabled. Obviously when the term is used in reference to disability then of course it's vile.

That's your perception. A lot of people who aren't Ben Stiller fans still use that, and other words, correctly.

Horse wrote:

lefty wrote:Obviously when the term is used in reference to disability then of course it's vile.

Why is it vile?

It used to be okay, but now it's not. It's stupid.

Being retarded is not a good thing. Whatever new names they come up with for it are going to be used as insults.

magwitch wrote:I believe the word spastic, as in Spastics Society, got phased out as idiots started using it as an insult. When the word on its own actually wasn't intended as an insult at all. Not having a go at anyone here, but perhaps there is a lesson in there somewhere?

Horse wrote:

magwitch wrote:I believe the word spastic, as in Spastics Society, got phased out as idiots started using it as an insult. When the word on its own actually wasn't intended as an insult at all. Not having a go at anyone here, but perhaps there is a lesson in there somewhere?

It's the insult that is bad, not the word.

magwitch wrote:

Horse wrote:

magwitch wrote:I believe the word spastic, as in Spastics Society, got phased out as idiots started using it as an insult. When the word on its own actually wasn't intended as an insult at all. Not having a go at anyone here, but perhaps there is a lesson in there somewhere?

It's the insult that is bad, not the word.

I agree. It's always unacceptable. "Spacker" and "Spaz" became too common. Now people are advocating "retard" as acceptable to mean stupid. I had a mate when I was about 11, secondary school, quiet, nice lad....someone called him "spacker" in PE one day and he went ballistic. We hadn't known each other more than a year or so as it was secondary school. Lad had a brother who was physically and mentally disabled, I believe, which nobody knew, and it really upset him to hear the word "spacker". Course expe's not at school anymore......

Boxerbeetle wrote: A bit OT, but I'm pretty sure the Black Eyed Peas song "Let's Get It Started" was originally recorded (and I believe released in the US) as "Let's Get Retarded", presumably meaning to get wasted. It's not a word I'd ever use, but it's all about context.

Datsue wrote:Much like Juan Manuel Lopez's rematch win over Daniel Poncé De Leon--which guaranteed the poor bugger got lined up for further paydays & beatings--this is the worst possible result for Taylor.

Fed to Quillin now, perhaps?

Boxerbeetle wrote:

Datsue wrote:Much like Juan Manuel Lopez's rematch win over Daniel Poncé De Leon--which guaranteed the poor bugger got lined up for further paydays & beatings--this is the worst possible result for Taylor.

Fed to Quillin now, perhaps?

Let's just hope he's not fed to GGG - that's one fight I'd actually boycott as a protest.

chiggsy wrote:Hows he looked since coming back?

4/1 for a points win for taylor.

Datsue wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

Datsue wrote:Much like Juan Manuel Lopez's rematch win over Daniel Poncé De Leon--which guaranteed the poor bugger got lined up for further paydays & beatings--this is the worst possible result for Taylor.

Fed to Quillin now, perhaps?

Let's just hope he's not fed to GGG - that's one fight I'd actually boycott as a protest.

I doubt Haymon went to the trouble of ensuring JT could fight with half his brain hanging out to give the IBF title away.

Messrs Quillin/Jacobs on the horizon, one presumes.

mickey1975 wrote:

chiggsy wrote:Hows he looked since coming back?

4/1 for a points win for taylor.

Did you back it?

Terry Dooley wrote:Jermain Taylor, eh? The world’s foremost Egyptian white-boy beating gun-toting IBF dodgy knee beating brain addled bad boy. His heart has finally opened itself to boxing, it’s just a pity that it happened at a time when he’s not at his physical best. Taylor-Quillin sounds good to me, though. Then again, GGG’s got white skin, and no white man is going to beat Tayor Mk. 2.

As for the moral aspects, he passed his medicals and made his choice. The bleed puts things right in our faces, but the truth is that fighters are accruing damage before our eyes in every single fight. Then there’s the unseen cost of sparring—because there’s research that suggests head-guards can’t completely protect the noggin’—and all the other crap that they go through to beat each other up for our entertainment, or so that we can completely dismiss, slag off and criticise them. Whatever floats your boat.

The man made a choice, he passed the tests and won the fight. During almost every single fight we watch, we’re watching guys pick up damage. It’s only when it’s made explicit, in the form of an injury, that we care, because you have to be seen to be caring. If you really want to stop people picking up damage, campaign against boxing until it’s banned. Then they’ll smash each other up off-TV and in secret and we won’t have to be confronted with the truth of the sport every once in a while. In the meantime, let’s ditch the whole: “I’m emoting here. I’m EMOTING here!” spiel.

PS Arkansas—f*ck yeah.

I just hope he doesn’t get too excited and shoot another cousin or mess around with a TV presenter, allegedly.

Datsue wrote:Rarf

Terry Dooley wrote:Rarf!

Terry Dooley wrote: It’s not a slur on everyone else, either, as I know that BoxRec’s forums have solved a number of local, global and universal situations. It isn’t going to solve this one.