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There is no fight at 160. Next 2 years will be wastes of everyone's time until he finally goes to 168 to see real opponents like Ward and Dirrell.

diddy wrote:There is no fight at 160. Next 2 years will be wastes of everyone's time until he finally goes to 168 to see real opponents like Ward and Dirrell.

Dirrell? you see Dirrell as a "real opponent" for GGG?
I can't even believe you put him in the same sentence as Ward!

davie wrote:

diddy wrote:There is no fight at 160. Next 2 years will be wastes of everyone's time until he finally goes to 168 to see real opponents like Ward and Dirrell.

Dirrell? you see Dirrell as a "real opponent" for GGG?
I can't even believe you put him in the same sentence as Ward!

Andre Dirrell could be put in one sentence with Ward in terms of talent, but his psychological problems prevent him from being a star.

COTTO but he will fight CANELO so KID CHOCOLATE NEXT

Dirrell ain't Ward. But he's he 2nd best opponent GGG could currently face.

LOL, Golovkin would mutilate Dirrell if Andre had the courage to actually go through with the fight. I highly doubt he would. Most of these guys it's just business, Dirrell would be genuinely terrified.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:COTTO but he will fight CANELO so KID CHOCOLATE NEXT

Tell Haymon that.

Martin Murray or N'dam cause N'dam not getting that Taylor fight

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:LOL, Golovkin would mutilate Dirrell if Andre had the courage to actually go through with the fight. I highly doubt he would. Most of these guys it's just business, Dirrell would be genuinely terrified.

So he's not the 2nd toughest fight out there for him?

Who is then?

world ranked wrote:Martin Murray or N'dam cause N'dam not getting that Taylor fight

Murray with his ear muff defense ? It will be a slow boring slaughter by Golovkin.

N'Dam may be interesting it terms of how long he will be able to run avoiding Golovkin's power shots. Good fight for Monaco.

ikorolev wrote:

world ranked wrote:Martin Murray or N'dam cause N'dam not getting that Taylor fight

Murray with his ear muff defense ? It will be a slow boring slaughter by Golovkin.

N'Dam may be interesting it terms of how long he will be able to run avoiding Golovkin's power shots. Good fight for Monaco.

N'dam is one that intrigues me quite a bit actually and he hasnt been mentioned much. He's interesting in the sense that like you allude to, he has fast hands and fast feet. On the negative side he seems to have a pretty shitty chin and as soon as Golovkin tagged him he'd be on queer street and the fight would be done. I actually think he would make it somewhat more interesting than Murray though who I actually dont think a great deal of at all in truth and the Martinez performance flatters him somewhat. I think Macklin could probably beat Murray to be honest.

Murray fought post-Chavez shot Martinez, the same version which was annihilated by Cotto. He couldn't even beat Khomitsky twice without relying on help from English judges. I will be really disappointed if Murray is the opponent for Monaco. I hope he finds a reason to duck the same way he did it last year.

diddy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:LOL, Golovkin would mutilate Dirrell if Andre had the courage to actually go through with the fight. I highly doubt he would. Most of these guys it's just business, Dirrell would be genuinely terrified.

So he's not the 2nd toughest fight out there for him?

Who is then?

Any number of guys who actually have balls. Froch, Chavez, Quillin, Cotto, Alvarez, etc.. Even Dirrell's brother is an actual man. Andre is a bitch, not sure why you can't accept it, he would offer no challenge to GGG at all.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

diddy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:LOL, Golovkin would mutilate Dirrell if Andre had the courage to actually go through with the fight. I highly doubt he would. Most of these guys it's just business, Dirrell would be genuinely terrified.

So he's not the 2nd toughest fight out there for him?

Who is then?

Any number of guys who actually have balls. Froch, Chavez, Quillin, Cotto, Alvarez, etc.. Even Dirrell's brother is an actual man. Andre is a bitch, not sure why you can't accept it, he would offer no challenge to GGG at all.

Cotto and Alvarez are 154 lb fighters. We're talking about GGG at super middleweight. How do you think Canelo would fare going up 2 divisions to fight Dirrell? Cotto would get outboxed terribly by Dirrell. He's too small. Chavez stinks. He's a cheater who will lose his physical edge at super middle. I'll give you Froch, but I think most of the world believes he lost to Dirrell. Dirrell might not have a big heart but he's got something most guys lack - elite physical attributes/skills. You can bet your ass he would be on his bike vs Golovkin but the speed advantage would be immense. And he's bigger. Not sure why you're so sure he would be able to catch up to Dirrell. It's no certainty. He's never fought anyone who that mix of speed/size/skill. I would love to see it.

You're letting that Abraham spectacle forever tarnish your image of a fighter. Was your image of Hopkins forever tarnished by the stunt he pulled vs Dawson? Sometimes great fighters do strange things. I'm not comparing Dirrell to Hopkins. Just saying.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

diddy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:LOL, Golovkin would mutilate Dirrell if Andre had the courage to actually go through with the fight. I highly doubt he would. Most of these guys it's just business, Dirrell would be genuinely terrified.

So he's not the 2nd toughest fight out there for him?

Who is then?

Any number of guys who actually have balls. Froch, Chavez, Quillin, Cotto, Alvarez, etc.. Even Dirrell's brother is an actual man. Andre is a bitch, not sure why you can't accept it, he would offer no challenge to GGG at all.

Do you really think Cotto is going to fight Golovkin? Not a chance. Highly doubt Canelo does either.

I'd like to see Kirkland in against GGG.

Yes, he's chinny. But he wouldn't simply cover up against Golovkin. For me it's all about initiative with GGG. All his opponents thus far seem to fall into the same traps he sets. He's a killer on the ropes. Kirkland wouldn't simply cover up against him and would ask some questions IMO.

Saying that, if the weights aligned, I'd bet my house on Ward beating him.

diddy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

diddy wrote:
So he's not the 2nd toughest fight out there for him?

Who is then?

Any number of guys who actually have balls. Froch, Chavez, Quillin, Cotto, Alvarez, etc.. Even Dirrell's brother is an actual man. Andre is a bitch, not sure why you can't accept it, he would offer no challenge to GGG at all.

Cotto and Alvarez are 154 lb fighters. We're talking about GGG at super middleweight. How do you think Canelo would fare going up 2 divisions to fight Dirrell? Cotto would get outboxed terribly by Dirrell. He's too small. Chavez stinks. He's a cheater who will lose his physical edge at super middle. I'll give you Froch, but I think most of the world believes he lost to Dirrell. Dirrell might not have a big heart but he's got something most guys lack - elite physical attributes/skills. You can bet your ass he would be on his bike vs Golovkin but the speed advantage would be immense. And he's bigger. Not sure why you're so sure he would be able to catch up to Dirrell. It's no certainty. He's never fought anyone who that mix of speed/size/skill. I would love to see it.

You're letting that Abraham spectacle forever tarnish your image of a fighter. Was your image of Hopkins forever tarnished by the stunt he pulled vs Dawson? Sometimes great fighters do strange things. I'm not comparing Dirrell to Hopkins. Just saying.

LOL, Dirrell hasn't fought anyone resembling a legit fighter since Abraham. No possible reason for him not to be "tarnished" in my eyes. if he ever fights someone with a pulse I think he will mentally implode again. If he doesn't, I'll happily reevaluate his place in the sport.

No question Dirrell would run for his life against Golovkin, and when he got hit he would bitch right out of the ring.

diddy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

diddy wrote: So he's not the 2nd toughest fight out there for him?

Who is then?

Any number of guys who actually have balls. Froch, Chavez, Quillin, Cotto, Alvarez, etc.. Even Dirrell's brother is an actual man. Andre is a bitch, not sure why you can't accept it, he would offer no challenge to GGG at all.

Do you really think Cotto is going to fight Golovkin? Not a chance. Highly doubt Canelo does either.

No, you didn't say a thing about realistic matchups, you asked me who would be more challenging than Dirrell. Do you really think Dirrell is going to fight Golovkin? Damn you're a tool at times.

And FYI, Canelo is bigger than Golovkin.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
LOL, Dirrell hasn't fought anyone resembling a legit fighter since Abraham. No possible reason for him not to be "tarnished" in my eyes. if he ever fights someone with a pulse I think he will mentally implode again. If he doesn't, I'll happily reevaluate his place in the sport.

No question Dirrell would run for his life against Golovkin, and when he got hit he would bitch right out of the ring.

He is good actor. I wonder if Dirrell would have time to look over at the ref in between taking a shot from Golovkin and having convulsions on the canvas.

Ricky_ wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
LOL, Dirrell hasn't fought anyone resembling a legit fighter since Abraham. No possible reason for him not to be "tarnished" in my eyes. if he ever fights someone with a pulse I think he will mentally implode again. If he doesn't, I'll happily reevaluate his place in the sport.

No question Dirrell would run for his life against Golovkin, and when he got hit he would bitch right out of the ring.

He is good actor. I wonder if Dirrell would have time to look over at the ref in between taking a shot from Golovkin and having convulsions on the canvas.

He's a shitty actor, just had an idiotic audience. Fakest thing I've ever seen in the ring. He'd have convulsions just looking at a video of Golovkin.

Duffus91 wrote:I'd like to see Kirkland in against GGG.

Yes, he's chinny. But he wouldn't simply cover up against Golovkin. For me it's all about initiative with GGG. All his opponents thus far seem to fall into the same traps he sets. He's a killer on the ropes. Kirkland wouldn't simply cover up against him and would ask some questions IMO.

A chinny fighter against Golovkin? It would be an act of sheer cruelty making that match up. Regardless of what challenges his style might present GGG.

If I'm a "tool" for thinking Dirrell gives GGG his 2nd toughest fight then I guess I'm a tool then.

Do people still use that word?

Anyway back on course. Canelo campaigns at 154 lbs. I don't think it's a stretch to assume a guy who outboxed Carl Froch can give GGG a tougher fight than a light middleweight. And no I won't get emotional and call you a "tool" if you don't agree. I just, ya know, won't agree.

I don't know what the hell has been going on with Andre Dirrell the last couple yrs, I'm just going to assume he's going to fight more good opponents. Boxing as a whole has been stuck in the mud for awhile now so I'm not going to single out Dirrell as the only flaky bitch in the sport. I recognize his talent.

diddy wrote:If I'm a "tool" for thinking Dirrell gives GGG his 2nd toughest fight then I guess I'm a tool then.

Do people still use that word?

Anyway back on course. Canelo campaigns at 154 lbs. I don't think it's a stretch to assume a guy who outboxed Carl Froch can give GGG a tougher fight than a light middleweight. And no I won't get emotional and call you a "tool" if you don't agree. I just, ya know, won't agree.

I don't know what the hell has been going on with Andre Dirrell the last couple yrs, I'm just going to assume he's going to fight more good opponents. Boxing as a whole has been stuck in the mud for awhile now so I'm not going to single out Dirrell as the only flaky bitch in the sport. I recognize his talent.

Canelos ring weights > Golovkins ring weights.

davie wrote:A chinny fighter against Golovkin? It would be an act of sheer cruelty making that match up. Regardless of what challenges his style might present GGG.

Why would it be? The way people have jumped on this GGG hype I'm surprised he's not been tipped to knock out Klitschko.
Let's see a fighter who can throw more than one punch at a time against him and then we'll have a better idea on the guy.

diddy wrote:If I'm a "tool" for thinking Dirrell gives GGG his 2nd toughest fight then I guess I'm a tool then.

Do people still use that word?

Anyway back on course. Canelo campaigns at 154 lbs. I don't think it's a stretch to assume a guy who outboxed Carl Froch can give GGG a tougher fight than a light middleweight. And no I won't get emotional and call you a "tool" if you don't agree. I just, ya know, won't agree.

I don't know what the hell has been going on with Andre Dirrell the last couple yrs, I'm just going to assume he's going to fight more good opponents. Boxing as a whole has been stuck in the mud for awhile now so I'm not going to single out Dirrell as the only flaky bitch in the sport. I recognize his talent.

LOL, you're a tool for asking me whom I think would be tougher opposition than Dirrell and then going into reasons why those fights are unlikely when the two guys you listed are unlikelier than any of them at the moment. Then you say it's a discussion about 168 when that wasn't the case. It's vintage you. Though I understand when you talk about Ward the blood rushes out of your brain.