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diddy wrote:But he won't beat Ward so it will be moot.

crow wrote:

diddy wrote:But he won't beat Ward so it will be moot.

How would you know ?
Hopkins doesn't pack glass in that chin, does he ?

crow wrote:This sums it up pretty well:

"Andre might have some skills and quality's we haven't seen yet, he does know how to win, but as it stands, I think Golovkin wins this.

His offense is just too good, you can't even practice for it.
He hits very accurately, frequently, and HARD! Plus he cuts off the ring like no other.

Ward will do his best to neutralize this offense, but there will be times where he is going to get hit harder and more frequently than ever.

If Ward had an amazing chin, or devastating firepower, he could weather the storm, or put Golovkin down - But Ward has an average chin and ordinary power.

Ward cannot win this fight at range, with guys like Frock and Kessler, he could use their nervous energy to feint and setup his shots while timing or tying up anything they tried to muster. Golovkin is in a league above these guys and he has the confidence to dictate the fight.

Ward's only chance is to smother Golovkin on the inside and keep him from getting leverage on his big fight ending shots. Ward is great on the inside, but so is Golovkin. He wastes very little energy in the clenches, and people don't try to hold him after a couple of times because he gets the best of it by throwing short powerful shots that seem to hurt people. The guy is amazingly strong, and I think he will be able to hurt Ward on the inside. "

fergusg wrote:Andre Ward would probably need a couple of warm-up fights to clear his ring rust before considering taking this bout, but I believe that he has the youth, the size, the physical attributes, the skills, the confidence and the experience to overcome the challenge posed by Gennady Golovkin.

Ward is a bit of a spoiler, because he is willing to do whatever it takes to defeat Golovkin… and he has proven his versatility to adapt to almost any situation.

Golovkin has underrated boxing skills and I’m sure that the cumulative effect of Ward’s punches will compel him to fight in a much more of a defensive and technical manner, so this contest will be more of a chess match than many may think.

We haven’t seen Golovkin fully utilise his exquisite boxing skills for quite some time… and he may even be more skilled in this aspect of the sport than the majority Ward’s previous opponents, so I don’t expect this to be a trench-warfare type bout.

That being said, I still feel that GGG would need to increase his workrate, land his bombs often and work towards forcing the stoppage in order to defeat Andre Ward, which I simply cannot see him doing at this point in time.

I believe that Andre Ward would emerge victorious by gaining a comfortable decision victory over his smaller opponent, but it wouldn’t surprise me if GGG manages to hurt S.O.G. on at least a couple of occasions during the course of twelve intriguing rounds.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: So you're basically saying that Golovkin is unbeatable effectively - this despite the fact that he's yet to face a single world class fighter. Yes, his shots hurt people, but he's beating guys that are some way off of world class - world class fighters are harder to hit, and hit back, they don't just stand there like a punchbag.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Strong as Golovkin is, Ward is stronger - he's also a former collegiate wrestler, with fantastic skills on the inside, where he smothers his opponent's work and pulls them off balance.

fergusg wrote:Andre Ward would probably need a couple of warm-up fights to clear his ring rust before considering taking this bout, but I believe that he has the youth, the size, the physical attributes, the skills, the confidence and the experience to overcome the challenge posed by Gennady Golovkin.

crow wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: So you're basically saying that Golovkin is unbeatable effectively - this despite the fact that he's yet to face a single world class fighter. Yes, his shots hurt people, but he's beating guys that are some way off of world class - world class fighters are harder to hit, and hit back, they don't just stand there like a punchbag.

1. World class fighters like Froch ( Ward's best win, by the way) are on the record they don't want anything to do with GGG.
Yet, Froch has talked Ward rematch for more than 2 years.
What gives, when world class fighters like him look for Andre but not for him ( a smaller man , by the way) ?
2. Geale was world class, known for his elusiveness and mouvement.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Strong as Golovkin is, Ward is stronger - he's also a former collegiate wrestler, with fantastic skills on the inside, where he smothers his opponent's work and pulls them off balance.

Google GGG vs Dirrell, amateurs.
Dirrell was bigger, more athletic, and faster than GGG. But he couldn't stand in front of GGG for more than 2 rds, and then he went on his bicycle.
Ward doesn't have Dirrell's athletic abilities , nor his punch or chin.

So, yes, i like GGG's chances quite a lot in this match.

crow wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: So you're basically saying that Golovkin is unbeatable effectively - this despite the fact that he's yet to face a single world class fighter. Yes, his shots hurt people, but he's beating guys that are some way off of world class - world class fighters are harder to hit, and hit back, they don't just stand there like a punchbag.

1. World class fighters like Froch ( Ward's best win, by the way) are on the record they don't want anything to do with GGG.
Yet, Froch has talked Ward rematch for more than 2 years.
What gives, when world class fighters like him look for Andre but not for him ( a smaller man , by the way) ?
2. Geale was world class, known for his elusiveness and mouvement.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Strong as Golovkin is, Ward is stronger - he's also a former collegiate wrestler, with fantastic skills on the inside, where he smothers his opponent's work and pulls them off balance.

Google GGG vs Dirrell, amateurs.
Dirrell was bigger, more athletic, and faster than GGG. But he couldn't stand in front of GGG for more than 2 rds, and then he went on his bicycle.
Ward doesn't have Dirrell's athletic abilities , nor his punch or chin.

So, yes, i like GGG's chances quite a lot in this match.

jas80s wrote:To extrapolate anything that Golovkin might do against Ward based on what he has done against: Macklin, Geale, Rubio, and the like is simply impossible. Ward is any combination of: Bigger, faster, stronger, and better than those guys. With most of them, he is all of those things.

Golovkin looks sensational, and I do not denigrate his resume at all. In this day and age, it's perfectly fine and he will no doubt continue to step up to tougher challenges as his notoriety grows. But, Ward would be a massive step up, simply massive. We are talking about easily the number one guy in the next weight class up, good lord, tough assignment. So, I think it's beyond hard to say how he would fare. He may continue doing largely what he has been doing, but he might easily be flummoxed by a crafty, fast, strong fighter who is bigger than him naturally, no way to know until he gets in there with someone THAT good.

Having said that, the greatest compliment I can give GGG is this...... let's see it! This guy needs the toughest assignment we can find because he is wrecking terrific fighters his size right now... Don't think we'll see it, but I would certainly be up for it.

jas80s wrote:To extrapolate anything that Golovkin might do against Ward based on what he has done against: Macklin, Geale, Rubio, and the like is simply impossible. Ward is any combination of: Bigger, faster, stronger, and better than those guys. With most of them, he is all of those things.

Golovkin looks sensational, and I do not denigrate his resume at all. In this day and age, it's perfectly fine and he will no doubt continue to step up to tougher challenges as his notoriety grows. But, Ward would be a massive step up, simply massive. We are talking about easily the number one guy in the next weight class up, good lord, tough assignment. So, I think it's beyond hard to say how he would fare. He may continue doing largely what he has been doing, but he might easily be flummoxed by a crafty, fast, strong fighter who is bigger than him naturally, no way to know until he gets in there with someone THAT good.

Having said that, the greatest compliment I can give GGG is this...... let's see it! This guy needs the toughest assignment we can find because he is wrecking terrific fighters his size right now... Don't think we'll see it, but I would certainly be up for it.