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fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Cry, bitch, cry. You just can't take it that Golovkin brings excitement and demolishes his opponents, while Floyd is boring as hell and barely escaped a loss from the limited fighter like Maidana.

There’s no denying that Gennady Golovkin is an exciting fighter to watch, but it seems rather silly to compare GGG to the likes of Mayweather, especially since it’s an irrefutable fact that Floyd's most recent opponent is Marcos Maidana, who himself is technically far more accomplished than the Kazakhstani middleweight.

Marcos Maidana has:
• Won genuine versions of world titles in two weight divisions
• Has actually won a genuine world title by defeating a champion inside the ring
• Has fought quite a few world champions, such as: Andriy Kotelnik; Victor Ortiz; DeMarcus Corley; Amir Khan; Erik Morales; Devon Alexander; Adrien Broner; and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
• Has frequently competed against fighters that were ranked within the top-three of his own weight division (as per ESPN & Ring Magazine)
• Three of his fights were against men that were universally regarded (at the time) as top-ten pound-for-pounders
• Holds a victory over a former top-ten pound-for-pounder (Adrien Broner)

Gennady Golovkin has:
• Many of his “world title” fights were not for genuine (or main) versions of belts from the big four governing bodies (as he was either the “interim” or “regular” WBA champ)
• Has only defeated one former 160lb world champion
• Has never won a genuine version of a world title inside the ring (he won the “interim” belt, was subsequently elevated to “regular” champ and then promoted to “super” world champion)
• Has never defeated a universally-ranked top-three middleweight fighter

Look… I feel that Gennady Golovkin is a fantastic fighter… and I’m not trying to suggest that Marcos Maidana is better than him, but I feel that all the GGG hysteria has escalated to preposterous levels… so we should try to be a little more objective when evaluating his victories in the context of the calibre of opponents he’s faced!

fergusg wrote:@Purse Bid Shakedown – I understand that you don’t like me. In fact, I even applaud your honesty. That said, you’re allowing your hatred to blind you from the irrefutable facts that I have claimed.

So let me try to dismantle some of the bizarre things you’ve claimed:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:What is it with you and bad facts?

Well… if you want to talk about facts:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Maidana has never won a genuine JWW title… Remember he barely got by a very shot, chubby, one eyed Morales for a vacant interim title, then got promoted to regular.

You’re correct! However, Maidana’s reign at light welterweight mirrors Golovkin’s (as they both held the "regular" versions of the WBA title). So does this mean you are supporting a stance that Golovkin has only been involved in two genuine world middleweight title fights? You can’t have it both ways?

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:He did beat a titlist at WW, but we all know Broner was a joke of a titlist.

Adrien Broner was ranked 9th in the pound-for-pound rankings and also held a legitimate version of a world title.

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:3 fights with consensus p4pers?

Madiana had one fight with Broner and two fights against Mayweather. Am I correct in believing that: 1 + 2 = 3?

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Bud, Broner was not p4p most anywhere but in Chuck Giampa's paid for ratings. Remember these are the rankings that had Canelo p4p before Floyd, and left him in after that fiasco.

Are you saying that the Ring Magazine ratings and champions are redundant? Didn’t you cite the value of the Ring Magazine when you argued against me on another thread about the amount of world titles that Manny Pacquiao won?

I’m not being hypocritical, merely stating facts, whereas you supported the Ring Magazine in another thread but now undermine them in this thread to fulfil your own agenda.You simply cannot have your cake and eat it!

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Maidana… never beaten a top 5 guy at any weight.

Maidana defeated Adrien Broner… and let’s not forget what I actually claimed:

fergusg wrote:[Maidana] has frequently competed against fighters that were ranked within the top-three of his own weight division (as per ESPN & Ring Magazine)

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Maidana…has 2 top ten level wins over the two biggest hypejobs in recent memory, OTOH losses to Kotelnik, Khan (doing almost as well as Julio Diaz), and a shutout loss to Alexander.

Say whatever you want, but it’s impossible to deny that Marcos Maidana has not only fought the best fighters in his weight-class, many of whom have held world titles, but has earned the right to be considered as the sixth best welterweight on the planet, despite having lost his most recent bouts to Floyd Mayweather.

Let’s not forget another important fact, shall we? Here’s what I actually said in my original post:

fergusg wrote:Look… I feel that Gennady Golovkin is a fantastic fighter… and I’m not trying to suggest that Marcos Maidana is better than him, but I feel that all the GGG hysteria has escalated to preposterous levels… so we should try to be a little more objective when evaluating his victories in the context of the calibre of opponents he’s faced!

Therefore, I feel I presented the facts in an objective manner, to illustrate a point about the calibre of opposition that Floyd faces is much better than those poor souls that get destroyed by Gennady Golovkin.

Is my post really that unreasonable?

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:And once again no, Broner was not universally p4p, not with transnational/espn/BS. And he wasn't a consensus top 5 at welter, nor should have been for only struggling past a fringe top tenner Paulie.

Don't guess or make assumptions... prove it!

I listed facts, which you knew I could support with evidence. Let me see what you're capable of?

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

fergusg wrote: Don't guess or make assumptions... prove it!

I listed facts, which you knew I could support with evidence. Let me see what you're capable of?

https://web.archive.org/web/20131121083 ... d-rankings
https://web.archive.org/web/20131108024 ... b.org/p4p/
https://web.archive.org/web/20131206221 ... p?pg=pound

This is not hard, I already told another poster to use wayback machine. Or you could just use common sense to know Broner was not p4p. Same exercise with top 5 at welter.

Incomplete. Read your ENTIRE quote and back it up.

Even if you can, the statements I made are factually correct.

• Three of his fights were against men that were universally regarded (at the time) as top-ten pound-for-pounders

Madiana had one fight with Broner and two fights against Mayweather. Am I correct in believing that: 1 + 2 = 3?

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote: Hey jacka$$, do your own research, I just gave you the means. You'll find that Broner was not top 5 with the Ring/tbrb/scene, but was at espn So you're pretty much always wrong: Maidana didn't win 2 genuine belts, Broner was not consensus p4p, not consensus top 5 ww (giving Maidana 0 wins over top 5 fighters), wrong about Pac's lineal titles, you name it.

You've side-stepped all my claims and you didn't back yours up.

fergusg wrote:

crusader wrote:Pay harder attention to your own arguments fergy.

• Three of his fights were against men that were universally regarded (at the time) as top-ten pound-for-pounders

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:
3 fights with consensus p4pers?

Madiana had one fight with Broner and two fights against Mayweather. Am I correct in believing that: 1 + 2 = 3?

I'll concede that Broner wasn't universally considered as a P4P fighter, but Ring Magazine, which your trolling buddy supported quite vigorously on another thread, justifies my claim that three of Maidana's fights were against P4P opposition.

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote: I didn't sidestep them, I made a mockery of them. I'll enumerate:

1. Maidana didnt win 2 genuine titles. You were wrong
2. Broner was not consensus p4p. Quite fringe in fact
3. Broner was not consensus top 5 welter
4. Maidana has a 2-5 record against top 10 level comp, with no consensus top 5 wins
5. You don't understand lineal or Ring belts. You'r ignorant of what happened at the Ring since Oscar bought it
...

Were there any other claims you wanted me to debunk?

I supplied a detailed response to your first post but you have not addressed each point. You're selective, because you're unable to supply valud counter arguments.

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote: And every single response debunked. Remember you invested multiple paragraphs in extolling Adrien Broner's p4p standing before you had to take it back

You've put all your eggs in one basket, haven't you? You really refuse to address everything I say?

ikorolev wrote:

NateJR wrote:

ikorolev wrote:@floydsdicksucker

You shouldn't be so worried. Floyd knows that he would get his ass kicked by GGG and possibly Thurman too, so there is no chance he will risk his precious 0.

You arguments are ridiculous: Maidana with 3 losses pre-Floyd is somehow more proven than GGG ??? The only thing he has proven is that he is a limited and beatable fighter.

Yeah, actually he is much more proven than GGG. Madaina was undefeated until he fought a very good fighter in Amir Khan, which was his first loss. Khan is a much better fighter than anyone GGG has fought, easily (not even debatable). Devon Alexander, Adrien Broner, Victor Ortiz, Floyd Mayweather are all better fighters than anyone GGG has faced as a professional. Your argument is just plain stupid logic if you think because GGG has beaten a bunch of C level fighters in one of the weakest divisions in boxing and he's knocking them out that he's proven more than guys who have fought some of the best and have a couple losses. That's not how it works you dumb ass.

Retards like yourself are trying to say that GGG is better Marvin Hagler now lmao. Listen to yourselves, you're off your hinges. You sir are the moron of the month, us as a boxrec community should make you a plaque.

Cry, bitch, cry. You just can't take it that Golovkin brings excitement and demolishes his opponents, while Floyd is boring as hell and barely escaped a loss from the limited fighter like Maidana.