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Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 13 Nov 2014, 21:53
by KBB
ikorolev wrote:KBB, you are also a liar ! The only reason I was talking about Kovalev is that you introduced him and another fighter you like to pick at:
KBB wrote:
Somebody should've told you that you are so barking up the wrong tree on this forum coming at Manny Pacquiao, there are two other fighters you can't say anything bad about on this forum besides him that 99.9% of the people will jump all over you for:
Kovalev
GGG
I didn't lie about anything, yes I mentioned Kovalev but I only used him as an example that people like you get all defensive of which you are proving exactly what I said by getting all defensive just because Kovalev's name was mentioned.
If I'm a Liar then you're an Idiot who proved exactly what I said to the OP in the first place.
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 13 Nov 2014, 22:25
by ikorolev
KBB wrote:I mentioned Kovalev but I only used him as an example that people like you get all defensive of which you are proving exactly what I said by getting all defensive just because Kovalev's name was mentioned.
Nobody gets defensive when reasonable things are said, but when some crap like quotes from you above is being said, of course you will get smashed.
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 13 Nov 2014, 22:49
by ikorolev
Fergusg, you are f4cking amazingly stubborn. You keep insisting that Bradley who walks at 170+ is smaller than Pac who probably never reached 155.
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 13 Nov 2014, 22:51
by JCS
clopixolacuphase wrote:Is fergusg Rover?
No, I don't think so.
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 13 Nov 2014, 23:19
by armageto
hoagylt wrote:" Because Manny started his career at Light Heavyweight?
I believe Bradley and Algeri both opened up their careers at Welter." WTF???????????????? Manny was a Flyweight.
That was sarcasm, sorry that you missed it. Basically, with Manny starting his career at a really low weight class, how many fightyer that he has faced are really smaller guys? As I stated before, Bradley and Algeri started at Welter.
I browsed the pages quick, I've stood next to Algeri. He is a little shorter than me, and I'm almost 6'1.
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 10:42
by Ricky_
fergusg wrote:Ricky_ wrote:The side-by-side photo shows the fighters scaled to about the same size but that's irrelevant - the conditioning is relevant, which you can clearly see, the pics aren't taken from the back of a hall on a cell phone, they are press pictures.
Height is irrelevant.
Weight is only relevant when it's in tandem with conditioning.
That last part seems to be where you start to struggle like a child trying to get to grips with adding or subtracting having only just learned to count.
Eric Morales weighed 142lb in his fight vs Danny Garcia, who weighed in at 139.5lb. Who was bigger? Garcia ofcourse, because he's a young kid, extremely lean, and dehydrates 10+ lb in the last day or 2 leading up to the fight. Morales was fat and old. Pacquiao isn't conditioned at welterweight, Bradley on the other hand has some of the best conditioning i've ever seen. He's what you'd call competition-ready at 147lb, shredded and lean. His skeleton, body composition, muscularly, etc... all much bigger than Pacquiao. You should learn about size instead of bringing up height in every post... on a boxing forum, you're making a damn fool of yourself. Have some laughing faces since you love them so much
Blah, blah, blah... You can't supply any evidence to support your stance... so you recite a lengthy, tedious and inarticulate fairytale that contains the same amount of relevant facts as the Lord of the Rings!
A photograph is "evidence". You don't have a clue about size. Duran outweighed Hearns when they fought, that must make Duran the bigger man going by your "evidence". Oh no wait, Hearns is taller... so that must be wreaking havoc with your brain! Maybe Duran being heavier and Hearns being taller cancel each other out and they are the same size? You don't know what your talking about when it comes to weight (you're not the only one, some idiot made a thread about Floyd vs Ward @ 160 last week), you'd do well to stick to discussing entrance music, matchups you'd like to see or the color of trunks you like, etc.
Not sure about that?
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 10:59
by Crease
Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
I might be wrong about this, but as best as I can remember in has went something like this (since losing to JMM)
1. He beat Brandon Rios to win the WBO International Title, and more important to become the WBO Mandatory Chaellenger.
2. Bradley was forced to fight him or be stripped of his Title, and so the fight went ahead and Pacquaio soundly beat him.
3. His upcoming fight against Chris Algieri is his mandatory title defence...
I'm pretty confident that the above information is accurate, so how exactly is Pacman taking an "easy route"?
Re: Not sure about that?
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 14:49
by KBB
Crease wrote:Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
I might be wrong about this, but as best as I can remember in has went something like this (since losing to JMM)
1. He beat Brandon Rios to win the WBO International Title, and more important to become the WBO Mandatory Chaellenger.
2. Bradley was forced to fight him or be stripped of his Title, and so the fight went ahead and Pacquaio soundly beat him.
3. His upcoming fight against Chris Algieri is his mandatory title defence...
I'm pretty confident that the above information is accurate, so how exactly is Pacman taking an "easy route"?
I think the OP was saying the "easy route" in regards to this: there are more dangerous fighters (though they may not be ranked as high or have belts/titles) and the fighters he has been facing since the JMM loss aren't big punchers who can put him to sleep with one shot like JMM was able to.
I agree to an extent (in regards to bigger punchers who present more danger) but I don't agree to the extent that MP is doing what he is required to do in order to keep his belt/titles intact.
Sure everyone would love to see him face Floyd (not a big puncher but more skilled than the rest) but still others believe that fights with punchers like Thurman, Maidana or a fighter like Porter who would bring it to him are more of a threat than Bradley, Algieri and Rios.
I think MP has done a great job in taking down Bradley a P4P at the time but I really didn't see Rios as much of a challenge, Algieri may not have a big name or big punch but he is highly skilled and is a tall fighter with a longer reach that should or will give Manny problems.
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 16:59
by Bobbyptsd
This thread is four pages long.
Four pages. About 35 year old eight division world title holder and current wleterweight champion Manny Pacquiao. Taking the safe route.
Four pages.
Fvck.
Re: Not sure about that?
Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 11:16
by Crease
KBB wrote:I think the OP was saying the "easy route" in regards to this: there are more dangerous fighters
But that argument could be made of 99% of the boxers today, I don't see why this point is being made solely to discredit Pacquaio's achievements over the past year.
Just for example:
I could discredit Miguel Cotto because he has not fought Gennady Golovkin.
I could discredit Adonis Stevenson for not fighting Sergey Kovalev.
etc.....
Basically you could rip down any top modern fighter.
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 15:29
by jamesmcdonnell
The trouble is, nobody is expecting this guy to trouble Pacman, and so they are dissatisfied, people forget that fighters have a finite amount to give, they cannot be in life or death wars every single fight - and let's not forget, it's not THAT long ago he was absolutely iced by Marquez.
Algieri is his mandatory, nothing wrong with that, it's not like he's fighting the welterweight equivalent of Pete Radamacher is it?
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 17:20
by Rodian
Bobbyptsd wrote:This thread is four pages long.
Four pages. About 35 year old eight division world title holder and current wleterweight champion Manny Pacquiao. Taking the safe route.
Four pages.
Fvck.
yes a guy whos been boxing since 16 years old.....he's been a boxer for 20 fornicating years......holy SH*T....hope he doesnt get brain damage when he's 50
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 19 Nov 2014, 00:50
by Badhusker
No, the problem is, that Manny Pacquiao has been put on the level of Floyd Mayweather for years now, but is not held to the same standard it seems. "Pactards" still claim he will beat Mayweather, but in the same breath advocate banning anyone watching a fight between Floyd and Maidana? Pac vs Algeri? Seriously? Talk about a joke of a fight and one that should be banned....
Manny won't fight Floyd's recent opponents like Cotto, Maidana, Canelo, but is ok with going with the smaller guys. Pac has fought 140 lbers for the last 4 or 5 fights.
Now Arum is talking crap about a possible fight between the two............and, at the same time putting up the first road block saying it has to be at Dallas Stadium. Go figure. Hope Manny doesn't have a cut that needs 6 months to heal again.
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 19 Nov 2014, 11:36
by KBB
Badhusker wrote:No, the problem is, that Manny Pacquiao has been put on the level of Floyd Mayweather for years now, but is not held to the same standard it seems. "Pactards" still claim he will beat Mayweather, but in the same breath advocate banning anyone watching a fight between Floyd and Maidana? Pac vs Algeri? Seriously? Talk about a joke of a fight and one that should be banned....
Manny won't fight Floyd's recent opponents like Cotto, Maidana, Canelo, but is ok with going with the smaller guys. Pac has fought 140 lbers for the last 4 or 5 fights.
Now Arum is talking crap about a possible fight between the two............and, at the same time putting up the first road block saying it has to be at Dallas Stadium. Go figure. Hope Manny doesn't have a cut that needs 6 months to heal again.
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 19 Nov 2014, 14:44
by Crease
Badhusker wrote:No, the problem is, that Manny Pacquiao has been put on the level of Floyd Mayweather for years now
Is it really so outlandish that the boxing fans want to see the top two P4Pers in the world fight each other? What exactly do you find wrong with that?
Badhusker wrote:"Pactards" still claim he will beat Mayweather, but in the same breath advocate banning anyone watching a fight between Floyd and Maidana? Pac vs Algeri?
You are generalising. Not all Pacquaio fans share the same opinions. I'm a big Pacquao fan, but in my view Floyd would be the favourite going in to the fight.
Badhusker wrote:Manny won't fight Floyd's recent opponents like Cotto
You do realise that Pacquaio has already beaten Cotto? And give him a sound thrashing to boot.
Badhusker wrote:Now Arum is talking crap about a possible fight between the two
Well... He is Pacman's Manager, why wouldn't he try to line up a fight against Mayweather?
Re: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
Posted: 19 Nov 2014, 16:58
by KBB
Well... He is Pacman's Manager, why wouldn't he try to line up a fight against Mayweather?
Ask Alex Ariza why? I often wondered why is it that Manny and Floyd wants the fight but Arum does his all to ensure the fight never happens.