Arum turns down Mayweather fight offer?

[jamesmcdonnell]

God what an imbecile - !

The fact is, Floyds PPV fights are doing WAY better figures than Pacman - outside of the phillipines, Pacman is fading from memory, and in his last fight against an elite opponent, he got knocked completely cold - the thing which made him compelling was the destructive KO's, but he hasn't had one since 2010 - and he just isn't as bankable as he once was.

Floyd doesn't actually need Pacman any more, he is making a fortune every time he fights, due to the deal he brokered with his broadcaster, he could fight on without every

If Arum thinks that 40% plus a share of PPV is a bad offer, then let him find a fight for Pacman that is going to make him anywhere near that money.

Arum basically isn't interested no matter how much is offered, it's become personal, and he will never do a deal with Mayweather, simple as that.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Or maybe Arum tries to do something bigger:

http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/11/17/7 ... lion-fight

That's pretty interesting. $1bn is a hell of a figure to shoot for, half of that would be an amazing success. If anyone can pull it off though it' Arum, he understands Pacquiao is the biggest sportstar globally since Ali so to truly maximise revenue he has to expose other continents. Time difference's could be a real problem though, Asia is the other side of the planet.

Err.... if he is so HUGE, then how come Mayweather is doing bigger PPV numbers, and earning way more per fight?

[Tomasino]

Or maybe Arum tries to do something bigger:

http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/11/17/7 ... lion-fight

That's pretty interesting. $1bn is a hell of a figure to shoot for, half of that would be an amazing success. If anyone can pull it off though it' Arum, he understands Pacquiao is the biggest sportstar globally since Ali so to truly maximise revenue he has to expose other continents. Time difference's could be a real problem though, Asia is the other side of the planet.

Err.... if he is so HUGE, then how come Mayweather is doing bigger PPV numbers, and earning way more per fight?

Honestly she must work for top rank cleaning the executive bogs or as the janitors 'friend'.

[Dacian93]

Rafael said in this friday's chat that it was 40 million with no upside. Same ol bull.

[Rodian]

arent these talks between the networks? Floyd doesnt want the fight, so stop trying to blame Arum and Pacquiao, its getting real old at this point. Whatever offer "refused", i'm pretty sure was complete BS, just like all Floyd offers.

Duck Boy is scared of getting his ass handed to him by a 3rd world midget

[jamesmcdonnell]

No, these talks are between Arum and Mayweather essentially - Top Rank fighters will not fight Mayweather, not anyone associated with Mayweather's promotional outfit, so long as Arum Draws breath, - it doesn't matter which network it is on.

The purses may be paid in large part by networks, but they do not represent fighters, at least, not so often these days.

[Ricky_]

Err.... if he is so HUGE, then how come Mayweather is doing bigger PPV numbers, and earning way more per fight?

Doing bigger PPV numbers according to who, himself? Showtime PPV numbers are private and not a matter for public record. All anyone has to go on is insider info and twitter murmerings, which if are true, Mayweather in his bouts vs Guerrero & Maidana flopped, selling under 1m and made a loss. Canelo did very well. So what does that tell you? People are only interested in watching Mayweather when he has a genuine opponent. He thinks he's a draw that pulls numbers on his own, but he's no Tyson, DeLaHoya or Pacquiao, (who holds the record for most consecutive 1m+ buys in a row). Mayweather is only famous in the USA, Pacquiao is a much bigger global star. Asia has a population of 4.4bn > USA 316m.

Like i said, Floyd Mayweather has no opponent, and no promoter. If Arum offers to make the fight and pay him 50%, he'd be insane to reject that.

[Rodian]

Showtime might beg Floyd to fight Pac, but it isnt happening. The brotha is a straight up punk coward. Manny's in China, so I guess they can call Floyd a "PEKING DUCK"

Cant stand punks like Floyd being the so called face of boxing, its an embarrassment.

[Ricky_]

If you’re claiming that Mayweather’s PPV’s have failed, due to receiving less than one million buys, because he isn’t fighting “genuine” opponents, what does that say about Canelo and Cotto, who both averaged around 350K buys for their previous bouts?

Not entirely sure of the relevance their but Mayweather's PPV's failed because they made losses. It's been well reported that 1m mark was the break even figure, over & above was profit, less was a loss. I'm sure overall Showtime are in profit thanks to the Canelo fight compensating for the <1m numbers posted vs Guerrero & Maidana 1 & 2. Floyd isn't a 1m+ draw on his own, like Tyson was for instance.


Like i've been saying, Floyd has nowhere else to go now really. He could pick an opponent like Brook or Thurman, ask GoldenBoy to promote it for him, and maybe get something similar to the Guerrero numbers of 850k if the public aren't stone-dead bored with Floyd by now, and he can pocket his $30m guarantee or whatever it is he gets, stink the joint out, rinse, & repeat. I only seeing him topping 1m buys if Khan beats Alexander convincingly or he rematches Cotto.

[Trunzo]

Not entirely sure of the relevance their but Mayweather's PPV's failed because they made losses. It's been well reported that 1m mark was the break even figure, over & above was profit, less was a loss. I'm sure overall Showtime are in profit thanks to the Canelo fight compensating for the <1m numbers posted vs Guerrero & Maidana 1 & 2. Floyd isn't a 1m+ draw on his own, like Tyson was for instance.


Like i've been saying, Floyd has nowhere else to go now really. He could pick an opponent like Brook or Thurman, ask GoldenBoy to promote it for him, and maybe get something similar to the Guerrero numbers of 850k if the public aren't stone-dead bored with Floyd by now, and he can pocket his $30m guarantee or whatever it is he gets, stink the joint out, rinse, & repeat. I only seeing him topping 1m buys if Khan beats Alexander convincingly or he rematches Cotto.

Out of curiousity, do you know what Pacquiao has been selling recently? Because its way less than 850k.

[Ricky_]

Not entirely sure of the relevance their but Mayweather's PPV's failed because they made losses. It's been well reported that 1m mark was the break even figure, over & above was profit, less was a loss. I'm sure overall Showtime are in profit thanks to the Canelo fight compensating for the <1m numbers posted vs Guerrero & Maidana 1 & 2. Floyd isn't a 1m+ draw on his own, like Tyson was for instance.


Like i've been saying, Floyd has nowhere else to go now really. He could pick an opponent like Brook or Thurman, ask GoldenBoy to promote it for him, and maybe get something similar to the Guerrero numbers of 850k if the public aren't stone-dead bored with Floyd by now, and he can pocket his $30m guarantee or whatever it is he gets, stink the joint out, rinse, & repeat. I only seeing him topping 1m buys if Khan beats Alexander convincingly or he rematches Cotto.

Out of curiousity, do you know what Pacquiao has been selling recently? Because its way less than 850k.

No, but i'm sure it less than 1m. Rios & Algieri aren't good opponents for numbers, but Arum is playing a long game by going to Macau. People forget that Mayweather's success is built off of Arums long game strategy for him, matching him against Latino fighters. Floyd's built a sellable, controversial celebrity persona, but he's no promoter.

[Ricky_]

If you’re claiming that Mayweather’s PPV’s have failed, due to receiving less than one million buys, because he isn’t fighting “genuine” opponents, what does that say about Canelo and Cotto, who both averaged around 350K buys for their previous bouts?

Not entirely sure of the relevance their but Mayweather's PPV's failed because they made losses. It's been well reported that 1m mark was the break even figure, over & above was profit, less was a loss. I'm sure overall Showtime are in profit thanks to the Canelo fight compensating for the <1m numbers posted vs Guerrero & Maidana 1 & 2. Floyd isn't a 1m+ draw on his own, like Tyson was for instance.


Like i've been saying, Floyd has nowhere else to go now really. He could pick an opponent like Brook or Thurman, ask GoldenBoy to promote it for him, and maybe get something similar to the Guerrero numbers of 850k if the public aren't stone-dead bored with Floyd by now, and he can pocket his $30m guarantee or whatever it is he gets, stink the joint out, rinse, & repeat. I only seeing him topping 1m buys if Khan beats Alexander convincingly or he rematches Cotto.

Out of interest, do you have any links that supply information of the revenues received & the costs incurred from PPV events that illustrate the losses that you claim Showtime has made televising Mayweather’s fights?

Do i have access to Showtime's accounts? No. Only reports from Journalists like Dan who claim to be in the know.

Here's a video of Ellerbe refusing to answer why Floyd vs Maidana fell short, enjoy.

http://video-embed.mlive.com/services/p ... F46WvPiWEP

[KBB]

arent these talks between the networks? Floyd doesnt want the fight, so stop trying to blame Arum and Pacquiao, its getting real old at this point. Whatever offer "refused", i'm pretty sure was complete BS, just like all Floyd offers.

Duck Boy is scared of getting his ass handed to him by a 3rd world midget

You're just like Arum, you talk too much crap and have nothing to back it up with:


http://thaboxingvoice.com/stephen-espin ... ssed/35368

[Ricky_]

Pacquiao is the biggest sportstar globally since Ali

:!:

That's your best post so far, a wall of laughing faces, sure beats when you talk about height. Try harder.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Err.... if he is so HUGE, then how come Mayweather is doing bigger PPV numbers, and earning way more per fight?

Doing bigger PPV numbers according to who, himself? Showtime PPV numbers are private and not a matter for public record. All anyone has to go on is insider info and twitter murmerings, which if are true, Mayweather in his bouts vs Guerrero & Maidana flopped, selling under 1m and made a loss. Canelo did very well. So what does that tell you? People are only interested in watching Mayweather when he has a genuine opponent. He thinks he's a draw that pulls numbers on his own, but he's no Tyson, DeLaHoya or Pacquiao, (who holds the record for most consecutive 1m+ buys in a row). Mayweather is only famous in the USA, Pacquiao is a much bigger global star. Asia has a population of 4.4bn > USA 316m.

Like i said, Floyd Mayweather has no opponent, and no promoter. If Arum offers to make the fight and pay him 50%, he'd be insane to reject that.

Most of the population in Asia are piss poor, many of them don't even have a TV - let alone the money to pay for a PPV - also boxing isn't big in many of the Asian countries - in the phillipines, many people work for a dollar a day - do you think you will sell many PPV there?

If the Asian market is so humungous, then how come this is the first big fight that Manny is having in Asia, since his breakout win against Barrera? He's not even fought in his home country! Boxing, as a big money sport, is still in it's infancy in Asia. So let's not bang on about the Asian connection, as it's just not relevant.

There's over 1 billion people in Africa too, and in the Indian subcontinent. That doesn't make them the biggest boxing markets in the world, because the level of poverty there means that many people are just not going to have money to pay to watch fights.

All the money for boxing, is in North America and Western Europe, mainly the U.S, Germany, and the UK - those are by far the three biggest markets - they are the 3 places where big money fights can be staged, outside of that, there's not the kind of money on offer to pay the really big stars. The UK lads behind the first 2 by some way.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Not entirely sure of the relevance their but Mayweather's PPV's failed because they made losses. It's been well reported that 1m mark was the break even figure, over & above was profit, less was a loss. I'm sure overall Showtime are in profit thanks to the Canelo fight compensating for the <1m numbers posted vs Guerrero & Maidana 1 & 2. Floyd isn't a 1m+ draw on his own, like Tyson was for instance.


Like i've been saying, Floyd has nowhere else to go now really. He could pick an opponent like Brook or Thurman, ask GoldenBoy to promote it for him, and maybe get something similar to the Guerrero numbers of 850k if the public aren't stone-dead bored with Floyd by now, and he can pocket his $30m guarantee or whatever it is he gets, stink the joint out, rinse, & repeat. I only seeing him topping 1m buys if Khan beats Alexander convincingly or he rematches Cotto.

Out of curiousity, do you know what Pacquiao has been selling recently? Because its way less than 850k.

No, but i'm sure it less than 1m. Rios & Algieri aren't good opponents for numbers, but Arum is playing a long game by going to Macau. People forget that Mayweather's success is built off of Arums long game strategy for him, matching him against Latino fighters. Floyd's built a sellable, controversial celebrity persona, but he's no promoter.

All of Floyd's biggest events have come since leaving Arum, so how are you crediting Arum with his latterly highly successful career?

[Ricky_]

Most of the population in Asia are piss poor, many of them don't even have a TV - let alone the money to pay for a PPV - also boxing isn't big in many of the Asian countries - in the phillipines, many people work for a dollar a day - do you think you will sell many PPV there?

If the Asian market is so humungous, then how come this is the first big fight that Manny is having in Asia, since his breakout win against Barrera? He's not even fought in his home country! Boxing, as a big money sport, is still in it's infancy in Asia. So let's not bang on about the Asian connection, as it's just not relevant.

There's over 1 billion people in Africa too, and in the Indian subcontinent. That doesn't make them the biggest boxing markets in the world, because the level of poverty there means that many people are just not going to have money to pay to watch fights.

All the money for boxing, is in North America and Western Europe, mainly the U.S, Germany, and the UK - those are by far the three biggest markets - they are the 3 places where big money fights can be staged, outside of that, there's not the kind of money on offer to pay the really big stars. The UK lads behind the first 2 by some way.

Nice dose of ignorance there. China is neck & neck with the US for wealth/economic size. And it isn't Pac's first fight there, he fought Rios there. The real gamblers come out to play in Macau, James McDunce

[SenorPipino]

God what an imbecile - !

The fact is, Floyds PPV fights are doing WAY better figures than Pacman - outside of the phillipines, Pacman is fading from memory, and in his last fight against an elite opponent, he got knocked completely cold - the thing which made him compelling was the destructive KO's, but he hasn't had one since 2010 - and he just isn't as bankable as he once was.

Floyd doesn't actually need Pacman any more, he is making a fortune every time he fights, due to the deal he brokered with his broadcaster, he could fight on without every

If Arum thinks that 40% plus a share of PPV is a bad offer, then let him find a fight for Pacman that is going to make him anywhere near that money.

Arum basically isn't interested no matter how much is offered, it's become personal, and he will never do a deal with Mayweather, simple as that.

[SenorPipino]

Last year's Pac-Rios fight in Macau attracted just 375,000 PPV buys in the U.S. That was Manny's lowest number since he was an unknown (except to hardcore fight fans) battling Morales and JMM at featherweight and super feather.
His fight this Saturday doesn't figure to lure many viewers either...Algieri is a harder sell than Rios, who had at least appeared on numerous HBO cards and boasted a Latino fan base.

How can anyone claim that Mayweather's PPV numbers suck just because his recent fights haven't garnered 1 million? How many times did superstar de la Hoya top that figure without the aid of an elite opponent?

Mayweather is consistently outdrawing Pacquiao on the telly. The Filipino has pretty much become an afterthought since losing to Bradley and being sent to dreamland by Marquez.
If Arum wasn't being subsidized big time by the Chinese, the Algieri bout would never take place. Arum would lose his shirt.

Floyd's the main man in boxing right now and can deservedly call the shots.
The deteriorating Pacquiao should just take what's offered or he can spend the remainder of his career steering clear of danger and engaging ordinary fighters of Algieri's level.
That will really strengthen his legacy.

[Ricky_]

Last year's Pac-Rios fight in Macau attracted just 375,000 PPV buys in the U.S. That was Manny's lowest number since he was an unknown (except to hardcore fight fans) battling Morales and JMM at featherweight and super feather.
His fight this Saturday doesn't figure to lure many viewers either...Algieri is a harder sell than Rios, who had at least appeared on numerous HBO cards and boasted a Latino fan base.

How can anyone claim that Mayweather's PPV numbers suck just because his recent fights haven't garnered 1 million? How many times did superstar de la Hoya top that figure without the aid of an elite opponent?

Mayweather is consistently outdrawing Pacquiao on the telly. The Filipino has pretty much become an afterthought since losing to Bradley and being sent to dreamland by Marquez.
If Arum wasn't being subsidized big time by the Chinese, the Algieri bout would never take place. Arum would lose his shirt.

Floyd's the main man in boxing right now and can deservedly call the shots.
The deteriorating Pacquiao should just take what's offered or he can spend the remainder of his career steering clear of danger and engaging ordinary fighters of Algieri's level.
That will really strengthen his legacy.

Pacquiao's last fight (Bradley rematch) in Vegas did the same as Mayweather's bouts vs Guerrero & Maidana.

Pac-Rios did 500k buys... but the fight was in China. I think Algieri will do worse and Arum knows it, it's obvious his strategy isn't to cash cow Pacquiao in the Vegas MGM for 1m buys, or he would be throwing money at opponents in the vein of Margarito again. The strategy is using Pacquiao & Zou Shiming to break untapped Asian market.

Only a damn fool would think that Bob Arum would ever roll over and be dictated to by a small time player like Mayweather. He's just another star (with about half the drawing power of Tyson or Oscar) that's cashing out of the game in the next 12 months.

It really isn't difficult business decision, sign the contract, take 50% of the biggest fight receipt ever, the biggest purse of all time (Pacquiao wouldn't get the other 50) and let some other guy promote it and pick up the bill.

[KBB]

Last year's Pac-Rios fight in Macau attracted just 375,000 PPV buys in the U.S. That was Manny's lowest number since he was an unknown (except to hardcore fight fans) battling Morales and JMM at featherweight and super feather.
His fight this Saturday doesn't figure to lure many viewers either...Algieri is a harder sell than Rios, who had at least appeared on numerous HBO cards and boasted a Latino fan base.

How can anyone claim that Mayweather's PPV numbers suck just because his recent fights haven't garnered 1 million? How many times did superstar de la Hoya top that figure without the aid of an elite opponent?

Mayweather is consistently outdrawing Pacquiao on the telly. The Filipino has pretty much become an afterthought since losing to Bradley and being sent to dreamland by Marquez.
If Arum wasn't being subsidized big time by the Chinese, the Algieri bout would never take place. Arum would lose his shirt.

Floyd's the main man in boxing right now and can deservedly call the shots.
The deteriorating Pacquiao should just take what's offered or he can spend the remainder of his career steering clear of danger and engaging ordinary fighters of Algieri's level.
That will really strengthen his legacy.

Pacquiao's last fight (Bradley rematch) in Vegas did the same as Mayweather's bouts vs Guerrero & Maidana.

Pac-Rios did 500k buys... but the fight was in China. I think Algieri will do worse and Arum knows it, it's obvious his strategy isn't to cash cow Pacquiao in the Vegas MGM for 1m buys, or he would be throwing money at opponents in the vein of Margarito again. The strategy is using Pacquiao & Zou Shiming to break untapped Asian market.

Only a damn fool would think that Bob Arum would ever roll over and be dictated to by a small time player like Mayweather. He's just another star (with about half the drawing power of Tyson or Oscar) that's cashing out of the game in the next 12 months.

It really isn't difficult business decision, sign the contract, take 50% of the biggest fight receipt ever, the biggest purse of all time (Pacquiao wouldn't get the other 50) and let some other guy promote it and pick up the bill.

It gets no dumber than this.

[Ricky_]

It gets no dumber than this.

You get banned Brut or did you change your name cause you were a well known troll?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Most of the population in Asia are piss poor, many of them don't even have a TV - let alone the money to pay for a PPV - also boxing isn't big in many of the Asian countries - in the phillipines, many people work for a dollar a day - do you think you will sell many PPV there?

If the Asian market is so humungous, then how come this is the first big fight that Manny is having in Asia, since his breakout win against Barrera? He's not even fought in his home country! Boxing, as a big money sport, is still in it's infancy in Asia. So let's not bang on about the Asian connection, as it's just not relevant.

There's over 1 billion people in Africa too, and in the Indian subcontinent. That doesn't make them the biggest boxing markets in the world, because the level of poverty there means that many people are just not going to have money to pay to watch fights.

All the money for boxing, is in North America and Western Europe, mainly the U.S, Germany, and the UK - those are by far the three biggest markets - they are the 3 places where big money fights can be staged, outside of that, there's not the kind of money on offer to pay the really big stars. The UK lads behind the first 2 by some way.

Nice dose of ignorance there. China is neck & neck with the US for wealth/economic size. And it isn't Pac's first fight there, he fought Rios there. The real gamblers come out to play in Macau, James McDunce

Yes, you're correct, it's his second fight there, I'm wrong on that.

I'm well aware of how big China's economy is, but it's not about the size of the economy stoopid, not unless the chinese government is paying for the bout, it's the size of the TV revenue, the gate receipts, and the money on the table from the venue. China has a huge population, however, there's still amost 50% of them living in rural areas, in addition, boxing is not a major sport in China, they don't even have professional boxing in China, so that is hardly surprising.

You're deluded, and won't accept the fact, that quite simply, Floyd no longer needs Pacman - Manny's star has faded after his crushing defeat to Marquez (the same Marquez he has struggled life and death with every single bout, and who Floyd beat without breaking sweat) and he simply isn't producing the kind of performances that made him such a big star any more. People tuned in to watch Manny, because they expected an explosive fight, with a crushing KO ending, but that hasn't happened now since 2009.

I've always been a Pacman fan, he's always been a lot more fun to watch than Mayweather, but the fact is, Mayweather is now trumping him regularly on PPV fights, and is pretty much universally regarded as the #1 P4P fighter in the sport, and has been for quite some time.

There was a time, 5-6 years ago, when the fight needed to happen - for whatever reasons you wish to believe, it didn't - and now I'm afraid it's not as big a fight as it would have been. I don't believe Arum wants the fight at all - in no small part, because he probably knows well, that Mayweather will win, and win quite easily, further reducing Pacman's marketability and ending any speculation about what would have happened if they fought - better for Arum to come out with horseshite as to why the bout can't happen, or make ludicrious offers as if Pacman is the bankable commodity.

Let Pacman fight the likes of Algieri in China, - it's doing nothing for his status or legacy, and I can't imagine it's going to do great numbers, given that Pacman is more than 10-1 with most bookmakers to win. Woe betide that somehow he loses, because if that happens, then it really is over for Manny, that's the biggest risk in taking these kind of fights, if you lose, you are no longer mentioned in the same breath as the elite fighters. Rather like when Marquez took the short money to fight Chris John in Indonesia, and lost, took him a long time to recover from that.

[BoxBuzz]

Didn't read the whole thing here, but what possible reason would Floyd have to avoid Manny at this point? He put a pretty good beating on Manny's daddy. There is no GENUINE reason to assume this would be anything more than another paycheck for Floyd.

It would be quite a statistical anomaly if Manny were the person to catch Floyd on his first bad day at work.

But I know that's what the Manny loyalists would hope to happen here.


And then they would make quite the issue of it.


For the record Floyd's resume does not need Manny at this point. But it's the one place where Manny could find redemption.

So I understand the interest. And I'm not surprised that Bobby is shuffling his boy away from the lights on this one.

[Ricky_]

I'm well aware of how big China's economy is, but it's not about the size of the economy stoopid, not unless the chinese government is paying for the bout, it's the size of the TV revenue, the gate receipts, and the money on the table from the venue. China has a huge population, however, there's still amost 50% of them living in rural areas, in addition, boxing is not a major sport in China, they don't even have professional boxing in China, so that is hardly surprising.

Are you an expert on China? It's not a 3rd world country you ignaramous. If the average American makes say $40k per annum, how many people in china make more than that, (remember the population is 1.3 billion). And combat sports can only grow in Asia, boxing, ufc, any kind of martial arts, it's a cultural thing, this is Asia, nor Norway.

You're deluded, and won't accept the fact, that quite simply, Floyd no longer needs Pacman

stopped reading here, i'm deluded? OK then, if he doesn't need him he can rematch Guerrero and make over $100m against the Ghost instead.