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The last sentence I agree with 100%, if mundine truely wanted to leave a legacy he would have jumped at offers like the trout fight, that's what true champions do, to me, not accepting the fight and then trying to make it out as if trout was ducking him was weak and lacked heart, as for tony, he was a champion amongst champions, fought whoever was in front of him, very humble, take a look at geale/mundine2, tony was the first after the fight to congratulate geale, I personally think he was embarrassed by Anthony's behavior before and after the fight, your the one who said he has played league since he was 5 and had no time to train, you haven't answered where his skills magically appeared from at the age of 25

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Sorry Grant but please read between the line's i'm not putting sh.t on any of our great champion's just being sarcastic.

sorry mate, i'm not the sharpest knife in the draw.

Love the sweet science though if that gets me out of trouble..

Got a few rounds out at the gym tonight. Probably didn't learn much but I'm old and busted. Haha. Got hit plenty but still had fun. I love boxing as I have since I could walk. So if I'm wrong then so be it but im not going to argue with anyone about it.

fox wrote:Got a few rounds out at the gym tonight. Probably didn't learn much but I'm old and busted. Haha. Got hit plenty but still had fun. I love boxing as I have since I could walk. So if I'm wrong then so be it but im not going to argue with anyone about it.

wish i could do the same. I dreamt that i made an amateur comeback a whilst back. At 60. It was so logical in my dream. Shared it with my wife when she woke and sge laughed that hard she had a coughing fit.

Pureist wrote:The last sentence I agree with 100%, if mundine truely wanted to leave a legacy he would have jumped at offers like the trout fight, that's what true champions do, to me, not accepting the fight and then trying to make it out as if trout was ducking him was weak and lacked heart, as for tony, he was a champion amongst champions, fought whoever was in front of him, very humble, take a look at geale/mundine2, tony was the first after the fight to congratulate geale, I personally think he was embarrassed by Anthony's behavior before and after the fight, your the one who said he has played league since he was 5 and had no time to train, you haven't answered where his skills magically appeared from at the age of 25

Come on lets shake hands agree to disagree and have a watch some old boxing movie's and you'll hear some word's said something like this [ this kid has great hand/eye co-ordination/great balance you ever seen twinkle toe's Mundine do his thing on a rugby league field if you did you'd know what I meen speed to burn feet and hand's THIS KIDS A NATURAL.

NATURAL TALENT WENT A LONG WAY TO HELPING MUNDINE GET HAS FAR HAS HE HAS IN BOXING SO TOO HAS DEDICATION...................

Natural talent and dedication 100% agree with, all I've said from the start is that he has under achieved for his ability

Grant wrote:

fox wrote:Got a few rounds out at the gym tonight. Probably didn't learn much but I'm old and busted. Haha. Got hit plenty but still had fun. I love boxing as I have since I could walk. So if I'm wrong then so be it but im not going to argue with anyone about it.

wish i could do the same. I dreamt that i made an amateur comeback a whilst back. At 60. It was so logical in my dream. Shared it with my wife when she woke and sge laughed that hard she had a coughing fit.

Hey Grant Australian Masters Games in Adelaide from 3rd of October. Lots of different categories including 61years+. 0-6 fights, 7-16 and 16+ fights. Basically all the same amateur divisions.

fox wrote:

Grant wrote:

fox wrote:Got a few rounds out at the gym tonight. Probably didn't learn much but I'm old and busted. Haha. Got hit plenty but still had fun. I love boxing as I have since I could walk. So if I'm wrong then so be it but im not going to argue with anyone about it.

wish i could do the same. I dreamt that i made an amateur comeback a whilst back. At 60. It was so logical in my dream. Shared it with my wife when she woke and sge laughed that hard she had a coughing fit.

Hey Grant Australian Masters Games in Adelaide from 3rd of October. Lots of different categories including 61years+. 0-6 fights, 7-16 and 16+ fights. Basically all the same amateur divisions.

Sounds fun, might have a look on the web. Thanks

Since ive stopped boxing I've taken up running marathons. So probably run the half marathon while I'm there. If you've fought pro b4, you just have to sign a waiver to say you won't fight pro again. Looking forward to it.

Pureist wrote:Natural talent and dedication 100% agree with, all I've said from the start is that he has under achieved for his ability

And he had no heart. no arguement's

If he had heart he would have challenged himself and taken the hard fights and proved he was as good as he often spruiks he is, in reality, he ducked fighters offering a road to glory for journeymen

Pureist wrote:If he had heart he would have challenged himself and taken the hard fights and proved he was as good as he often spruiks he is, in reality, he ducked fighters offering a road to glory for journeymen

fu..ing fights Kessler/Green/etc etc and did ya watch the Clottey fight Mundine gets knocked down 5 times gets up 5 times could have layed their like a mongrel DOG AND STILL WOULD HAVE GOT PAID imagine if he had some Heart but seeing how you are so brave dribbling about who has Heart like I said your real name could define you on this sight
If your so adamant he has no Heart you need to tell him to his face and i'll bet my balls onit you don't.
THIS APPLIES TO YOU THE EMPTY WAGON MAKES THE MOST NOISE.

Knocked down 5 times by a career welterweight that really should be considered b level due to activity, you don't take everything in to consideration

Pureist wrote:Knocked down 5 times by a career welterweight that really should be considered b level due to activity, you don't take everything in to consideration

Your brain is not working is it, No one is talking about how big Mundine opponent was we are talking about how big his Heart is remember you said he has none
also remember Mundine Fought at super middleweight a weight he should never have fought at because he was always a jr middleweight see the size difference between Kessler and him
no u wouldn't the empty wagons making to much noise for u to see.

So he fought at light middle, which at that weight he is HUGE and was flogged by a natural welter, your arguement isn't working well

Pureist wrote:So he fought at light middle, which at that weight he is HUGE and was flogged by a natural welter, your arguement isn't working well

Sensible you doubt someones COURAGE that's your right, But dodging your stupid quote about Mundine having no heart is pathetic getting up after getting knocked the fu.. down 5 times wether it was Jimmy Wilde the greatest flyweight in history putting you on your ass or by some 10 stone pug at the local watering does show Heart wether you like it or not he showed heart by just stepping in the ring wether you like it or not..............against Ottke/Kessler/Green all bigger than the blown up jr middle he showed Heart wether you like it or not

Ottke had a ko rate of about 3%, Kessler beat him, green was slow and lumbering and trout we won't know because minding went missing, a lack of intestinal fortitude you might say

Pureist wrote:Ottke had a ko rate of about 3%, Kessler beat him, green was slow and lumbering and trout we won't know because minding went missing, a lack of intestinal fortitude you might say

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Forgive for being so dumb but are we talking about your STUPID STATEMENT THAT MUNDINE HAS NO HEART or are we talking about HOW BIG SOME-ONE IS/HOW HARD THEY PUNCH/WHAT THEY HAD FOR DINNER/WHAT COLOUR THEIR ASS IS ETC..............................ETC.

THE FACT IS YOUR STATEMENT IS OF THE PUREIST BULLSH.. I'V HEARD FOR ALONG TIME.
AND YOU KNOW IT.

Why did he duck trout to fight Mckart, for money? I DONT THINK SO. The big boy on the block ( trout ) at that stage said come and play to the mouth ( mundine ) and he wanted no part of it, what don't you UNDERSTAND. Mosley was shot, rabchenko had fought nobody, clottey smashed him, green was a slow moving dinosaur, Kessler belted him and he wanted no part of that again, siaca say no more, what about wood, fighting lester ellis took heart eh, if you can't see that he has woven his way to where he is by fighting shot fighters, fighters rated far higher than they should have been and avoiding the dangerous fighters then all you are is a biased nuthugger and you had first hand knowledge that he was going to vilify geale 2 days before it happened, you mentioned your indigenous, you should know better than anyone of the racism directed at the indigenous and your sticking up for this arse, DISGRACEFUL

Pureist wrote:Why did he duck trout to fight Mckart, for money? I DONT THINK SO. The big boy on the block ( trout ) at that stage said come and play to the mouth ( mundine ) and he wanted no part of it, what don't you UNDERSTAND. Mosley was shot, rabchenko had fought nobody, clottey smashed him, green was a slow moving dinosaur, Kessler belted him and he wanted no part of that again, siaca say no more, what about wood, fighting lester ellis took heart eh, if you can't see that he has woven his way to where he is by fighting shot fighters, fighters rated far higher than they should have been and avoiding the dangerous fighters then all you are is a biased nuthugger and you had first hand knowledge that he was going to vilify geale 2 days before it happened, you mentioned your indigenous, you should know better than anyone of the racism directed at the indigenous and your sticking up for this arse, DISGRACEFUL

F..K I'D LAUGH MY HEAD OFF JUST TO SEE MUNDINE OR GREEN RUN INTO YOU WHILE YOUR NOT HIDING BEHIND YOUR ALIAS BRAVE HEARTTTTTTTTTTTTTT AND DON'T DARE BRING UP RACISM OR INDIGENOUS ISSUS WITH ME YOU IGNORANT FOOL GO WATCH FIRST CONTACT DICKHEAD.
SO WHOS RACIST MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...............................LET ME THINK

Not me that's for sure, one of the best blokes I've ever met is porky brooks, an absolute legend of a man, you knowing what was going down means you were part of it, part of the problem, not the solution

I should say sorry for even saying what I said towards you blokes I wont bring up racism again boxing is one sport that this terrible thing doesn't rare its ugly head to often
I seen plenty of gyms with deadly saying posted over their walls the one that sticks in my mind it goes something like this religion/race/colour left at the door this is TBE not Floyd, Cec Waters also use to stick up a saying on the dressing room wall before his boys went to war went something along the lines of if you think your beatin your almost certainly will be beatin cannot remember the rest will have to dust off some 80's/90's boxing mags to checkout anyway its the state of the mind and some people that have had a influence on Mundine at different times during his career that has been his down fall not his HEART.........

Let's agree to disagree on that point Clive, your very passionate about your boxing and that's a great thing, as far as racism is concerned, we are all the same, 2 arms 2 legs, you get your good and bad in every race, some of the worst people I've met have been white Australians, they can be very much rednecks and who needs that crap, no one, I take everyone at face value

Pureist wrote:Let's agree to disagree on that point Clive, your very passionate about your boxing and that's a great thing, as far as racism is concerned, we are all the same, 2 arms 2 legs, you get your good and bad in every race, some of the worst people I've met have been white Australians, they can be very much rednecks and who needs that crap, no one, I take everyone at face value

Pureist wrote:Not me that's for sure, one of the best blokes I've ever met is porky brooks, an absolute legend of a man, you knowing what was going down means you were part of it, part of the problem, not the solution

Agree about Porky. Don't think i've met a nicer guy. I don't think your racist mate.