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Andre, Anthony and JCCJ are Haymon fighters and can't fight on HBO. Besides, Haymon will not let him to fight a dangerous opponent with no title at SMW. Ward needs at least one tuneup, and he couldn't fight anybody before due to legal issues. Froch and his promoter don't want GGG. Who is Groves and how did he deserve fighting somebody like GGG ? Hopkins is the only real possibility in your list, but his team hasn't approached Tom Loefler.

ikorolev wrote:Andre, Anthony and JCCJ are Haymon fighters and can't fight on HBO. Besides, Haymon will not let him to fight a dangerous opponent with no title at SMW. Ward needs at least one tuneup, and he couldn't fight anybody before due to legal issues. Froch and his promoter don't want GGG. Who is Groves and how did he deserve fighting somebody like GGG ? Hopkins is the only real possibility in your list, but his team hasn't approached Tom Loefler.

Groves and Degale would bring decent paydays especially if GGG fought in their back yard. He would destroy either dude.

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: And there ARE some elite guys who DO want him in the ring...yesterday.

There are no elite guys who are willing and capable of fighting GGG right now. They are either Haymon fighters or need tuneups or just plain ducking. Hopkins may be one exception, but he hasn't contacted Loefler yet still hoping to get Chavez or Froch fights.

There are loads of elite and name guys, especially in the 168 weight class who've been begging for a GGG fight, some for almost 2 years.

Andre Dirrell
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/12/and ... and-froch/

Anthony Dirrell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdVHrRkxo6A

Andre Ward
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/10/lam ... kin-fight/

George Groves, who has sparred with GGG, says he'd welcome him to 168
http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/1 ... mayweather

We know JCC, Froch, and Hopkins also have expressed a lot of interest.

GGG can get a huge fight if he wants one.

You forgot elite JLeon Love.

Those name guys, they dont need to beg, they just need to make an offer. How come they havent, not a single one?

And why do you keep repeating Froch, Chavez want it when it was explained to you they dont. Youre a windup, right?

koolkc107 wrote:
No one is saying GGG is not the goods...he just needs to verify it with top guys.

And there ARE some elite guys who DO want him in the ring...yesterday.

They do want him in the ring alright.

But hearing that first bell, all of a sudden their knees grow weak, and they seek to bear his child.

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:
You forgot elite JLeon Love.

Those name guys, they dont need to beg, they just need to make an offer. How come they havent, not a single one?

And why do you keep repeating Froch, Chavez want it when it was explained to you they dont. Youre a windup, right?

If by windup you mean I can read, then yeah.

This is JCC from January of this year.

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/30189 ... -froch.htm

Froch wants a payday. He thinks that will come against a name (Chavez) which GGG isn't yet. Pay Carl enough and I am certain he would get in with Gennady.

As far as "they just need to make an offer" GGG is the one shooting off his yap about how he can go with 168 pounders. Seems to me, he is the one that needs to send an offer, like he sent to those 154 pound guys he was so eager to fight at 160.

koolkc107 wrote: This is JCC from January of this year.

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/30189 ... -froch.htm

Froch wants a payday. He thinks that will come against a name (Chavez) which GGG isn't yet. Pay Carl enough and I am certain he would get in with Gennady.

As far as "they just need to make an offer" GGG is the one shooting off his yap about how he can go with 168 pounders. Seems to me, he is the one that needs to send an offer, like he sent to those 154 pound guys he was so eager to fight at 160.

Wow, you are one of the dumbest people in this forum. How may times does one need to be told that Haymon fighters don't fight on HBO ??? Chavez or any other Haymon fighter can "call out" Golovkin safely, because they know that it's not gonna happen.

Froch wants a payday IN VEGAS. He could make huge money fighting DeGale or Golovkin in a soccer stadium in England, but he is preoccupied with his Vegas idea. Listen to yesterday's press-conference in Monaco. Loefler says that Hearn is a friend of his, but he never replies when Loefler asks about arranging a fight with GGG.

koolkc107 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:
You forgot elite JLeon Love.

Those name guys, they dont need to beg, they just need to make an offer. How come they havent, not a single one?

And why do you keep repeating Froch, Chavez want it when it was explained to you they dont. Youre a windup, right?

If by windup you mean I can read, then yeah.

This is JCC from January of this year.

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/30189 ... -froch.htm

Froch wants a payday. He thinks that will come against a name (Chavez) which GGG isn't yet. Pay Carl enough and I am certain he would get in with Gennady.

As far as "they just need to make an offer" GGG is the one shooting off his yap about how he can go with 168 pounders. Seems to me, he is the one that needs to send an offer, like he sent to those 154 pound guys he was so eager to fight at 160.

Ok I see you're new to this sport, or very thick, so I'll go slower:

In this sport the one that makes the offer is the A-side. That's cause that guy's team will be promoting the card. When you're talking GGG vs name fighters, he's the definite B-side. How can a guy whose highest published purse is 900k make an offer to Froch, who last made 10m pounds, or Chavez, who was last offered $7m to fight GGG? Use your head, man.

As far as Chavez, his actions speak for themselves. Refusing to sign for 7m with a 5/10m single fight extension to run to Haymon and fight a no name for a small fraction of that. Knowing full well he's putting himself out of GGG's reach by doing that. Froch, read those quotes again.

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

If by windup you mean I can read, then yeah.

This is JCC from January of this year.

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/30189 ... -froch.htm

Froch wants a payday. He thinks that will come against a name (Chavez) which GGG isn't yet. Pay Carl enough and I am certain he would get in with Gennady.

As far as "they just need to make an offer" GGG is the one shooting off his yap about how he can go with 168 pounders. Seems to me, he is the one that needs to send an offer, like he sent to those 154 pound guys he was so eager to fight at 160.

Ok I see you're new to this sport, or very thick, so I'll go slower:

In this sport the one that makes the offer is the A-side. That's cause that guy's team will be promoting the card. When you're talking GGG vs name fighters, he's the definite B-side. How can a guy whose highest published purse is 900k make an offer to Froch, who last made 10m pounds, or Chavez, who was last offered $7m to fight GGG? Use your head, man.

As far as Chavez, his actions speak for themselves. Refusing to sign for 7m with a 5/10m single fight extension to run to Haymon and fight a no name for a small fraction of that. Knowing full well he's putting himself out of GGG's reach by doing that. Froch, read those quotes again.

Must be great to be a legend in your own mind.

First thing you need to do is go re-research the offer JCC jr turned down. You have that flat wrong, Holmes.

And even if you were right-which you aren't- the fact that you can't see tying the fight to an extension as the extortion it is speaks volumes about you.

As for your A-side, B-side babble...yeah, I guess that is one way fights can be made. But far from the only way.

Truth is, offers can come from anyone interested. They can be from the B-side or the C-side or the D-side. Peep this (note the bolded):

"I think at this point Golovkin is not the one that needs to be chasing, I think that he is at a point now where guys want to fight him like Andre and Carl Froch in England. I think that some talks have to be made between the two promoters and if we don’t make an offer, let them make an offer and let us turn it down, that way they can come back and say, 'Well you know, they don’t want to fight us.' Andre I think believes that if he gets that stuff straightened out he can right into a big fight, he’s that much of a talent," Sanchez told On The Ropes Boxing Radio.

That's Abel Sanchez (your so-called B side) saying they could make an offer. First, if they want.

My advice to you is to watch who you try condescending nonsense with. Peace

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: This is JCC from January of this year.

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/30189 ... -froch.htm

Froch wants a payday. He thinks that will come against a name (Chavez) which GGG isn't yet. Pay Carl enough and I am certain he would get in with Gennady.

As far as "they just need to make an offer" GGG is the one shooting off his yap about how he can go with 168 pounders. Seems to me, he is the one that needs to send an offer, like he sent to those 154 pound guys he was so eager to fight at 160.

Wow, you are one of the dumbest people in this forum. How may times does one need to be told that Haymon fighters don't fight on HBO ??? Chavez or any other Haymon fighter can "call out" Golovkin safely, because they know that it's not gonna happen.

Froch wants a payday IN VEGAS. He could make huge money fighting DeGale or Golovkin in a soccer stadium in England, but he is preoccupied with his Vegas idea. Listen to yesterday's press-conference in Monaco. Loefler says that Hearn is a friend of his, but he never replies when Loefler asks about arranging a fight with GGG.

HBO shows Haymon fighters when it suits them.

You are only showing how stupid you are by repeating that fanboy mantra.

And now that Haymon is pushing boxing back on network TV, don't be shocked if you don't see HBO cave even further.

BTW, isn't Floyd a Haymon fighter? Guess HBO is going to have nothing to do with the mega-fight that was just confirmed as a go...

One thing you do have right...Froch wants a big payday in Vegas.

And if the money is right, I bet Carl doesn't care who it is.

koolkc107 wrote: HBO shows Haymon fighters when it suits them.

Name one big name Haymon fighter who fought on HBO recently.

BTW, isn't Floyd a Haymon fighter? Guess HBO is going to have nothing to do with the mega-fight that was just confirmed as a go...

Any rule has exceptions. When we are talking about 9-figure purses, they can agree. At this time, Golovkin fighting a big name will only be around a 10-mil fight.

One thing you do have right...Froch wants a big payday in Vegas.

And if the money is right, I bet Carl doesn't care who it is.

Froch is the main money maker in their fight against GGG, and Hearn shows zero interest in discussing the fight with Loefler.

koolkc107 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

If by windup you mean I can read, then yeah.

This is JCC from January of this year.

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/30189 ... -froch.htm

Froch wants a payday. He thinks that will come against a name (Chavez) which GGG isn't yet. Pay Carl enough and I am certain he would get in with Gennady.

As far as "they just need to make an offer" GGG is the one shooting off his yap about how he can go with 168 pounders. Seems to me, he is the one that needs to send an offer, like he sent to those 154 pound guys he was so eager to fight at 160.

Ok I see you're new to this sport, or very thick, so I'll go slower:

In this sport the one that makes the offer is the A-side. That's cause that guy's team will be promoting the card. When you're talking GGG vs name fighters, he's the definite B-side. How can a guy whose highest published purse is 900k make an offer to Froch, who last made 10m pounds, or Chavez, who was last offered $7m to fight GGG? Use your head, man.

As far as Chavez, his actions speak for themselves. Refusing to sign for 7m with a 5/10m single fight extension to run to Haymon and fight a no name for a small fraction of that. Knowing full well he's putting himself out of GGG's reach by doing that. Froch, read those quotes again.

Must be great to be a legend in your own mind.

First thing you need to do is go re-research the offer JCC jr turned down. You have that flat wrong, Holmes.

And even if you were right-which you aren't- the fact that you can't see tying the fight to an extension as the extortion it is speaks volumes about you.

As for your A-side, B-side babble...yeah, I guess that is one way fights can be made. But far from the only way.

Truth is, offers can come from anyone interested. They can be from the B-side or the C-side or the D-side. Peep this (note the bolded):

"I think at this point Golovkin is not the one that needs to be chasing, I think that he is at a point now where guys want to fight him like Andre and Carl Froch in England. I think that some talks have to be made between the two promoters and if we don’t make an offer, let them make an offer and let us turn it down, that way they can come back and say, 'Well you know, they don’t want to fight us.' Andre I think believes that if he gets that stuff straightened out he can right into a big fight, he’s that much of a talent," Sanchez told On The Ropes Boxing Radio.

That's Abel Sanchez (your so-called B side) saying they could make an offer. First, if they want.

My advice to you is to watch who you try condescending nonsense with. Peace

Chavez offer: 7m for GGG with 1 fight extension, 5m if he lost, 10m if he won. Confirmed by Chavez' manager. Awesome deal. What do you dispute?

Yes, that's why you see Marquez and Bradley making offers to Pac, and Guerrero and Maidana to Floyd. For sure.

Sanchez never said they could make an offer. He said the onus is not on us to make an offer when dealing with name fighters. That's cause they're supposed to bring the money and fans. I mean, he said Froch in the UK. Do you really expect them to make him an offer for a UK fight? That's ridiculous, all they can do is be willing to face Froch on his hometurf, where he's the star.

Again, how can a guy with career high of 900k be making offers to these guys? Maybe for a fight in Russia, if he was backed by Povetkin's guy or some oil tycoon.

koolkc107 wrote:Seems to me, he is the one that needs to send an offer, like he sent to those 154 pound guys he was so eager to fight at 160.

See, this is why it's hard to take you seriously. Since first fight on HBO, he's fought 8 times, 5x vs Ring top 10 MWs, Murray will be 6th. The only SWW that got an offer was Rosado, for an undercard, after legit middles like Geale (dropped belt), Quillin, Rubio, Macklin passed. Neither guy made much, Rosado got like 150k. That's nothing like making an offer to Chavez, Froch, even Ward, get it? You could say Ishida also, but that was also a low budget fight, off HBO, and Ishida's last 4 fights were at MW, including his best known fights vs Kirkland (157 CW), Williams (155 CW) and Pirog.

Also doesn't help you keep posting links to BN24 lol.

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Seems to me, he is the one that needs to send an offer, like he sent to those 154 pound guys he was so eager to fight at 160.

See, this is why it's hard to take you seriously. Since first fight on HBO, he's fought 8 times, 5x vs Ring top 10 MWs, Murray will be 6th. The only SWW that got an offer was Rosado, for an undercard, after legit middles like Geale (dropped belt), Quillin, Rubio, Macklin passed. Neither guy made much, Rosado got like 150k. That's nothing like making an offer to Chavez, Froch, even Ward, get it? You could say Ishida also, but that was also a low budget fight, off HBO, and Ishida's last 4 fights were at MW, including his best known fights vs Kirkland (157 CW), Williams (155 CW) and Pirog.

Also doesn't help you keep posting links to BN24 lol.

What about the other "middleweights" he fought besides Rosado who had been superwelters the year before fighting GGG. Do they count?

Hey, a source is a source and you are free to impeach it

koolkc107 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Seems to me, he is the one that needs to send an offer, like he sent to those 154 pound guys he was so eager to fight at 160.

See, this is why it's hard to take you seriously. Since first fight on HBO, he's fought 8 times, 5x vs Ring top 10 MWs, Murray will be 6th. The only SWW that got an offer was Rosado, for an undercard, after legit middles like Geale (dropped belt), Quillin, Rubio, Macklin passed. Neither guy made much, Rosado got like 150k. That's nothing like making an offer to Chavez, Froch, even Ward, get it? You could say Ishida also, but that was also a low budget fight, off HBO, and Ishida's last 4 fights were at MW, including his best known fights vs Kirkland (157 CW), Williams (155 CW) and Pirog.

Also doesn't help you keep posting links to BN24 lol.

What about the other "middleweights" he fought besides Rosado who had been superwelters the year before fighting GGG. Do they count?

Hey, a source is a source and you are free to impeach it

Are you talking about ancient past, pre-HBO fights when nobody knew who Golovkin was ? No top middleweight would take a risk fighting Golovkin at that time. Do you know that Universum which was promoting both Sturm and Golovkin who lived in Germany at that time, was protecting Sturm from GGG ?

koolkc107 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Seems to me, he is the one that needs to send an offer, like he sent to those 154 pound guys he was so eager to fight at 160.

See, this is why it's hard to take you seriously. Since first fight on HBO, he's fought 8 times, 5x vs Ring top 10 MWs, Murray will be 6th. The only SWW that got an offer was Rosado, for an undercard, after legit middles like Geale (dropped belt), Quillin, Rubio, Macklin passed. Neither guy made much, Rosado got like 150k. That's nothing like making an offer to Chavez, Froch, even Ward, get it? You could say Ishida also, but that was also a low budget fight, off HBO, and Ishida's last 4 fights were at MW, including his best known fights vs Kirkland (157 CW), Williams (155 CW) and Pirog.

Also doesn't help you keep posting links to BN24 lol.

What about the other "middleweights" he fought besides Rosado who had been superwelters the year before fighting GGG. Do they count?

Hey, a source is a source and you are free to impeach it

What are you talking about? Why don't you tell us who these guys are, don't go shy now