Eubank Jr. How far will he go?

[Finn]

just seen that eubank jr is now ranked above murray on the boxrec ratings! so its not just eubank fans who live in cloud cuckoo land.
so many mugs out there willing to be led right up the garden path by tv people who will tell you black is white in order to sell more stuff. i suggest that all those fuckwits who agree with the sentiments of the op should start watching fights with the sound turned off.
you might actually see what happens in a fight, rather than being constantly misinformed.
john ryder has done more or less the same as eubank...same age, same record, would probably beat eubank, but gets none of the fanfare,status ,money etc...simply because he doesnt behave like an arsehole, or have his rich daddies greedy friends selling the emperors new clothes.

He's ranked above Murray because Murray has technically lost or drawn every big fight. I don't need to listen without the commentary I watched the fight without hardly being able to hear the commentary in the first place.

I find it laughable that the debate goes down to the "everyone is brainwashed" line of thought.

[Finn]

I see this site does have some knowledgeable people ....

How is trying to include opponents that fighters didn't actually beat and claiming them as wins knowledgable?

[expe]

I see this site does have some knowledgeable people ....

How is trying to include opponents that fighters didn't actually beat and claiming them as wins knowledgable?

Where did I claim they were wins? Don't try and twist what I posted. I said quite clearly the Khomitsky fight was a draw and a lot of people thought he beat Bursak, the judges in Ukraine didn't. Both of those are far better fighters than Chudinov so I put them in there as they were relevant to the point being made.

[Finn]

I see this site does have some knowledgeable people ....

How is trying to include opponents that fighters didn't actually beat and claiming them as wins knowledgable?

Where did I claim they were wins? Don't try and twist what I posted. I said quite clearly the Khomitsky fight was a draw and a lot of people thought he beat Bursak, the judges in Ukraine didn't. Both of those are far better fighters than Chudinov so I put them in there as they were relevant to the point being made.

You were replying in response to my post where I was saying Ryder and Blackwell haven't beaten anyone better than chudinov. You're response was to name fighters they haven't beaten or who haven't fought at that level and won?

[expe]

How is trying to include opponents that fighters didn't actually beat and claiming them as wins knowledgable?

Where did I claim they were wins? Don't try and twist what I posted. I said quite clearly the Khomitsky fight was a draw and a lot of people thought he beat Bursak, the judges in Ukraine didn't. Both of those are far better fighters than Chudinov so I put them in there as they were relevant to the point being made.

You were replying in response to my post where I was saying Ryder and Blackwell haven't beaten anyone better than chudinov. You're response was to name fighters they haven't beaten or who haven't fought at that level and won?

I put fighters in that Blackwell had matched that are miles better than Chudinov, he hasn't really got a big win on his record yet, doesn't mean he isn't a good fighter. Bursak was European champion and beat a couple of good fighters for the belt, Khomitsky has given more or less everybody, GGG aside, a really good fight and was beating Stieglitz before they fucked him over with a bullshit stoppage. O'Kane beat Hope who was another European champion. They've all either won or competed at a level above Chudinov.

[freddydoesdallas]

I don't get why people always refer to someone with a different opinion on a boxer a 'fanboy'. Really does my tits in, absolutely pathetic comment and also filled with irony.

Everyone sees different things in a fighter and it's always healthy to see positives and negatives in boxers as it is in life!

Nothing wrong with being a fan of a fighter either, it might cloud the judgement slightly but it makes for a good debate.

Nothing wrong with being a supporter but 'fanboy' is such a shit term used as a last resort when somebody can't articulate their point well enough.

[Finn]

I put fighters in that Blackwell had matched that are miles better than Chudinov, he hasn't really got a big win on his record yet, doesn't mean he isn't a good fighter. Bursak was European champion and beat a couple of good fighters for the belt, Khomitsky has given more or less everybody, GGG aside, a really good fight and was beating Stieglitz before they fucked him over with a bullshit stoppage. O'Kane beat Hope who was another European champion. They've all either won or competed at a level above Chudinov.

You're just bending your own logic to suit your agenda.

You claim O'Kanes a better opponent than chudinov because he beat kerry hope? Kerry Hope is a fighter i used to really enjoy watching, but he just lost fighting for the welsh title, he was past his best after fighting proksa 2 or 3 years ago and he was never european level despite edging the Proksa in the first fight, where proksa from what i remember had a terrible cut.

Then you go onto say Blackwells draw with Khomitsky proves he would beat Eubank Jr because Khomitsky is levels above chudinov. Who's Khomitsky ever beaten? He's been in the ring with (and comprehensively beaten by) Steiglitz, Rhodes, Murray, GGG among the long list of other people who have beaten him (he's also never picked up a title of any kind as far as i'm aware).

Yet you consider that better than Chudinovs opponents (WHO HE ACTUALLY BEAT not just drew or lost too like your examples): Medhi Bouadla for example went the distance with GGG in an 8 rounder, he also fought Kessler for the European title, and Arthur Abrahams for a world title. Chudinov took him out in 3 rounds after dropping him in all 3 rounds.

Destroying Medhi Bouadla in 3 rounds is clearly a far superior result to drawing with Khomitsky. I think most knowledgeable posters on this forum would rate Chudinov above or at least the same level as Khomitsky.

[expe]

I put fighters in that Blackwell had matched that are miles better than Chudinov, he hasn't really got a big win on his record yet, doesn't mean he isn't a good fighter. Bursak was European champion and beat a couple of good fighters for the belt, Khomitsky has given more or less everybody, GGG aside, a really good fight and was beating Stieglitz before they fucked him over with a bullshit stoppage. O'Kane beat Hope who was another European champion. They've all either won or competed at a level above Chudinov.

You're just bending your own logic to suit your agenda.

You claim O'Kanes a better opponent than chudinov because he beat kerry hope? Kerry Hope is a fighter i used to really enjoy watching, but he just lost fighting for the welsh title, he was past his best after fighting proksa 2 or 3 years ago and he was never european level despite edging the Proksa in the first fight, where proksa from what i remember had a terrible cut.

Then you go onto say Blackwells draw with Khomitsky proves he would beat Eubank Jr because Khomitsky is levels above chudinov. Who's Khomitsky ever beaten? He's been in the ring with (and comprehensively beaten by) Steiglitz, Rhodes, Murray, GGG among the long list of other people who have beaten him (he's also never picked up a title of any kind as far as i'm aware).

Yet you consider that better than Chudinovs opponents (WHO HE ACTUALLY BEAT not just drew or lost too like your examples): Medhi Bouadla for example went the distance with GGG in an 8 rounder, he also fought Kessler for the European title, and Arthur Abrahams for a world title. Chudinov took him out in 3 rounds after dropping him in all 3 rounds.

I never said O'Kane's a better opponent than Chudinov, once again, stop trying to make out I've said things that I haven't said. Ryder beating O'Kane is a similar level to Eubank Jr beating Chudinov, that's all I said.

Khomitsky wasn't comprehensively beaten by Stieglitz, he was beating him, then the referee waved it off because he decided that the corner was taking too long to fix some tape on Khomitsky's glove. He had Murray on the floor in the first fight and a good argument for beating him second time round. He gave Rhodes a decent fight, didn't win it but he wasn't battered, 79-74 isn't bad for an away fighter over here. Khomitsky's won 4 titles, all of them plastic belts, but I'm not sure what that has to do with him being a good fighter or not, a lot of very poor fighters have won titles and good fighters haven't.

You complain about me taking into account losses and draws, then bring up everyone Bouadla's lost to, hypocrisy at its finest.

All this shite about opposition, wins and results doesn't really change anything, watching the fights tells you a lot more than reading records. Dmitry Chudinov is not a world class fighter, if he was English he'd barely be domestic level, I wouldn't even back him to win the British title. Everyone is now proclaiming Eubank Jr the second coming because he beat a very, very average fighter, all of a sudden he's now world class and capable of beating anyone not called Golovkin.

[Finn]

You obviously are a typical boxrec man. Split decision?....that fight was set up for eubank to win. The big customised entrance, the fact bjs isn't marketable, etc, etc. The fact it was a split decision was a disgrace, I gave eubank at best 4 rounds, and phil Edwards cant score. Inexperience?.... I can see how having 19 fights would not prepare you for a European, and british title shot against a guy with 20 fights :)

Chudinov better than ryder? spike o'sullivan? et al.....you must be using the same dealer eubank sr is :). Chudinov aint Jack!

Do I think he is the same fighter......pretty much yes.......his competition has got worse, take out BJS, and that Russian 'domestic class chump', and his first 8 opponents are better than his last 8.

moving onto the 7 or 8.......BJS (AGAIN), murray, lee, ryder, spike o'sullivan,ronnine Hefron, Jamie cox, nick Blackwell (I have seen this personally in sparring, id love that fight, which is why they keep ducking him!) macklin......Don't you notice how they keep avoiding any top 10 british fighters!

You are clearly a eubank fanboy, so il leave you in your little bubble, il come find you when he actually fights anyone near world class, and we can have a little wager.

Look through his record, its got more padding than an asylum cell

You're a typical wally, I stopped reading when you named Ronnie heffron as someone who would beat Eubank.

I would love to know what you have seen from heffrons performances that gives you the impression he would beat Eubank other than you don't like Eubank. He's not even a middle weight.

Lol you are a walking contradiction!....Firstly you say its all speculation, then you try and pass off Eubank Jr's record as if he has based himself in mexico lol...Firstly its Hefron as in Mark Hefron. Secondly he is a middleweight and thirdly he would beat Eubank jr.

You are a fanboy, so much so I would post ronnies number on here, for you (that's davies by the way :)), so you can maybe beg him for some tickets. Lastly, Eubank jr has been beaten up in the gym by nick Blackwell, I have seen it with my own eyes. AND CAN YOU PLEASE STOP APPLAUDING CHUDINOV....NO ONE ELSE IS!....he is a man who got beat by Patrick mendy who is weak domestic class.

You like to deal in facts so lets deal them.....in 21 fights who has Eubank jr beat?....other than your boyfriend Chudinov

that is all

[Finn]

I never said O'Kane's a better opponent than Chudinov, once again, stop trying to make out I've said things that I haven't said. Ryder beating O'Kane is a similar level to Eubank Jr beating Chudinov, that's all I said.

I asked you who Ryder or Blackwell had beaten that was better than Chudinov - your reply was O'kane - go back a read the thread!

Khomitsky wasn't comprehensively beaten by Stieglitz, he was beating him, then the referee waved it off because he decided that the corner was taking too long to fix some tape on Khomitsky's glove. He had Murray on the floor in the first fight and a good argument for beating him second time round. He gave Rhodes a decent fight, didn't win it but he wasn't battered, 79-74 isn't bad for an away fighter over here. Khomitsky's won 4 titles, all of them plastic belts, but I'm not sure what that has to do with him being a good fighter or not, a lot of very poor fighters have won titles and good fighters haven't.

It's amazing how loses become "fights he had a good shout at winning" to suit your argument.

You complain about me taking into account losses and draws, then bring up everyone Bouadla's lost to, hypocrisy at its finest.

I was deliberately and i thought quite obviously using it of an example of your flawed logic.

All this shite about opposition, wins and results doesn't really change anything, watching the fights tells you a lot more than reading records. Dmitry Chudinov is not a world class fighter, if he was English he'd barely be domestic level, I wouldn't even back him to win the British title. Everyone is now proclaiming Eubank Jr the second coming because he beat a very, very average fighter, all of a sudden he's now world class and capable of beating anyone not called Golovkin.

You are right Chudinov is not world class, but the fact remains he is still a better win than either Ryder or Blackwell have on their records.

[Noxy]

I think he's a very good fighter. He needs proper fights though if he's going to go all the way, not just to give exhibitions of his punching power. Chudinov was a good fight for him, so was BJS despite the loss.