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sucracristo wrote:

Evander wrote:Thurman will move onto bigger and better things

i would like to see thurman fight brook. i would especially like it if thurman took
brook's title which threw a wrench in the khan-brook title fight, and then khan
didn't get his floyd/pac fight and was forced to actually fight thurman, bradley,
marquez, or maidana again.

Yeah that would be a good fight but one I believe Kell Brook will avoid.
I don't think Amir Khan could take the heat Thurman dishes out either to be honest, Keith was superb this evening.

verballistic wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:Good fight....Thurman is the real deal. Guerrero is a tough bastard.

Agreed...Guerrero's grittiness in coming back after nearly being stopped saved the show in my opinion. Last impressions of a televised fight show tend to stick out in fans' minds, so I think the competitive finish will bring a lot of fans back for the April 11 show.

My only complaint with the production tonight is that I wish the fighters could have walked out to their own music instead of the live reality show type stuff.

Small issue. I loved the show.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Its like Guerrero and Molina went in with the mindset of losing its a joke there not even trying to win.

guerrero did everything in his capacity.but i can't say that for molina .molina didn't even throw punches .he was so decided to lose.i think he was already thinking how to spent that 500 k. and he definitely didn't want any marks on his face while doing that. what a shame .

As expected - what a phenomenal brawl. Anytime the defenseless Ghost steps in the ring you know you're gonna see a classic - unless he's fighting Floyd and having to chase him around the ring.

seyyithan wrote:

kidbazooka1 wrote:Its like Guerrero and Molina went in with the mindset of losing its a joke there not even trying to win.

guerrero did everything in his capacity.but i can't say that for molina .molina didn't even throw punches .he was so decided to lose.i think he was already thinking how to spent that 500 k. and he definitely didn't want any marks on his face while doing that. what a shame .

Unlike Molina, Guerrero is actually a good fighter. Molina has awful skills. He's nothing but a good chin and a right hand.

I like Thurman, I really like Thurman, I think he, Golovkin, Frampton, Crawford and maybe Kovalev are P4P best in the world (ON QUALITY NOT RESUME). (Mayweather and Pacquiao, both slipped to me).


PS! Yeah Wlad as well.

"Classic"???? "Great effort"???

I must've watched an alternate reality broadcast, 'cos I saw an athletically gifted guy who looked like he took up boxing six months ago leap in & out whilst pot-shotting the world's clumsiest southpaw, who only looked like he accepted the reality of the situation & went looking for a win in the last two rounds.

I feel like if Keith had dropped Robert in the first round Robert would've won. Didn't seem like Robert gave much of a damn about winning til he got dropped to me. He turned it up a couple levels after getting dropped.

That 10th round was nice. If more rounds in this fight had went down like that round this fight coulda been legitly a FOTY level fight like they were trying to advertise it as illegitimately.

^^^I actually think once Ghost realized his power might daze Thurman, he began to unload. He's got a great chin -- Guerrero that is. Keith might just be in deep waters against the elite guys.

great fight. great action. thurman is tough, as robert. both were in it for the go.

ReggieDiggs wrote:I feel like if Keith had dropped Robert in the first round Robert would've won. Didn't seem like Robert gave much of a damn about winning til he got dropped to me. He turned it up a couple levels after getting dropped.

That 10th round was nice. If more rounds in this fight had went down like that round this fight coulda been legitly a FOTY level fight like they were trying to advertise it as illegitimately.

Yup.

I believe Robert was pacing himself. It's not as if he decided he wanted to win after being knocked down. Thurman's movement and power was giving Robert all sorts of trouble. It was most likely after the knockdown when Robert realized that it was then that he was definitely quite far behind on the cards.

Thurman is the real deal at 147. His power is real, along with good boxing skills. He is a real fight for anyone at 147. I can see why someone with more reach and size like Andrade beat him twice in the amateurs though, because along with skills Andrade has some power of his own along with coming in with a 10lb weight advantage of his own.

Guerrero showed heart the last few rounds, but lets not use that to take away from the great performance of Thurman. The fight was so, so close to being stopped and maybe should have been at the time. RG took a massive amount of punishment. I thought he was even losing the battles along the ropes, although it was much closer. I think Guerrero does better against guys like Brook, Porter, Khan, Maidana and Bradley than he did against Thurman. I would favor Thurman to beat them all, but not by landslide. Floyd or Manny not so sure. Just how I see it.

As far as the Broner fight goes, he did what he had to do, and Molina gave him some good sparring work. I can't believe it was the same Molina that fought Matthysse tough. Too many hard fights recently.

Yep, Thurman made a believer out of me and he's clearly one of the best 147 pound fighters out there, I'd pick him to beat any of top guys out there right now aside from Mayweather and Pacquiao and with them getting up there in age I wouldn't count him out in those fights either. I actually think Guerrero is underrated by a lot of people on here and Thurman made a world class opponent look average at times. Thurmans power is for real and to add he has very good boxing ability, he will be at the top for a long time. This fight to me was the first time I can really say that Thurman beat a world class fighter and the way he did it was very impressive because the Ghost is much more than just some "clumsy Southpaw". Thurmans power is scary and I'm not sure there's anyone else at 147 that would have stood up to some of those shots that he was landing on Guerrero, respect to Guerrero who took some thunderous shots and finished the fight strong after I thought Thurman had him close to being out of there.

Guerrero is tied with a few fighters for the best chin I've ever seen. Thurman may be even better than I thought he was. Great last round or was it the 10th? I was tired and had a few.

fergusg wrote:Keith Thurman looked really impressive last night, though his performance was a bit of a mixed bag. For the majority of the fight against Guerrero he looked awesome, but on a few occasions he also appeared quite sloppy.

Before anyone proclaims Thurman as a world-beater, we have to evaluate his victory in the context it deserves. He defeated a man that was past-his-prime, naturally smaller and was a borderline top ten ranked welterweight at best.

So it’s a bit premature to propose that Thurman is capable of defeating the likes of Mayweather & Pacquiao at this stage of his career.

Thurman is good, but we need to see a couple more decent wins on his resume before declaring him as the next 147lb king and future PPV star.

I believe you're underplaying this win over Guerrero. Guerrero although isn't a extremely gifted guy or a top 5 Welterweight at this point, I've never seen him beat up and outclassed like that. I think Floyd did a better job at out-classing Guerrero, but Thurman thumped him like I've never seen. It's Thurmans power that is the ultimate neutralizer, plus he's fast and athletic so it's not easy for his opponents to avoid his shots, so looking at it that way I think it's more than fair to compare him to the top 147 lb. guys and I personally don't think it's too quick to say that Thurman is arguably the 3rd best Welterweight on the planet. Guerrero isn't a guy that's easy to look good against, so a few points in the fight where Thurman didn't look like was in complete control of the fight (like he did during 90% of the fight) is being a bit critical.

Someone mentioned thurman-brook on the British forum. I think whilst Thurman is the superior athlete, brook is quite talented in that respect himself, and is considerably superior in terms of fundamentals and boxing intangibles.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:I understand Thurman is winning, easily, but he needs to realise fans won't out up with the running The boos will follow him, and this is second fight where he's had to hear them...

That is a dumb part of fans. Keith has nothing to be ashamed of after this fight. He had to "run" even more. Most of opponents would quit after taking so much punishment as Guerrero took.

If Keith wants to talk the talk, claim he's "One Time" and "KO's 4 Life" then he's going to be judged by his mouth. When he fights negatively he'll be judged by the fans based on that negativity. Can you imagine...Kovalev running from a smaller opponent just because his opponent can take punishment? Can you imagine Golovkin running? Gonzalez? Inoue?

First of all, im fine with 'running', boxing is hit & not getting hit, NOT you must knock him out.

But i can't hear this Mike Tyson talk anymore. Thurman has got some power, but his style is more of a boxer, and he should stay with it. He shouldn't try to force the KO, just to be exciting for the fans. Thurman said, he wanted to beat Guerrero worse than Mayweather did. Yeah, well... he beat him up more, but has it been more impressive?

Not according to the punch-stats:

Thurman landed 35% of all his shots, and took 21% of Guerrero's.
Mayweather landed 41% of all his shots, and took 19% of Guerrero's.

I don't see how 'One Time' is the next #1. He would have a hard time with Khan, Maidana, or Brook...

Counter-puncher wrote:Someone mentioned thurman-brook on the British forum. I think whilst Thurman is the superior athlete, brook is quite talented in that respect himself, and is considerably superior in terms of fundamentals and boxing intangibles.

I think that's a accurate assessment other than the "considerable" part. As I agree Brook is more fundamentally sound across the board in boxing terms, it's not by a considerable margin just as I don't think Thurman is considerably more athletic than Brook. It would be a good fight for both guys and I hope it happens, but at this point I think I'd favor Thurman.

I think Thurman should face the winner of Pac/Mayweather. In my opinion Thurman is the next best fighter out there after Pac/Mayweather. But I question if that will happen especially if Pac were to win. If Mayweather wins the fight it would be more doable..

Not only can Thurman punch he is a very very good Boxer. Guerrero is not a easy opponent. Thurman was in control the entire fight.

Overall the network show seemed to be good.

Apparently Thurman hit Guerrero so hard last night, that the Ghost can't even remember what punch knocked him down. He remembers it as being an over-hand right to the back of the head! He goes on to say that Aydin hit harder than Thurman. Maybe his brain will unscramble in a few days.

http://www.BS.com/guerrero-ayd ... man--88268

NateJR wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Someone mentioned thurman-brook on the British forum. I think whilst Thurman is the superior athlete, brook is quite talented in that respect himself, and is considerably superior in terms of fundamentals and boxing intangibles.

I think that's a accurate assessment other than the "considerable" part. As I agree Brook is more fundamentally sound across the board in boxing terms, it's not by a considerable margin just as I don't think Thurman is considerably more athletic than Brook. It would be a good fight for both guys and I hope it happens, but at this point I think I'd favor Thurman.

ha ok fair enough considerable was an exaggeration. Slight but discernible would have been better

Badhusker wrote:Apparently Thurman hit Guerrero so hard last night, that the Ghost can't even remember what punch knocked him down. He remembers it as being an over-hand right to the back of the head! He goes on to say that Aydin hit harder than Thurman. Maybe his brain will unscramble in a few days.

http://www.BS.com/guerrero-ayd ... man--88268

... and he wants a rematch to have the remainder of his brain ruined

NateJR wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Someone mentioned thurman-brook on the British forum. I think whilst Thurman is the superior athlete, brook is quite talented in that respect himself, and is considerably superior in terms of fundamentals and boxing intangibles.

I think that's a accurate assessment other than the "considerable" part. As I agree Brook is more fundamentally sound across the board in boxing terms, it's not by a considerable margin just as I don't think Thurman is considerably more athletic than Brook. It would be a good fight for both guys and I hope it happens, but at this point I think I'd favor Thurman.

Agreed,

I think Brook is at his peak at the moment and his technical skills and accuracy are probably a little higher than Guerrero at this point in his career. That said, I think Thurman would win quite comfortably against Brook. I just don't think it would be such a wide margin as what we have seen here.

Good fight though and I certainly would welcome it.

I just finished watching the fight on youtube and for me that win ranks alongside Khans win over Alexander or Brooks win over Porter.

A very impressive victory over a guy on the fringes,
a win that shows he deserves to be in that band of fighters just outside the top 2 or 3

But not a victory that will tell you too much about how he would get on against Brook/Maidana/Khan.
and certainly doesn't tell you if he's capable of putting a dent in Floyd or Pacquiao

And the same goes for Brook and Khans wins.
The 3 performances highlighted that Porter/Guerrero/Alexander are just that level or 2 below
and as impressive as the wins were against solid opponents, don't quite answer the big question