GGG vs middleweight B-Hop

[ikorolev]

very hard to figure out, especially when you dont have world class speed or are prety much flar footed.

Ah, that's why everybody is avoiding him and ones who don't get stopped. I don't remember many fighters ducking Bernard.

okay....and what has x not being ducked being to do with x quality?

I was mainly disproving your ridiculous statements about Golovkin's quality. Don't you think that there is a correlation between a fighter's quality in general and power in particular and a ducking level ?

[Chepppaaa]

i was talking "in general", not particular ggg. in general it is a problem for a boxer with not so great speed and who is flat footed when you face somebody with world class technic like x used to have.

as far as ducking go. sure does power have something to do with being ducked. but being a power puncher doesnt neccesraly mean you beat somebody with high quality technic skills.

i realy start to hate this forum again. you guys always put words into somebodys mouth he did not said.

[KBB]

Hopkins by KO/TKO, if he was good enough to stop Tito and Oscar then he'll damn sure be good enough to stop an unproven 3G.

so because Hopkins stopped a former superfeather weight and a welterweight he stops golovkin ...
Hopkins never once beat a good middle weight loads of welterweights but now he's gonna ko the hardest punching middle weight in the last 25 years ,GGG has never been floored as an amateur or pro but Hopkins will manage that......

Yes he can manage that, he is smarter and better than anyone 3G has faced, he knocked down far bigger fighters with as much punching power as Golovkin and he has done it time and time again (Calzaghe, Pascal at least 3 times though not counted properly as such and Shumenov).

Why do you guys act as if Golovkin is some type of Superman that cannot be beaten? Golovkin has yet to face anyone near the league of skills in offense and defense that BHop has, plus BHop is taller, longer reach and a great chin.

If you stopped long enough to take Golovkin's pole outta your anus and mouth then maybe you'd realize why I stated such things and that it isn't impossible for Hopkins to be able to pull this off against him.

[ikorolev]

it isn't impossible for him to be able to pull this off against him.

Can you say the same in English ?

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Hopkins.

Golovkin, as good as he is, he a bit of an unknown quantity, due to the lack of a 'superfight' during his reign.

This obviously doesn't mean to say that Golovkin couldn't win, but it's hard for me to imagine him beating Hopkins, whereas I can imagine Hopkins beating him.

[KBB]

it isn't impossible for Hopkins to be able to pull this off against him.

Can you say the same in English ?

fixed!

[ikorolev]

it isn't impossible for Hopkins to be able to pull this off against him.

Can you say the same in English ?

fixed!

Of course, it isn't for prime Hopkins. However, it would not be a one-sided beating from any side.

[KBB]

Of course, it isn't for prime Hopkins. However, it would not be a one-sided beating from any side.

We don't know that, which is why 3G needs to fight him in order to prove it but a Prime Hopkins would be far too much for Golovkin.

I'm just not sure why people are willing to throw Golovkin in their with a prime Hopkins believing dude is ready when he is so unproven against anyone at, near or even remotely close to being on the level of Hopkins.

Nevermind, I realize that I'm speaking about Golovkin fans.

[ikorolev]

I wish they arranged the fight with 50-year old Hopkins. Not sure why Bernard is not up to it, but is chasing Froch or Chavez who don't want to fight him.

[KBB]

I wish they arranged the fight with 50-year old Hopkins. Not sure why Bernard is not up to it, but is chasing Froch or Chavez who don't want to fight him.

BHop already called him out and asked for it but Golovkin's camp hasn't responded or doesn't want it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2266 ... y-golovkin

[ikorolev]

I wish they arranged the fight with 50-year old Hopkins. Not sure why Bernard is not up to it, but is chasing Froch or Chavez who don't want to fight him.

BHop already called him out and asked for it but Golovkin's camp hasn't responded or doesn't want it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2266 ... y-golovkin

If he really wanted to fight Gennady, he should have called Loefler. "Calling out" is just words, especially when Golovkin had already a fight scheduled. I haven't heard Hopkins mentioning Golovkin in the last few weeks when GGG was open. Surely they would prefer Bernard to Monroe Jr.

[KBB]

If he really wanted to fight Gennady, he should have called Loefler. "Calling out" is just words, especially when Golovkin had already a fight scheduled. I haven't heard Hopkins mentioning Golovkin in the last few weeks when GGG was open. Surely they would prefer Bernard to Monroe Jr.

He did speak with Loefler in April 2013 which even Loefler confirmed that he said they wanted that fight with him and Nard said "Come get this work" and then we heard nothing else from the Golovkin camp.

Basically everyone who asked for 3G was shut down by Loefler and some excuse or statement was made as to why they were unable to get him, remember the Lara call out? How about the Andres, Dirrell and Ward call outs?? What was Loefler's responses to all??

What about when Sergio Mora called him out? What was Loefler's response?

Loefler makes more excuses than Bob Arum and most of his excuses are not justified; he said that Ward was no draw but Willie Monroe is??

[ikorolev]

If he really wanted to fight Gennady, he should have called Loefler. "Calling out" is just words, especially when Golovkin had already a fight scheduled. I haven't heard Hopkins mentioning Golovkin in the last few weeks when GGG was open. Surely they would prefer Bernard to Monroe Jr.

He did speak with Loefler in April 2013 which even Loefler confirmed that he said they wanted that fight with him and Nard said "Come get this work" and then we heard nothing else from the Golovkin camp.

Basically everyone who asked for 3G was shut down by Loefler and some excuse or statement was made as to why they were unable to get him, remember the Lara call out? How about the Andres, Dirrell and Ward call outs?? What was Loefler's responses to all??

What about when Sergio Mora called him out? What was Loefler's response?

Loefler makes more excuses than Bob Arum and most of his excuses are not justified; he said that Ward was no draw but Willie Monroe is??

Why are you talking about 2013 ? At that time Hopkins couldn't fight on HBO. Why are you talking about Haymon fighters, Dirrell, Lara and Mora ? Don't you know that they can't fight on HBO. Has Haymon ever approached Loefler ? And how are LMW Lara unknown to wide public and shot Mora better than Monroe Jr ?

Ward couldn't fight due to his legal battle. Now his promoters say that he needs two tuneups before fighting GGG.

[Monte Fisto]

until GGG finishes his career its unfair to say. Need to further understand GGG's metal.

[observer1]

What's this "not real MW" BS.

What purpose is it moving up or down Weight Classes.

Tito was undefeated and a champion at MW. He got KO'd by Hopkins.

DLH wanted to the fight at 158. Hopkins came in at 156 and KO'd him.

Hopkins UD's GGG all day long

So, if GGG beats Cotto, he will get full credit for that ? Noway.

Cotto?

Felix Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya were leagues above Cotto ever will get

[KBB]

Cotto? Felix Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya were leagues above Cotto ever will get

I disagree with this, did Oscar really win that fight with Sturm in becoming a MW titlist?? Cotto won his fight without a doubt and against a far better contender than both of them did; Trinidad beat Joppy who wasn't all that and certainly no better than Sergio Martinez.

[jezzamundo]

Cotto? Felix Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya were leagues above Cotto ever will get

I disagree with this, did Oscar really win that fight with Sturm in becoming a MW titlist?? Cotto won his fight without a doubt and against a far better contender than both of them did; Trinidad beat Joppy who wasn't all that and certainly no better than Sergio Martinez.

I would agree that a prime Martinez is better than both Sturm and Joppy, but I'd strongly disagree that the version of Martinez who Cotto faced is as good as the version of Sturm who DLH 'beat' and the version of Joppy, who Trinidad impressively KO'd. Sergio was already past his prime and was fighting on one good leg - a big problem for a guy whose defense relied on his formerly quick feet.

[KBB]

I would agree that a prime Martinez is better than both Sturm and Joppy, but I'd strongly disagree that the version of Martinez who Cotto faced is as good as the version of Sturm who DLH 'beat' and the version of Joppy, who Trinidad impressively KO'd. Sergio was already past his prime and was fighting on one good leg - a big problem for a guy whose defense relied on his formerly quick feet.

You mean the same one-legged Martinez that beat the big CW in Chavez Jr?? Why is it that this man (Sergio) dismantles Chavez just a year or so earlier all of a sudden is past his prime and the leg excuses came about then??

Cotto whupped him, manhandled him and had he been any better physically I think he still would've gotten handled easily.

[hurricanemitch14]

Its common knowledge that martinez tore his knee out in rd 12......hes looked horrible since.

[KBB]

Its common knowledge that martinez tore his knee out in rd 12......hes looked horrible since.

Yeah right!! I'm certain that beating Cotto gave him had nothing to do with him using that so called tear he suffered as a built-in excuse.

[hurricanemitch14]

Wtf have u not been watching the last few martinez fights, its been an issue every fight.

[Chepppaaa]

kbb being a retard as alwys

[Bard of Boxrec]

hopkins resume from 94-04 is better than gggs resume, but the point is, does that realy matter in a coutcome prime X vs prime GGG?

so hopkins goes into the ring against b-level fighters like robert allen or keith holmes and beat them easily.
so ggg goes into the ring with b-level fighters like murray or geale and beats them easily.

okay, now what, they both can beat b-level fighters, great.

but ones an b+ or a+-level boxer like taylor or jones comes around than hopkins starts losing.....
basicly we would have to weight how ggg fights a b+ or a level kind of boxer, sadly, except quillon who is b+ in my eyes, there is nothing a level type at middleweight except ggg himself, but he cant fight himself, so we cant exactly say how he would do against a. all we know is that X even at his favourite weight at midd. had problems against an a level opponent. and ikorev is right trinidad and oscarito were 147, maybe 154, but they had 0 business at midd.!!!

style wise, i could see prime X make a lot of problems for ggg, by fighting the same style against trinidad, boxing unpredictable, being sharp and with low but precise punch output and being fast on the feet. in the other hand, x would not deal with a blown up welterweight or a b level boxer, he would deal with a guy who some say might be the in the top 5 of the hardest punchers the middleweight division has ever seen, someone who can punch quick to the body, just as good as the the head and is also unpredictable with his looping punches. strength wise they equal, power wise ggg over x all day and technic wise x over ggg all day. tough i'd say ones x realy feels gggs power, he starts running to much and gives up to many rounds, close ud win for ggg.

Never thought I'd say this about you, but...this is a good post, I agree with pretty much everything.

Robert Allen, Keith Holmes, Carl the Squirrel...so what. Trinidad was a good win as was Johnson. A bloated Oscar wasn't. GGG beats every damn middleweight foe Hopkins ever did and more convincingly in many cases. Plus, he would have smashed Taylor while Hopkins couldn't.

[JeanClaude Van Damme]

I always thought the way Hopkins wrecked Glen Johnson was much more impressive than his win over Tito. That version of Hopkins would maul GGG.

[Chepppaaa]

hopkins resume from 94-04 is better than gggs resume, but the point is, does that realy matter in a coutcome prime X vs prime GGG?

so hopkins goes into the ring against b-level fighters like robert allen or keith holmes and beat them easily.
so ggg goes into the ring with b-level fighters like murray or geale and beats them easily.

okay, now what, they both can beat b-level fighters, great.

but ones an b+ or a+-level boxer like taylor or jones comes around than hopkins starts losing.....
basicly we would have to weight how ggg fights a b+ or a level kind of boxer, sadly, except quillon who is b+ in my eyes, there is nothing a level type at middleweight except ggg himself, but he cant fight himself, so we cant exactly say how he would do against a. all we know is that X even at his favourite weight at midd. had problems against an a level opponent. and ikorev is right trinidad and oscarito were 147, maybe 154, but they had 0 business at midd.!!!

style wise, i could see prime X make a lot of problems for ggg, by fighting the same style against trinidad, boxing unpredictable, being sharp and with low but precise punch output and being fast on the feet. in the other hand, x would not deal with a blown up welterweight or a b level boxer, he would deal with a guy who some say might be the in the top 5 of the hardest punchers the middleweight division has ever seen, someone who can punch quick to the body, just as good as the the head and is also unpredictable with his looping punches. strength wise they equal, power wise ggg over x all day and technic wise x over ggg all day. tough i'd say ones x realy feels gggs power, he starts running to much and gives up to many rounds, close ud win for ggg.

Never thought I'd say this about you, but...this is a good post, I agree with pretty much everything.

Robert Allen, Keith Holmes, Carl the Squirrel...so what. Trinidad was a good win as was Johnson. A bloated Oscar wasn't. GGG beats every damn middleweight foe Hopkins ever did and more convincingly in many cases. Plus, he would have smashed Taylor while Hopkins couldn't.

i mean prime x vs prime ggg is a tough call, but you on this one ggg beats every middleeweight opponent of x and surely would TKO taylor.