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ScottDetonator wrote:

crusader wrote:Still a better challenger than the typical Braehmer challenger. Who is the best fighter Braehmer defeated professionally?

I agree but I think most of us agree that Nathan is getting a title shot because of the Matchroom-Sauerland connection. Braehmer will batter him anyway. Cleverly was never a legit champion and to think he could be, with Stevenson and Kovalev up there right now, is just pie in the sky. Cash in while you've got a decent hand.

Beating Braehmer wouldn't make Cleverly a legit champion regardless of how good either is, it's just another plastic WBA belt, Kovalev is the WBA champion.

ScottDetonator wrote:

crusader wrote:Still a better challenger than the typical Braehmer challenger. Who is the best fighter Braehmer defeated professionally?

I agree but I think most of us agree that Nathan is getting a title shot because of the Matchroom-Sauerland connection. Braehmer will batter him anyway. Cleverly was never a legit champion and to think he could be, with Stevenson and Kovalev up there right now, is just pie in the sky. Cash in while you've got a decent hand.

Nathan was as legit a champ as Braehmer was,surely Cleverly was injured in the Bellew rematch and if he goes into a fight with Juergen injury free and can maintain that high work rate he used to then he can upset Braehmer's rhythm

I've mentioned many times I like Braehmer but he can be outhustled by lesser fighters than Cleverly,I'm sure it was the Gutknecht fight where Braehmer kept throwing himself to the ground and complaining to the ref
,also last night Krasniqi caught him with countless flush right hands

It all depends how Nathan copes back down at LHW really

And to think Braehmer's nickname is the '100 yr talent'

reggaereggae wrote:And to think Braehmer's nickname is the '100 yr talent'

I thought he was The Bad Boy of German Boxing

Also Matt Dawson

ScottDetonator wrote:Cleverly has lost 2 out of his last 4 and the last defeat and his last fight, being a terrible performance. His last world title fight was a demolition job by Kovalev. Cleverly just isnt at world level.

Getting destroyed by Kovalev doesn't mean that you aren't world level. Cleverly was clearly injured from very early on in the Bellew fight.

Cleverly has beaten: Murat, Mohammedi, Bellew & Karpency. They're all currently top 15ish ranked fighters.

His record isn't great, but it is enough to show that he is/was world level.

palooka wrote:Prime Cleverley is long gone.

Braehmer has beaten top class boxers as an amateur and gets well paid regardless who he boxes - the English system?

Germany's worse than England.

Horse wrote:

ScottDetonator wrote:Cleverly has lost 2 out of his last 4 and the last defeat and his last fight, being a terrible performance. His last world title fight was a demolition job by Kovalev. Cleverly just isnt at world level.

Getting destroyed by Kovalev doesn't mean that you aren't world level. Cleverly was clearly injured from very early on in the Bellew fight.

Cleverly has beaten: Murat, Mohammedi, Bellew & Karpency. They're all currently top 15ish ranked fighters.

His record isn't great, but it is enough to show that he is/was world level.

If anyone wants to believe Cleverly is/was world level then fair dues, everyone has an opinion. In my book Cleverly was a decent Euro level fighter.

He got gifted the WBO belt meaning he never beat a champion, and he never defended against a single former champion or anyone at world level in his four defences - Bellew, Karpency, Hawk and Krasniqi before Kovalev made him look like a little boy doing the crazy frog dance.

I'm not that bothered if he gets a shot or not but he's not a world level fighter. He hasn't even fought at LHW for about 18 months.

ScottDetonator wrote:I'm not that bothered if he gets a shot or not but he's not a world level fighter. He hasn't even fought at LHW for about 18 months.

Who is world level at light heavyweight then?

You seem to be overly elitist about who qualifies as a world level fighter.

Horse wrote:

ScottDetonator wrote:I'm not that bothered if he gets a shot or not but he's not a world level fighter. He hasn't even fought at LHW for about 18 months.

Who is world level at light heavyweight then?

You seem to be overly elitist about who qualifies as a world level fighter.

I haven't mentioned any names for you to draw that conclusion. I've just stated that Cleverly isn't world level for me. I'd actually suggest that you are probably too quick to qualify a fighter to world level.

ScottDetonator wrote:I haven't mentioned any names for you to draw that conclusion. I've just stated that Cleverly isn't world level for me. I'd actually suggest that you are probably too quick to qualify a fighter to world level.

Name all of the light heavyweights that you consider to be at world level then and prove me wrong.

Horse wrote:

ScottDetonator wrote:I haven't mentioned any names for you to draw that conclusion. I've just stated that Cleverly isn't world level for me. I'd actually suggest that you are probably too quick to qualify a fighter to world level.

Name all of the light heavyweights that you consider to be at world level then and prove me wrong.

I know you love making lists Horse but I don't. It's not about proving anyone right or wrong. You think he's at world level and I don't. Watching his last 20 fights is enough for me instead of making pointless lists.

ScottDetonator wrote:

I know you love making lists Horse but I don't. It's not about proving anyone right or wrong. You think he's at world level and I don't. Watching his last 20 fights is enough for me instead of making pointless lists.

Pointless? Are there even five fighters on your list? Is Braehmer on the list?

Cleverly is a more proven world level fighter than Braehmer.

Horse wrote:

ScottDetonator wrote:

I know you love making lists Horse but I don't. It's not about proving anyone right or wrong. You think he's at world level and I don't. Watching his last 20 fights is enough for me instead of making pointless lists.

Pointless? Are there even five fighters on your list? Is Braehmer on the list?

Cleverly is a more proven world level fighter than Braehmer.

There is no list. I don't sit making lists all day. Get a grip.

ScottDetonator wrote:There is no list. I don't sit making lists all day. Get a grip.

Then I have won the discussion.

Horse wrote:

ScottDetonator wrote:There is no list. I don't sit making lists all day. Get a grip.

Then I have won the discussion.

Did it make your top ten list?

ScottDetonator wrote:

Horse wrote:

ScottDetonator wrote:

I know you love making lists Horse but I don't. It's not about proving anyone right or wrong. You think he's at world level and I don't. Watching his last 20 fights is enough for me instead of making pointless lists.

Pointless? Are there even five fighters on your list? Is Braehmer on the list?

Cleverly is a more proven world level fighter than Braehmer.

There is no list. I don't sit making lists all day. Get a grip.

Get a life and make a list

Horse wrote:

ScottDetonator wrote:There is no list. I don't sit making lists all day. Get a grip.

Then I have won the discussion.

You lost on my list

palooka wrote:You lost on my list

Have a rethink.

palooka wrote:

Horse wrote:

ScottDetonator wrote:There is no list. I don't sit making lists all day. Get a grip.

Then I have won the discussion.

You lost on my list

Don't, you'll be off his Christmas card list.

Horse wrote:

palooka wrote:You lost on my list

Have a rethink.

Yeah, you won - I put you on the wrong side of the list

palooka wrote:Yeah, you won - I put you on the wrong side of the list

ScottDetonator wrote:

Horse wrote:

ScottDetonator wrote:

I know you love making lists Horse but I don't. It's not about proving anyone right or wrong. You think he's at world level and I don't. Watching his last 20 fights is enough for me instead of making pointless lists.

Pointless? Are there even five fighters on your list? Is Braehmer on the list?

Cleverly is a more proven world level fighter than Braehmer.

There is no list. I don't sit making lists all day. Get a grip.

Horse wrote:

ScottDetonator wrote:There is no list. I don't sit making lists all day. Get a grip.

Then I have won the discussion.