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Mr Chepppaaa, do you have trouble with your English?

Chepppaaa wrote:why should unbeaten champ top 5 rated welterweight brook fight a poo boxer who lost 3 out of his 4 last fights in ortiz ??????????????

Ortiz a known name because of his big moment with Mayweather, he's a former World Champion at the weight and he's a very winnable fight for Brook.

Chepppaaa wrote:why should unbeaten champ top 5 rated welterweight brook fight a feather fisted totaly overrated nobody like malignaggi ??????????

Malignaggi is a seasoned operator at World Title level, the guy has been involved in nine/ten World Title fights, he's a former World Champion in two weight divisions and a very winnable fight for Brook.

Kell Brook has already come out and said that he wants to defend his World Title twice this summer (May & August) so he could and maybe should be looking at taking out a few more former World Champions and adding their names to his list.

Chepppaaa wrote:why doesnt it get in your head that khan and brook at are top uk fighters and that so many people from england wanna see that fight

I recognise that they are both top fighters in the weight division, but Amir is looking at more recognised names than Brook. Kell is still building his legacy. Will you say the same thing if DeGale wins the IBF World Super Middleweight Title? Is Froch avoiding him then?

Chepppaaa wrote:and that it would be a massive attraction in any big football stadium in england ?????????????

Well we don't know howm uch it would sell unless the fight actually happens.

Chepppaaa wrote:and how can you put amir khan in aserious discussion against either floyd or pac, when it is totaly unclear if they will fight again after their 300 million dollar fight ???????????

So therefore, according to you - no-one should have "serious dicussions" discuss potential Mayweather or Pacquaio opponents.
Your really a parcel full of wisdom aren't you?

Crease wrote:

KBB wrote:Well how can he beat that opponent if he is unwilling to face him?

You and I both know that there are other fights out there for Brook. It's not going to be difficult for Kell to attract a good fighter because of his World Title, and I would also add his unbeaten record to that. Everyone likes to take a man's 0 for his record.
Just off the top of my head, Kell could call out Malignaggi, Berto, Guerrero, Ortiz or maybe even someone with a massive name - someone like Marquez or Tim Bradley.

And all these options are there for Kell.

KBB wrote:I already pointed out that Khan doesn't deserve Floyd or Manny,

That's only your opinion. Mine would be that Khan should be amongst the forerunners to fight Floyd or Pac next. The guy is an experienced fghter in World Title fights and he's earned his shot a lot more than some of Floyd's opponents:
Victor Ortiz (won 1 World Title fight)
Carlos Baldomir (won 2 World Title fights)
Marcos Maidana (won 2 "full" World Title fights)

There's a strong arguement to say that Floyd meets fighters when they are either too young, naive and the fights always comes too soon for them or that he meets great fighters when they are too old and past-their-best.

Here's the differences in all those fights you mentioned those guys had Belts/Titles when Floyd faced them as opposed to what Amir is proposing that he deserves Mayweather or Manny when he has no belts/titles.

Amir had a chance to face a man in Brook who could've at least presented him with the chance to earn one but instead he'd rather DUCK out and face a man who has nothing but a menial name (Algieri, I laugh so hard when I say his name).

Too bad we have Amir's suck ass fans here to approve of this BS and will defend this nonsense at all costs.

KBB wrote:Here's the differences in all those fights you mentioned those guys had Belts/Titles when Floyd faced them as opposed to what Amir is proposing that he deserves Mayweather or Manny when he has no belts/titles.

If you only value fighters when they are holding World Titles, then your fight logic is very questionable indeed. Boxers don't automatically become bums when they lose a single fight and thus their World Title(s).


That logic is just absurd on the face of it.

KBB wrote:Amir had a chance to face a man in Brook who could've at least presented him with the chance to earn one

Let me ask you this question directly. If DeGale wins the IBF Super Middleweight Title, will you project the same scorn and ridicule at Carl Froch for not fighting him. Especially when I've been hearing reports that Carl has lost his WBA Title and is now Title-less.

KBB wrote:Too bad we have Amir's suck ass fans here to approve of this BS and will defend this nonsense at all costs.

Not at all, I too am a boxing fan and I too would have liked to have seen a Khan vs Brook fight. Only difference between us, is that I don't go overboard with my criticism of Khan. Being truthful, I expect Amir to take the Brook fight within the next 12 months, after Kell has a few defenses of his title, and I'm not getting too worked up about it not happening rightaway.

I would also add that some of Amir's haters (as you seem to be) often struggle to recognise that Amir has been doing very well recently. He has beaten former World Welterweight champions in Collazo and Alexander. And Aelxander was still ranked in the top 10 when Khan beat him. Frankly, I don't see how you can ridicule him for those conclusive victories.

There is so much hypocrisy in boxrec and shown in threads like this its unreal.... People desperately try to single Khan out like he is some sort of exception to the rule, when it comes to selecting fights, when he is very much the norm. Then they have the brass balls to turn around and bitch at people for pointing out the hypocrisy of their assertions. Seems like most people have an agenda these days on boxrec and are happy to single out one guy for 'ducking' then explain why its OK for another guy to do it. Usually it comes down to 'I like that guy so its OK, but that guy's a dick, so its not OK.' Then they do their best to crowbar the facts to make them fit their agenda.... Everyone in the sport is looking for the biggest paydays and winnable fights. In an ideal world the best would fight the best week in, week out, but that doesn't happen. We see the same shit on here when a marquee fighter picks up a dubious or downright awful decision. If you like the guy you defend the decision, call it a close fight and explain why he is moving on to 'bigger fights' (e.g Garcia vs Herrera) and if you don't like the guy you explain why it was the worst decision in the sport.

Crease wrote:Not at all, I too am a boxing fan and I too would have liked to have seen a Khan vs Brook fight. Only difference between us, is that I don't go overboard with my criticism of Khan. Being truthful, I expect Amir to take the Brook fight within the next 12 months, after Kell has a few defenses of his title, and I'm not getting too worked up about it not happening rightaway.

I would also add that some of Amir's haters (as you seem to be) often struggle to recognise that Amir has been doing very well recently. He has beaten former World Welterweight champions in Collazo and Alexander. And Aelxander was still ranked in the top 10 when Khan beat him. Frankly, I don't see how you can ridicule him for those conclusive victories.

I never ridicule the victories I just didn't go overboard on them and assumed that because he beat a few has been Champions that he deserves Manny or Floyd.

Kell doesn't need a few defenses to fight Brook, Amir actually needs to at least beat Kell's #1 contender and then he would have actually earned the right to face Brook.

Yes, you can count me in as an Amir hater if you'd like because I don't agree with fighters who think that they're more deserving than they really are; so what he beat Collazo (what was he at the time of the victory), so what he beat Alexander (who was a former champion by then) does that rightfully place him in line for Floyd or Manny?

I just do not agree that he has done enough to have earned a shot at the super Elites of the WW class, he should face Brook and get a trinket (belt/title) and he would have a little leverage to make more money than he would facing the likes of Brook or anyone else but IMHO he just hasn't done enough especially when you factor in his losses and the way he got beaten in his previous bouts that he has never or yet to avenge.

KBB wrote:

Crease wrote:Not at all, I too am a boxing fan and I too would have liked to have seen a Khan vs Brook fight. Only difference between us, is that I don't go overboard with my criticism of Khan. Being truthful, I expect Amir to take the Brook fight within the next 12 months, after Kell has a few defenses of his title, and I'm not getting too worked up about it not happening rightaway.

I would also add that some of Amir's haters (as you seem to be) often struggle to recognise that Amir has been doing very well recently. He has beaten former World Welterweight champions in Collazo and Alexander. And Aelxander was still ranked in the top 10 when Khan beat him. Frankly, I don't see how you can ridicule him for those conclusive victories.

I never ridicule the victories I just didn't go overboard on them and assumed that because he beat a few has been Champions that he deserves Manny or Floyd.

Kell doesn't need a few defenses to fight Brook, Amir actually needs to at least beat Kell's #1 contender and then he would have actually earned the right to face Brook.

Yes, you can count me in as an Amir hater if you'd like because I don't agree with fighters who think that they're more deserving than they really are; so what he beat Collazo (what was he at the time of the victory), so what he beat Alexander (who was a former champion by then) does that rightfully place him in line for Floyd or Manny?

I just do not agree that he has done enough to have earned a shot at the super Elites of the WW class, he should face Brook and get a trinket (belt/title) and he would have a little leverage to make more money than he would facing the likes of Brook or anyone else but IMHO he just hasn't done enough especially when you factor in his losses and the way he got beaten in his previous bouts that he has never or yet to avenge.

exactly, kbb is right!!!! stupid overrated khan. he should be happy to get the brook fight and stop dreaming about floyd, he is not on the same league.

KBB wrote:Kell doesn't need a few defenses to fight Brook, Amir actually needs to at least beat Kell's #1 contender and then he would have actually earned the right to face Brook.

KBB wrote:Yes, you can count me in as an Amir hater if you'd like because I don't agree with fighters who think that they're more deserving than they really are; so what he beat Collazo (what was he at the time of the victory), so what he beat Alexander (who was a former champion by then) does that rightfully place him in line for Floyd or Manny?

Khan's body of work is more impressive than what Ortiz or Guerrero's was at the times when they fought Mayweather. Undeniably Khan has been better boxers (and more of them) than what the other two did.

And I's say the same thing about Brandon Rios & Chris Algieri when they got fights against Pacman - Khan has beaten better boxers and more of them

Measuring he situations that way, why shouldn't Khan get a fight against either of them?

Chepppaaa wrote:stop dreaming about floyd, he is not on the same league.

That's the problem - who exactly is?

Crease wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:stop dreaming about floyd, he is not on the same league.

That's the problem - who exactly is?

lara, pacquiao....

also guys like thurman and brook posses much more problem against either floyd and pac than khan does. khan is good, but has 0 chin, would get easily outpointed by floyd and kod by pacquiao. thurman because of his super power would have at least a punchers chance and the guy can take a punch. brook is technicly more sound than khan and physicly stronger, he also would pose more problems to pac or floyd, than khan does. khan is b level, where brook and thurman are b+

Chepppaaa wrote:lara, pacquiao....

I wouldn't out Lara up there. In my estimation Mayweather & Pacquaio stand alone on their own level.

Chepppaaa wrote:also guys like thurman and brook posses much more problem against either floyd and pac than khan does.

I disagree. Khan's impressive handspeed makes it very hard to time his punches (a thing that Floyd is brilliant at doing), I'm of the opinion that Amir is one of the few fighters out there who could actually pose Floyd problems.

Chepppaaa wrote:khan is good, but has 0 chin

Your exhaggerating. How can any boxer be a top 10 guy at any weight if he has no chin? Khan lasted 12 gruelling rounds with Maidana - who has 77.5% Stoppage ratio, you don't survive that f you have no chin to speak of.

Chepppaaa wrote:brook is technicly more sound than khan

I would disagree with this statement as well. Khan relies on his speed and his boxing skill, they are what he's all about.

Chepppaaa wrote:khan is b level, where brook and thurman are b+

I disagree again. Khan belongs in the A or A- bracket. And I'd but Brook at B+

But looking at all of this, I don't think we are going to agree on a lot of things Khan-related. We're both entitled to our opinions, let's leave it there.

@ crease


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its so funny, because everything you said is wrong hahahaha....everything hahahahahaha...not just 1 or 2, but everything



In my estimation Mayweather & Pacquaio stand alone on their own level.

they stand in their own league, like the marquez ko or the nearly draw of maidana mayweather never happened hahahaha.......the prime lara of now is easily on the same level as floyd and pac, just because he isnt as famous as them does not mean shit......

and sure amir would pose so many problems to floyd and pac, but cant even get past an overrated danny garcia or petersonhahaha...danny boy wouldnt even last 6 rounds against thurman

Chepppaaa wrote:they stand in their own league, like the marquez ko

I recognise that Marquez caught him cold in their 4 th fight, but you don't seem to acknowledge that Pacquaio had already beaten him twice before that fight even happened.

Chepppaaa wrote:or the nearly draw of maidana mayweather never happened hahahaha

I also recognise that fight, it was one of Floyd's closer bouts, but undoubtedly he won it. For godsake, your actually bringing up fights that Floyd actually won, trying to discredit him?
How exactly does this prove your point that Floyd & Manny aren't on their own level?

Chepppaaa wrote:the prime lara of now is easily on the same level as floyd and pac

Is this the same guy who lost to Canelo & Williams. Congratulations you have now lost the little remaining crediblity that you had left.

Chepppaaa wrote:but cant even get past an overrated danny garcia

It's important to remember that Khan took that fight on very short notice. He had terrible preparation going in to that fight because it was meant to be a rematch against Peterson. Anybody with a brain would recognise that Amir was being impulsive in taking that fight and that he wasn't mature enough to put the fight back a month or two and get reorganise his preparations because he was fighting a completely different opponent. His impulsiveness cost him dearly in that regard.

Chepppaaa wrote:]or peterson

Peterson is a doper. He was caught out taking a Performance Enhancing Drug called "synthetic testosterone", and he was pumped up to the eyeballs when he stepped in to the ring with Khan. He even admitted himself that he took it before the Khan fight.

I thought it was for the rematch he tested positive, and the fight didn't happen because of it? If it was doctor prescribed it doesn't seem like he was trying to beat the system since Peterson was the one that requested random testing. Is there something I am missing?

Crease wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:they stand in their own league, like the marquez ko

I recognise that Marquez caught him cold in their 4 th fight, but you don't seem to acknowledge that Pacquaio had already beaten him twice before that fight even happened.

Chepppaaa wrote:or the nearly draw of maidana mayweather never happened hahahaha

I also recognise that fight, it was one of Floyd's closer bouts, but undoubtedly he won it. For godsake, your actually bringing up fights that Floyd actually won, trying to discredit him?
How exactly does this prove your point that Floyd & Manny aren't on their own level?

Chepppaaa wrote:the prime lara of now is easily on the same level as floyd and pac

Is this the same guy who lost to Canelo & Williams. Congratulations you have now lost the little remaining crediblity that you had left.

Chepppaaa wrote:but cant even get past an overrated danny garcia

It's important to remember that Khan took that fight on very short notice. He had terrible preparation going in to that fight because it was meant to be a rematch against Peterson. Anybody with a brain would recognise that Amir was being impulsive in taking that fight and that he wasn't mature enough to put the fight back a month or two and get reorganise his preparations because he was fighting a completely different opponent. His impulsiveness cost him dearly in that regard.

Chepppaaa wrote:]or peterson

Peterson is a doper. He was caught out taking a Performance Enhancing Drug called "synthetic testosterone", and he was pumped up to the eyeballs when he stepped in to the ring with Khan. He even admitted himself that he took it before the Khan fight.

the statemant about lara vs williams and canelo shows me everything i need to know about your understanding about boxing

Khan is still probably annoyed that he won the official poll against maidana to fight floyd then floyd went against his fans wishes and fought maidana, floyd himself must have found him worthy to throw his name in there, that wasn't a good look for floyd either going against his fans decision

Badhusker wrote:I thought it was for the rematch he tested positive, and the fight didn't happen because of it? If it was doctor prescribed it doesn't seem like he was trying to beat the system

He's already admitted that that he took Sythetic Testosterone (a substance which is recognised as a Performance Enhancing Drug) before the Amir Khan fight - as can be found here: 9and this was just a quick goggle search)
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/79 ... ne-pellets

Peterson tested positive for a substance "consistent with the administration of an anabolic steroid such as testosterone," according to a letter the NSAC received from the Las Vegas-based Voluntary Anti-Doping Association that was obtained by ESPN.com.

Badhusker wrote:since Peterson was the one that requested random testing. Is there something I am missing?

He said that he used it as treatment for a valid medical condition, and yet he didn't report it to to the Nevada Athletic Commission.

Let's face it, the guy is shady and he's a cheat. Do any of us know how good he is without his PEDs? And I wonder if he's still taking them now?

Khan because of his pathetic desperation to get the Mayweather fight and fighting people with little power.

Crease wrote:

KBB wrote:Kell doesn't need a few defenses to fight Brook, Amir actually needs to at least beat Kell's #1 contender and then he would have actually earned the right to face Brook.

KBB wrote:Yes, you can count me in as an Amir hater if you'd like because I don't agree with fighters who think that they're more deserving than they really are; so what he beat Collazo (what was he at the time of the victory), so what he beat Alexander (who was a former champion by then) does that rightfully place him in line for Floyd or Manny?

Khan's body of work is more impressive than what Ortiz or Guerrero's was at the times when they fought Mayweather. Undeniably Khan has been better boxers (and more of them) than what the other two did.

And I's say the same thing about Brandon Rios & Chris Algieri when they got fights against Pacman - Khan has beaten better boxers and more of them

Measuring he situations that way, why shouldn't Khan get a fight against either of them?

You want to know why? I'll tell you why, what does beating Khan offer either Manny or Floyd?? Nothing but a payday and not necessarily a huge one at that but if Amir grows a pair of balls and fight Kell, what does it net him?? I bet if he was to win that belt/title from Brook then he'd place himself right in the heart of the matter vs Floyd or Manny because whichever of them wins their fight they'd be lining it all up to be the unified champ.

I'm not sure what part of this do you not understand.

KBB wrote:You want to know why? I'll tell you why, what does beating Khan offer either Manny or Floyd?? Nothing but a payday

As compared to a payday when they fought their previous opponents... What was Algireri or Rios for Pacman? A payday, winning those fights aren't terribly significant when we'll talk about his legacy in his future.
And the same would be said for Mayweather when he defeated Ortiz or Guerrero.

KBB wrote: and not necessarily a huge one at that but if Amir grows a pair of balls and fight Kell, what does it net him??

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Kell Brook. Brook is not relevant in a conversation when discussing the merits of Amir Khan vs Floyd or Pac.

You all over the place when discussing Khan, first you speak of him not deserving a fight against them, then you start discussing how you would see the potential fight - which are two very different conversations entirely.

KBB wrote:I bet if he was to win that belt/title from Brook then he'd place himself right in the heart of the matter vs Floyd or Manny

Your not qualified to say that. Only Floyd or Manny knows what they'll do after their fight, let's not talk about this as if anything is a certainty like the way you are - there are no guarantees here.

Crease wrote:Your not qualified to say that. Only Floyd or Manny knows what they'll do after their fight, let's not talk about this as if anything is a certainty like the way you are - there are no guarantees here.

I have no unhealthy obsession with Brook but I do have a huge disdain for a crap guy like Khan who is delusional enough to believe that beating a guy like an Algieri or beating a guy like Alexander (both which have no belts/titles at the time) somehow puts him in the Pacquiao or Mayweather Lottery.

You say I'm not qualified to say that but I can almost assure you that if Floyd wins and Khan was to beat Brook that should Mayweather fight one more fight it would be against Khan in Wembley or Sheffield, somewhere overseas based on the following:

Mayweather has a history of fighting champions, go look and see for yourself.
Mayweather has stated openly "he would love to fight overseas, particularly for his fans over in the UK".
Mayweather loves money, we all know this; a fight between the two of them makes huge bucks over there and is an instant sell out whichever venue they chose there.

If those two things aren't big enough indicators in themselves, then what is??

Of course there are no guarantees but we know Floyd is a businessman and there is little reason or incentive for him to turn down such a huge opportunity, especially when it solidifies all the belts/titles, gives him a huge payday, he fulfills his claim of wanting to fight overseas for his UK fans, he fulfills his contract obligations with Showtime for all the fights he's agreed to and should he win he goes out undefeated and undisputed.

Mayweather knows that good business makes good business sense, or in this case cents!!

KBB wrote:I have no unhealthy obsession with Brook but I do have a huge disdain for a crap guy like Khan who is delusional enough to believe that beating a guy like an Algieri or beating a guy like Alexander (both which have no belts/titles at the time) somehow puts him in the Pacquiao or Mayweather Lottery.

Your disdain for Khan is painstakingly obvious, as such you have allowed this to swerve any objective opinion that you might have against Amir Khan...

But let me ask you this:
If Amir Khan was to fight Kell Brook this summer and defeat him (probably by a wide UD) would you finally acknowledge Amir as the very good fighter that he is? Would this be enough to silence you as a critic?

Crease wrote:Your disdain for Khan is painstakingly obvious, as such you have allowed this to swerve any objective opinion that you might have against Amir Khan...

But let me ask you this:
If Amir Khan was to fight Kell Brook this summer and defeat him (probably by a wide UD) would you finally acknowledge Amir as the very good fighter that he is? Would this be enough to silence you as a critic?

I'll answer your question if you answer this; when did I say Amir wasn't a very good fighter??

Now to answer your question, I'm a very fair person and I always give credit where it is due but for some reason you continue to misconstrue what I have been saying over and over; Khan hasn't done anything to deserve a fight with Floyd or Manny yet. Sure he's beaten some ex-champion(s) and some hasbeens but he's being offered a chance to grab a title/belt of which he has neglected or elected not to do and instead he has chosen Algieri rather than get himself a trinket (belt) in the game vs either Manny or Floyd.

What part of this do you not understand that if Khan beats Kell who has a title that it will surely make either fight (Manny or Floyd) more of a likelihood especially since either would probably want to unify afterwards? Khan has a bigger name than Brook, if he wins he can use the belt/title as leverage to eek out a little more money in a fight with either man.

Based on this knowledge there is no reason for Khan not to face Brook, especially since he is choosing Algieri where he stands to gain nothing but monetary gain from.

is khan also under haymon?

sorry, but NOW, khan and adonis are 2 and 3 for me,

the new duck king is cotto, i mean, the man has achieved so much, is such a big star in boxing, couldve choosing so many quality guys around midd and 154, ggg, quillin, charlo bros, lara, andrade, i mean either accomplished stars like lara or undefeated athletic young guns like charlo or andrade and what does we get? a 34 year old, totaly unathletic powerless boxer who lost 2 out of his last 4 fights ...i am speechless....why, why even considering geale, he is a nobody, he last 3 rounds against the elite, why even considering this dude, i mea, i would have nothing against cotto hiring him as a sparring partner, but a boxing bout, are you kidding me.

caldo2025 wrote:To me, there's not even a question. Adonis verbally agreed to fight the Krusher last year and then backed out to fight 2 joureymen (1 knocked him down). Khan, though I think Chep's delusional remark is perfect, never ducked out of a fight he agreed to. Quite the opposite, he only wants to fight the best, elite, top money guys. I'd rather a boxer hold out for a great fight than fight a bunch of unappealing ones (GGG).

Garcia was just one of Haymon's studs reigned back last year awaiting for PBC to presented. First fight of the year is against Lamont Peterson and that excludes him from the list for sure. That is going to be a classic fight and possibly FOY that no one is talking about right now.

Lastly, I know you couldn't list everyone but i'd really like to Andre Ward on this list. This guy is an absolute joke. The balls he's got commentating at boxing events during this ridiculous hiatus and now trying to dictate A sides of his fights. How the WBA hasn't stripped him of his title by now is ridiculous. Ward will avoid GGG and Kovalev, that's a guarantee. He wins one tournament filled with mediocre talent and ends up on P4P lists. He hasn't beaten any elite fighters in my opinion. Poser.

Do you not consider Carl Froch to be an elite fighter?