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ikorolev wrote:Golovkin is half-Russian, and his first language is Russian, so Pipi is sort of correct about that. He also correct stating that we know he hates Russians.

About the essence of what he said: it is ridiculous to think that Gennady would fight Ward of a punching version of Monroe the same way he fought yesterday. He was easily outboxing Monroe in the first two rounds landing a great left hook which Monroe didn't even see due to Gennady's craftiness. The crowd pleasing way of fighting after the second round was his choice, not limitation.

The same way, as Brut and Pipi were wrong predicting Hopkins to school Kovalev, they are wrong predicting anybody to expose Golovkin. As soon as those "greater fighters" will stop hiding and finding reasons to avoid GGG, everybody will see how skilled he is.

He has a couple of great fighters (Ward and Lara) that want to fight him but he is unwilling to move to either weight class to fight them but readily accepts moving to 154 for a Floyd fight while ducking Erislandy.

Explain that please, and don't give me that BS argument about Lara not being a PPV draw. To that idiot Vicky, I actually like Lomachenko better than Russell (who I feel is somewhat overrated) but I guess that makes me racist towards Gary, huh??

GGG would drop to a lower weight class, not only to make a gigantic check, but beating Floyd would make him an instant megastar. A bit like fighting Oscar did for Floyd.

Compared to...

Moving down in weight to fight a fighter who doesn't bring a fraction of the pay as Mayweather, and stinks up the joint. Not to mention just lost his next to last bout. Lara hasn't really made a big name for himself or brings the money. Why drop out of your class for that? If Lara wants G bad enough, he can move up.

Seems pretty simple to me. But of course, the sillies will say he's ducking. Same ol stuff.

Impractical Poster wrote:GGG would drop to a lower weight class, not only to make a gigantic check, but beating Floyd would make him an instant megastar. A bit like fighting Oscar did for Floyd.

Compared to...

Moving down in weight to fight a fighter who doesn't bring a fraction of the pay as Mayweather, and stinks up the joint. Not to mention just lost his next to last bout. Lara hasn't really made a big name for himself or brings the money. Why drop out of your class for that? If Lara wants G bad enough, he can move up.

Seems pretty simple to me. But of course, the sillies will say he's ducking. Same ol stuff.

Oscar didn't do anything for Floyd, Mayweather moved up and met all of DLH's demands, more like DLH did for Pacquiao would be more like it.

So now you guys are making an excuse for GGG to fight at 154 but only for Floyd, well I have news for you; you won't get a fight with Floyd right away unless you go through one of the other top guys at the weight class.

If this was the other way around and GGG was the superstar then you'd call Floyd out for only looking for a payday and ducking.

Why you guys cannot be honest and fair in regards to this? Since when does a fighter get to fight the top dog without going through at least one or two of the top guys in that division??

Stop making excuses and giving GGG a pass, if he tries to fight Floyd for money while passing up a fight with Lara then he is ducking.

SenorPipino wrote:Of course I could be wrong.

You should post this disclaimer with all your drivel.

KBB wrote: Since when does a fighter get to fight the top dog without going through at least one or two of the top guys in that division??

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1652401

KBB wrote:Stop making excuses and giving GGG a pass, if he tries to fight Floyd for money while passing up a fight with Lara then he is ducking.

So according to your logic if Floyd fights Cotto for money while passing up a fight with GGG then he is ducking?

Based on the most recent perfromances I think in regards to P4P Floyd and GGG are miles apart. Floyd put on a BOXING clinic whilst GGG seemed to be below par, getting tagged more often than I have seen previously. GGG is great for the sport, he's entertaimning and very likeable and he's Ko'ing people which the masses want to see. However I think he is a way off Floyd in regards to P4P, for now!!

amwsnw wrote:Based on the most recent perfromances I think in regards to P4P Floyd and GGG are miles apart. Floyd put on a BOXING clinic whilst GGG seemed to be below par, getting tagged more often than I have seen previously. GGG is great for the sport, he's entertaimning and very likeable and he's Ko'ing people which the masses want to see. However I think he is a way off Floyd in regards to P4P, for now!!

So, if GGG stops Floyd while getting tagged even more often, Floyd will still be better ???

punchoutsb wrote:So according to your logic if Floyd fights Cotto for money while passing up a fight with GGG then he is ducking?

No because Cotto is the Lineal Titleholder. If Cotto didn't have the lineal title and GGG did and Mayweather picked Miguel instead then you can bet that I'd be here saying he is ducking.

KBB wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:GGG would drop to a lower weight class, not only to make a gigantic check, but beating Floyd would make him an instant megastar. A bit like fighting Oscar did for Floyd.

Compared to...

Moving down in weight to fight a fighter who doesn't bring a fraction of the pay as Mayweather, and stinks up the joint. Not to mention just lost his next to last bout. Lara hasn't really made a big name for himself or brings the money. Why drop out of your class for that? If Lara wants G bad enough, he can move up.

Seems pretty simple to me. But of course, the sillies will say he's ducking. Same ol stuff.

Oscar didn't do anything for Floyd, Mayweather moved up and met all of DLH's demands, more like DLH did for Pacquiao would be more like it.

So now you guys are making an excuse for GGG to fight at 154 but only for Floyd, well I have news for you; you won't get a fight with Floyd right away unless you go through one of the other top guys at the weight class.

If this was the other way around and GGG was the superstar then you'd call Floyd out for only looking for a payday and ducking.

Why you guys cannot be honest and fair in regards to this? Since when does a fighter get to fight the top dog without going through at least one or two of the top guys in that division??

Stop making excuses and giving GGG a pass, if he tries to fight Floyd for money while passing up a fight with Lara then he is ducking.

OK, let's put this into perspective. Lara calling out GGG to come down to 154 is on par with Mauricio Herrera calling out Mayweather to come down to 140 for a fight. Do you really think a reasonable fan would accuse Floyd of ducking if he stated he would only drop down to 140 for the biggest challenge that brought in the most money?

Does this make it a bit clearer?

KBB wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:So according to your logic if Floyd fights Cotto for money while passing up a fight with GGG then he is ducking?

No because Cotto is the Lineal Titleholder. If Cotto didn't have the lineal title and GGG did and Mayweather picked Miguel instead then you can bet that I'd be here saying he is ducking.

But Lara isn't the lineal champion, so how then by your logic could GGG duck him by wanting to fight Mayweather?

And no, no you would not be saying he was ducking GGG.

punchoutsb wrote:But Lara isn't the lineal champion, so how then by your logic could GGG duck him by wanting to fight Mayweather?

And no, no you would not be saying he was ducking GGG.

I never said that Lara was the lineal champion, Cotto is at MW and I also stated that GGG wouldn't just be able to jump to the front of the line without beating at least one of the top 5 guys at Jr MW.

I asked when has a fighter ever just been able to drop down and face the top guy without going through at least one of the other top 5 contenders?

The stone cold truth is GGG isnt fighting Ward until he cashes in at least one of those doozy Canelo - Cotto paydays. If he fights Ward and predictably loses (which he would) it would crush him at the bargaining table with Canelo and Cotto. His team isnt about to let that happen until he makes the real $ fighting at least 1 of those guys I mentioned. As for Lara, that fight is way, way too high risk/low reward for GGG. That's another fight that will absolutely never happen until he cashes in with a Canelo or Cotto cash cow first.

KBB wrote: I never said that Lara was the lineal champion, Cotto is at MW and I also stated that GGG wouldn't just be able to jump to the front of the line without beating at least one of the top 5 guys at Jr MW.

Well then surely Floyd should fight GGG (a "top 5 guy") before fighting the lineal champ in Cotto? You're all over the place man.

KBB wrote:I asked when has a fighter ever just been able to drop down and face the top guy without going through at least one of the other top 5 contenders?

And I answered you (although you didn't say "drop down" originally...I'm guessing its some sort of cover word now):

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1652401

ikorolev wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:

cocka09 wrote:For the record; Andre Ward will school GGG.

I don't think he'd ''school'' him, in that I don't think it would be easy and one sided.

But I do think he'd win. As always though I have to add the disclaimer, if he is the same fighter upon his return.

Now you should also add "if he can still comfortably make 168".

I don't know, I mean he wasn't a huge supper middle. But yeah, should he have gained significant mass that would certainly be a potential factor.

ikorolev wrote:

amwsnw wrote:Based on the most recent perfromances I think in regards to P4P Floyd and GGG are miles apart. Floyd put on a BOXING clinic whilst GGG seemed to be below par, getting tagged more often than I have seen previously. GGG is great for the sport, he's entertaimning and very likeable and he's Ko'ing people which the masses want to see. However I think he is a way off Floyd in regards to P4P, for now!!

So, if GGG stops Floyd while getting tagged even more often, Floyd will still be better ???

Werent we talking about the P4P king ? GGG has to do that (stop Floyd )before that is even contemplated.

amwsnw wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

amwsnw wrote:Based on the most recent perfromances I think in regards to P4P Floyd and GGG are miles apart. Floyd put on a BOXING clinic whilst GGG seemed to be below par, getting tagged more often than I have seen previously. GGG is great for the sport, he's entertaimning and very likeable and he's Ko'ing people which the masses want to see. However I think he is a way off Floyd in regards to P4P, for now!!

So, if GGG stops Floyd while getting tagged even more often, Floyd will still be better ???

Werent we talking about the P4P king ? GGG has to do that (stop Floyd )before that is even contemplated.

No he doesn't, nor is that in keeping with the p4p status, GGG would stop Floyd easily but you'd have to factor in the major size discrepancy. P4P is about skill regardless of size. GGG is the full package, Floyd on the other hand is way past his prime to the point of having zero offense, he's pretty much Hopkins.