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ClivePatrickLyons wrote:A JUMBO JET IS SIMILAR TO A FIGHTER JET................THEY BOTH CAN FLY.....THATS WHERE THE SIMALARITIE'S END GET MY DRIFT punchoutsb
Sorry about the Grammer/spelling didn't know this was a spelling forum isn't it a BOXING forum.

FOOT-NOTE.............
if some-one put a vacuum cleaner down your throat or somewhere where the sun don't shine and proceeded to suck the bullshit out of you
YOU WOULD FIT INTO A MATCH BOX

You really got your little feelings hurt by being shown you were wrong, didn't you little guy.

I apologize, I had no idea that it would hurt your little feelings so much being shown that you were wrong. Next time I'll let you wallow in your delusional fantasies.

Enjoy talking about how things that have already happened will never happen

punchoutsb Mate what does sb stand for ........Sorry mate I won't tease you....... can we just look at it like this if our debate was a boxing
match and not a strongman contest or a ufc match but yes a boxing match the ref would have saved you from further punishment
day's ago for ever on this debate it's already been WON BY MEEEEEEEEEEEE

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:punchoutsb Mate what does sb stand for ........Sorry mate I won't tease you....... can we just look at it like this if our debate was a boxing
match and not a strongman contest or a ufc match but yes a boxing match the ref would have saved you from further punishment
day's ago for ever on this debate it's already been WON BY MEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why would you call this a debate? A debate is between equals making valid points. This is you tail spinning out of control because your point that the UFC would never have a 40 year old champ, when they have in fact already had a 40 year old champ, was invalid.

But it's all cool. I understand that you need to win this "debate" in order to give your existence some meaning. So you can have the internet victory point you so joyously squeal about in your above post. You beat me like James Toney beat Randy Couture (you know, the UFC's 40 year old champ)

punchoutsb wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:punchoutsb Mate what does sb stand for ........Sorry mate I won't tease you....... can we just look at it like this if our debate was a boxing
match and not a strongman contest or a ufc match but yes a boxing match the ref would have saved you from further punishment
day's ago for ever on this debate it's already been WON BY MEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why would you call this a debate? A debate is between equals making valid points. This is you tail spinning out of control because your point that the UFC would never have a 40 year old champ, when they have in fact already had a 40 year old champ, was invalid.

But it's all cool. I understand that you need to win this "debate" in order to give your existence some meaning. So you can have the internet victory point you so joyously squeal about in your above post. You beat me like James Toney beat Randy Couture (you know, the UFC's 40 year old champ)

I cannot help myself D keep going i'll get the vacuum cleaner

Fancy that, another post re UFC and Boxing.
Aussie rules is better than NFL, wait, soccer is better than both, hang on Rugby is the best.....we have to be able to compare them as they are all played with a ball !!
This argument is old. Have a look at the fights coming up in the squared circle in the next 3 weeks - great contests week in and out. No need to compare it against a totally different combat sport.

Boxing and Ultimate Fighting are two clearly different sports and the only competition there is between the two comes from the nights where they stage the events on the same day. Simple math will show you that Boxing PPV numbers dwarf UFC numbers. The average Floyd Mayweather Jr fight would be well over UFC's record gate in PPV.

The products are so different from each other. It's like comparing a cookie to ice cream. They are both desserts but they are not the same thing. Some fans that love boxing also enjoy watching UFC like myself. I would never opt to watch UFC if a good fight was on but i have friends that would do that and it's just because they were never boxing purists. I can appreciate that and understand it but boxing has and will maintain a larger, loyal fan base than UFC.

[quote="ClivePatrickLyons]
I cannot help myself D keep going i'll get the vacuum cleaner [/quote]

Try not to let your sadness that Randy Couture exists spill over into your real life, Clive.

It's ok to be wrong. You should be used to it

punchoutsb wrote:[quote="ClivePatrickLyons]
I cannot help myself D keep going i'll get the vacuum cleaner

Try not to let your sadness that Randy Couture exists spill over into your real life, Clive.

It's ok to be wrong. You should be used to it [/quote][/quote]

Matche's have been evicted matchbox is opened vacuum cleaner ready

caldo2025 wrote:Boxing and Ultimate Fighting are two clearly different sports and the only competition there is between the two comes from the nights where they stage the events on the same day. Simple math will show you that Boxing PPV numbers dwarf UFC numbers. The average Floyd Mayweather Jr fight would be well over UFC's record gate in PPV.

The products are so different from each other. It's like comparing a cookie to ice cream. They are both desserts but they are not the same thing. Some fans that love boxing also enjoy watching UFC like myself. I would never opt to watch UFC if a good fight was on but i have friends that would do that and it's just because they were never boxing purists. I can appreciate that and understand it but boxing has and will maintain a larger, loyal fan base than UFC.

You want to know why UFC is becoming a bigger hit with the casual fan and is a sport on the rise?

It's simple. The best fight the best. Always. In every division. There is no risk/reward matchmaking based on BS personal/financial interests. You have 1 guy TELLING these guys - this is who you are fighting next, and this is what you're getting paid. The fans actually get rewarded. There is no question about who "the man" is. They settle it in the cage. There is no bickering between networks and promoters. It's f'n great. THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE. None of this "he needs me more than I need him" crap we constantly hear with these boxing divas. STFU, losers.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:[quote="ClivePatrickLyons]
I cannot help myself D keep going i'll get the vacuum cleaner

Try not to let your sadness that Randy Couture exists spill over into your real life, Clive.

It's ok to be wrong. You should be used to it

[/quote]

Matche's have been evicted matchbox is opened vacuum cleaner ready [/quote][/quote][/quote]

Do you often fantasize about sucking guys like this? That's weird, Clive...not gonna lie.

diddy wrote:You want to know why UFC is becoming a bigger hit with the casual fan and is a sport on the rise?

It's simple. The best fight the best. Always. In every division. There is no risk/reward matchmaking based on BS personal/financial interests. You have 1 guy TELLING these guys - this is who you are fighting next, and this is what you're getting paid. The fans actually get rewarded. There is no question about who "the man" is. They settle it in the cage. There is no bickering between networks and promoters. It's f'n great. THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE. None of this "he needs me more than I need him" crap we constantly hear with these boxing divas. STFU, losers.

One of the biggest things that the UFC struggles with right now is finding those few special fighters to carry the sport. The reason they can't find it is because the very reason that the best fight the best and the reign of the P4P UFC fighter is far shorter than it is in Boxing. In Boxing, promoters have time to carefully market the boxer and it normally takes years to brighten ones star and fans get more invested into these individuals than they do in the UFC. For instance, Floyd Mayweather has been on top of the sport as P4P best for at least 6 years. You won't find many UFC fighters 6 years in the game, still undefeated or champion. Floyd has been champion for over 15 years and that will never happen to a UFC fighter because a UFC fighters prime is a much smaller window...way smaller than boxing.

caldo2025 wrote:

diddy wrote:You want to know why UFC is becoming a bigger hit with the casual fan and is a sport on the rise?

It's simple. The best fight the best. Always. In every division. There is no risk/reward matchmaking based on BS personal/financial interests. You have 1 guy TELLING these guys - this is who you are fighting next, and this is what you're getting paid. The fans actually get rewarded. There is no question about who "the man" is. They settle it in the cage. There is no bickering between networks and promoters. It's f'n great. THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE. None of this "he needs me more than I need him" crap we constantly hear with these boxing divas. STFU, losers.

One of the biggest things that the UFC struggles with right now is finding those few special fighters to carry the sport. The reason they can't find it is because the very reason that the best fight the best and the reign of the P4P UFC fighter is far shorter than it is in Boxing. In Boxing, promoters have time to carefully market the boxer and it normally takes years to brighten ones star and fans get more invested into these individuals than they do in the UFC. For instance, Floyd Mayweather has been on top of the sport as P4P best for at least 6 years. You won't find many UFC fighters 6 years in the game, still undefeated or champion. Floyd has been champion for over 15 years and that will never happen to a UFC fighter because a UFC fighters prime is a much smaller window...way smaller than boxing.

2 good posts on the subject

caldo2025 wrote:

diddy wrote:You want to know why UFC is becoming a bigger hit with the casual fan and is a sport on the rise?

It's simple. The best fight the best. Always. In every division. There is no risk/reward matchmaking based on BS personal/financial interests. You have 1 guy TELLING these guys - this is who you are fighting next, and this is what you're getting paid. The fans actually get rewarded. There is no question about who "the man" is. They settle it in the cage. There is no bickering between networks and promoters. It's f'n great. THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE. None of this "he needs me more than I need him" crap we constantly hear with these boxing divas. STFU, losers.

One of the biggest things that the UFC struggles with right now is finding those few special fighters to carry the sport. The reason they can't find it is because the very reason that the best fight the best and the reign of the P4P UFC fighter is far shorter than it is in Boxing. In Boxing, promoters have time to carefully market the boxer and it normally takes years to brighten ones star and fans get more invested into these individuals than they do in the UFC. For instance, Floyd Mayweather has been on top of the sport as P4P best for at least 6 years. You won't find many UFC fighters 6 years in the game, still undefeated or champion. Floyd has been champion for over 15 years and that will never happen to a UFC fighter because a UFC fighters prime is a much smaller window...way smaller than boxing.

A mixed martial artists' prime does not occupy a much smaller window, much less a smaller one in general, than boxing. And answer me this.... How long was Anderson Silva the widely recognized P4P king of the sport?

I think what a lot of people fail to grasp is that MMA is still in it's infancy in relation to boxing. In that sense, it's unfair to compare them in certain ways. But you have to admit, for a sport that has only been around for a short time, it has scaled some serious mountains.

UFC is for them high school wrestler bully types.
May weather and Don King both ruined boxing. King is just a sh$t sandwich
and Mayweather' style is as entertaining to watch as women's golf.
If they put guys like Sammy Vasquez Jr, Keith Thurman, GGG, Kovalev and even that tall
Irish goof Fury. You need an assh@le like Fury to mix things up in the sport. I like that Steve Cunningham. He's always in exciting fights. Boxing needs a premier heavyweight. Hopefully Wilder is decent

Impractical Poster wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

diddy wrote:You want to know why UFC is becoming a bigger hit with the casual fan and is a sport on the rise?

It's simple. The best fight the best. Always. In every division. There is no risk/reward matchmaking based on BS personal/financial interests. You have 1 guy TELLING these guys - this is who you are fighting next, and this is what you're getting paid. The fans actually get rewarded. There is no question about who "the man" is. They settle it in the cage. There is no bickering between networks and promoters. It's f'n great. THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE. None of this "he needs me more than I need him" crap we constantly hear with these boxing divas. STFU, losers.

One of the biggest things that the UFC struggles with right now is finding those few special fighters to carry the sport. The reason they can't find it is because the very reason that the best fight the best and the reign of the P4P UFC fighter is far shorter than it is in Boxing. In Boxing, promoters have time to carefully market the boxer and it normally takes years to brighten ones star and fans get more invested into these individuals than they do in the UFC. For instance, Floyd Mayweather has been on top of the sport as P4P best for at least 6 years. You won't find many UFC fighters 6 years in the game, still undefeated or champion. Floyd has been champion for over 15 years and that will never happen to a UFC fighter because a UFC fighters prime is a much smaller window...way smaller than boxing.

A mixed martial artists' prime does not occupy a much smaller window, much less a smaller one in general, than boxing. And answer me this.... How long was Anderson Silva the widely recognized P4P king of the sport?

I think what a lot of people fail to grasp is that MMA is still in it's infancy in relation to boxing. In that sense, it's unfair to compare them in certain ways. But you have to admit, for a sport that has only been around for a short time, it has scaled some serious mountains.

A couple of great points here but i think that the best point is how early it is in the game for the UFC. I think it's unfair to compare the sports at all but if you are, you are correct, it's too early. In a short time it has made great gains. I think that Dana White is paying close attention to the PBC and Haymon's doings. Though Haymon's approach seems to be following White's model mostly, there are some things that the PBC is doing that the UFC is not. Free Championship Bouts, Primetime Saturday Afternoon programming and focusing more on the athlete. I personally think that the UFC has too many PPV events that are ordinary fights and PBC might prove that there's another way for UFC to grow in numbers. Maybe we'll get more great fights without paying every month for UFC action.

To me, UFC and Boxing is like basketball and baseball...two different sports who's seasons overlap. I like having the options to watch both.

UFC has got a long way to go to catch up to boxing with our PEP'S/ARCHIE MOORE'S/DURAN'S,
one day they [UFC] will............. I won't be alive thank fu..

punchoutsb wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:punchoutsb Mate what does sb stand for ........Sorry mate I won't tease you....... can we just look at it like this if our debate was a boxing
match and not a strongman contest or a ufc match but yes a boxing match the ref would have saved you from further punishment
day's ago for ever on this debate it's already been WON BY MEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why would you call this a debate? A debate is between equals making valid points. This is you tail spinning out of control because your point that the UFC would never have a 40 year old champ, when they have in fact already had a 40 year old champ, was invalid.

But it's all cool. I understand that you need to win this "debate" in order to give your existence some meaning. So you can have the internet victory point you so joyously squeal about in your above post. You beat me like James Toney beat Randy Couture (you know, the UFC's 40 year old champ)

B-HOP WILL FIGHT AGAIN.......APPROX, OCT 2015 GUESS WHAT punchoutsb THAT'LL MAKE HIM 50 YEAR'S OLD

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:punchoutsb Mate what does sb stand for ........Sorry mate I won't tease you....... can we just look at it like this if our debate was a boxing
match and not a strongman contest or a ufc match but yes a boxing match the ref would have saved you from further punishment
day's ago for ever on this debate it's already been WON BY MEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why would you call this a debate? A debate is between equals making valid points. This is you tail spinning out of control because your point that the UFC would never have a 40 year old champ, when they have in fact already had a 40 year old champ, was invalid.

But it's all cool. I understand that you need to win this "debate" in order to give your existence some meaning. So you can have the internet victory point you so joyously squeal about in your above post. You beat me like James Toney beat Randy Couture (you know, the UFC's 40 year old champ)

B-HOP WILL FIGHT AGAIN.......APPROX, OCT 2015 GUESS WHAT punchoutsb THAT'LL MAKE HIM 50 YEAR'S OLD

Sweet...but that still doesn't mean Randy Couture doesn't exist

I'd say there are far fewer 'filler' fights on UFC shows, there are far fewer shows than boxing as a sport overall (not that UFC is a sport, but to most people it appears to be as it gets most of the coverage) - and therefore there's less dilution.

I find in general there are far more disappointing boxing shows, shows where it's basically house fighter against opponent, where the opponent has little or not chance of winning - this doesn't happen often in UFC.

UFC is a young sport, and as a result we've not really seen the best of it yet, the strength in depth will be far greater in years to come, there's literally thousands of teenagers in MMA training right now, waiting to burst into the ranks - the sport has barely been around a generation yet.

I think UFC is going to explode in size over the next 20 years, as lots of new blood enters the ranks.

Bear in mind, virtually nobody you're seeing now, has trained from scratch as an MMA fighter, most have come from a single discipline, and worked toward MMA - or are a late coverter like Kimbo slice.

Imagine how good those who have trained for MMA since youth are going to be?

I like both sports, but I find the overall quality of matchups in UFC to be higher.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:punchoutsb Mate what does sb stand for ........Sorry mate I won't tease you....... can we just look at it like this if our debate was a boxing
match and not a strongman contest or a ufc match but yes a boxing match the ref would have saved you from further punishment
day's ago for ever on this debate it's already been WON BY MEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why would you call this a debate? A debate is between equals making valid points. This is you tail spinning out of control because your point that the UFC would never have a 40 year old champ, when they have in fact already had a 40 year old champ, was invalid.

But it's all cool. I understand that you need to win this "debate" in order to give your existence some meaning. So you can have the internet victory point you so joyously squeal about in your above post. You beat me like James Toney beat Randy Couture (you know, the UFC's 40 year old champ)

B-HOP WILL FIGHT AGAIN.......APPROX, OCT 2015 GUESS WHAT punchoutsb THAT'LL MAKE HIM 50 YEAR'S OLD

And so what? Hopkins is the only person in the history of boxing (which is some 200 years or more old, depending on where you start), to fight at that level, to that age - UFC is not even 20 years old.

Couture was fighting at top level at 44 - what's the big deal in 6 years?

I really wish the hardcore boxing fans, etc. will get over it already. MMA is here to stay and it is far and away more accesible and relatable to the public. And whether boxing fans want to admit it or not, the man who is world champion in boxing, is no longer considered the baddest man on the planet. Boxing gyms are becoming less and less, while MMA dojos are popping up everywhere. There are far more men and women becoming mixed martial artists than they are boxers. And it's not MMA's fault either, but boxing itself. Boxing made itself an elitest business, overly regulated by commissions who made it next to impossible for people to promote shows on a frequent basis, etc.

And I love boxing to death. But MMA is winning the war. And in the next 20-30 years, we will see MMA ppv's out do boxing ppv's. Hell, SPIKETV and other channels do INSANE numbers on television whenever there's an MMA card. What's boxing got to offer expect for a monthly special on NBC? There is no real comparison here. Boxing doesn't know how to market itself to the 18-35 demographic anymore, althought guys like Arum, De La Hoya, etc. will say thats not true--- but that's only because they cater to latinos, etc.

HomicideHenry wrote:I really wish the hardcore boxing fans, etc. will get over it already. MMA is here to stay and it is far and away more accesible and relatable to the public. And whether boxing fans want to admit it or not, the man who is world champion in boxing, is no longer considered the baddest man on the planet. Boxing gyms are becoming less and less, while MMA dojos are popping up everywhere. There are far more men and women becoming mixed martial artists than they are boxers. And it's not MMA's fault either, but boxing itself. Boxing made itself an elitest business, overly regulated by commissions who made it next to impossible for people to promote shows on a frequent basis, etc.

And I love boxing to death. But MMA is winning the war. And in the next 20-30 years, we will see MMA ppv's out do boxing ppv's. Hell, SPIKETV and other channels do INSANE numbers on television whenever there's an MMA card. What's boxing got to offer expect for a monthly special on NBC? There is no real comparison here. Boxing doesn't know how to market itself to the 18-35 demographic anymore, althought guys like Arum, De La Hoya, etc. will say thats not true--- but that's only because they cater to latinos, etc.

I couldn't agree more, whilst in boxing we have the odd superfight, which often disappoints, and thousands of other cards worldwide, which often have little more than local or national appeal, UFC is a truly global product, syndicated throughout it's distribution network, and it is a consistently well produced, well staged product at that - something which certainly cannot be said about boxing promotions, even by one promoter.

I think PBC might come into the fray and shake things up a bit, with a single huge stable they will be able to put together consistent product.

One thing which also needs to change in boxing is the obsession with being unbeaten - in MMA fights often lose, and yet go on to achieve great things. In boxing there is an insane desire to protect unbeaten status, as if it meant the end of a career. There's very few guys who went undefeated for long spells in MMA, and with it getting more and more competitive, that will probably be even more so.

I think the future of MMA looks very bright, whereas the future of boxing looks far less so. People in boxing can be as sniffy as they like about MMA, but it's here to stay, and growing all the time.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:I really wish the hardcore boxing fans, etc. will get over it already. MMA is here to stay and it is far and away more accesible and relatable to the public. And whether boxing fans want to admit it or not, the man who is world champion in boxing, is no longer considered the baddest man on the planet. Boxing gyms are becoming less and less, while MMA dojos are popping up everywhere. There are far more men and women becoming mixed martial artists than they are boxers. And it's not MMA's fault either, but boxing itself. Boxing made itself an elitest business, overly regulated by commissions who made it next to impossible for people to promote shows on a frequent basis, etc.

And I love boxing to death. But MMA is winning the war. And in the next 20-30 years, we will see MMA ppv's out do boxing ppv's. Hell, SPIKETV and other channels do INSANE numbers on television whenever there's an MMA card. What's boxing got to offer expect for a monthly special on NBC? There is no real comparison here. Boxing doesn't know how to market itself to the 18-35 demographic anymore, althought guys like Arum, De La Hoya, etc. will say thats not true--- but that's only because they cater to latinos, etc.

I couldn't agree more, whilst in boxing we have the odd superfight, which often disappoints, and thousands of other cards worldwide, which often have little more than local or national appeal, UFC is a truly global product, syndicated throughout it's distribution network, and it is a consistently well produced, well staged product at that - something which certainly cannot be said about boxing promotions, even by one promoter.

I think PBC might come into the fray and shake things up a bit, with a single huge stable they will be able to put together consistent product.

One thing which also needs to change in boxing is the obsession with being unbeaten - in MMA fights often lose, and yet go on to achieve great things. In boxing there is an insane desire to protect unbeaten status, as if it meant the end of a career. There's very few guys who went undefeated for long spells in MMA, and with it getting more and more competitive, that will probably be even more so.

I think the future of MMA looks very bright, whereas the future of boxing looks far less so. People in boxing can be as sniffy as they like about MMA, but it's here to stay, and growing all the time.

The unbeaten record ordeal in boxing is overdone, oversold. Back in the day, undefeated records meant one of two things: Either you fought nobody, or you were a killer. Today, it's given this analogy, that if you dont have an unblemished record you are not the real deal. The sad fact is, most with such records have fought nobody. And when they do face a man with a few losses, they lose badly cus they have faced no adversity. MMA figured out a long time ago that the people in general do not care one iota about records. You can have double digit losses, and as long as you are competitive and exciting, people will buy tickets and ppv's to see you face a champion anyways. Randy Couture was proof of that, retiring with a record of 19 wins, 11 losses.

The problem with boxing, as you said (also) is promotions have no clue how to really market anyone. How many MMA fighters have been in movies or commercials in the passed few years? Ronda Rousey, Jon Jones, Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, Kimbo Slice, Gina Carano, etc. How many boxers have been? Only two. Manny and Floyd. Let's face it. TOPRANK and others could learn a thing or two from the UFC or even the WWE in how to package fighters to the masses.

HomicideHenry wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:I really wish the hardcore boxing fans, etc. will get over it already. MMA is here to stay and it is far and away more accesible and relatable to the public. And whether boxing fans want to admit it or not, the man who is world champion in boxing, is no longer considered the baddest man on the planet. Boxing gyms are becoming less and less, while MMA dojos are popping up everywhere. There are far more men and women becoming mixed martial artists than they are boxers. And it's not MMA's fault either, but boxing itself. Boxing made itself an elitest business, overly regulated by commissions who made it next to impossible for people to promote shows on a frequent basis, etc.

And I love boxing to death. But MMA is winning the war. And in the next 20-30 years, we will see MMA ppv's out do boxing ppv's. Hell, SPIKETV and other channels do INSANE numbers on television whenever there's an MMA card. What's boxing got to offer expect for a monthly special on NBC? There is no real comparison here. Boxing doesn't know how to market itself to the 18-35 demographic anymore, althought guys like Arum, De La Hoya, etc. will say thats not true--- but that's only because they cater to latinos, etc.

I couldn't agree more, whilst in boxing we have the odd superfight, which often disappoints, and thousands of other cards worldwide, which often have little more than local or national appeal, UFC is a truly global product, syndicated throughout it's distribution network, and it is a consistently well produced, well staged product at that - something which certainly cannot be said about boxing promotions, even by one promoter.

I think PBC might come into the fray and shake things up a bit, with a single huge stable they will be able to put together consistent product.

One thing which also needs to change in boxing is the obsession with being unbeaten - in MMA fights often lose, and yet go on to achieve great things. In boxing there is an insane desire to protect unbeaten status, as if it meant the end of a career. There's very few guys who went undefeated for long spells in MMA, and with it getting more and more competitive, that will probably be even more so.

I think the future of MMA looks very bright, whereas the future of boxing looks far less so. People in boxing can be as sniffy as they like about MMA, but it's here to stay, and growing all the time.

The unbeaten record ordeal in boxing is overdone, oversold. Back in the day, undefeated records meant one of two things: Either you fought nobody, or you were a killer. Today, it's given this analogy, that if you dont have an unblemished record you are not the real deal. The sad fact is, most with such records have fought nobody. And when they do face a man with a few losses, they lose badly cus they have faced no adversity. MMA figured out a long time ago that the people in general do not care one iota about records. You can have double digit losses, and as long as you are competitive and exciting, people will buy tickets and ppv's to see you face a champion anyways. Randy Couture was proof of that, retiring with a record of 19 wins, 11 losses.

The problem with boxing, as you said (also) is promotions have no clue how to really market anyone. How many MMA fighters have been in movies or commercials in the passed few years? Ronda Rousey, Jon Jones, Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, Kimbo Slice, Gina Carano, etc. How many boxers have been? Only two. Manny and Floyd. Let's face it. TOPRANK and others could learn a thing or two from the UFC or even the WWE in how to package fighters to the masses.

UFC definitely has great promotion. The Embedded series is top class.