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Has it really been a year since he starched Groves?

Where is my life going?

G0mez wrote:

expe wrote:
I think we can safely say that Gradovich wasn't really worthy of being called fighter of the year.

The IBF indeed named him as their top belt holder.

http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news ... f-the-year

Doesn't mean he was worthy of it. He didn't even beat the mediocre Jayson Velez in his defense prior to facing Selby, which makes the label of top champion hard to accept. Also, while Selby was clearly winning I didn't at all see the masterclass many are talking about. Rounds 2, 4, and 5 could've fairly gone to Gradovich in my opinion (if someone thinks I'm wrong give me specific reasons from those rounds and don't just say I have no idea what I'm talking about), and I believe that some people were persuaded by the markedly biased commentary, which largely glossed over Gradovich's moments of success.

All that said, at this point I would rank Selby ahead of Groves. Groves did well while he lasted against Froch, but on balance I think Selby has the stronger recent resume and form.

Gradovich was top 5 (at least) in a strong division,
Chisora was top 10 (at most) in a weak division.
how can they be considered equal p4p?

Fury better p4p then Selby

SNG wrote:Has it really been a year since he starched Groves?

Where is my life going?

Sshh! Don't articulate those feelings, non of us cope with it.

freddydoesdallas wrote:His best win is over an old (and i mean old) glen johnson. If he was top 10 before then how does 2 stoppage losses plus two poor performances in rebuilding fights justify 7th. At a real push i could just about accept 10 but he should be 11-15. You do a disservice to the othe British (&irish) boxers.

If he ends up winning his world title and beating degale then stick him wherever you want. Until then, he is a former British & commonwealth champion who has failed at genuine world level. No better than bellew, cleverly & mitchell

I've also had Bellew, Cleverly & Mitchell at No. 8 or above at some point.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:Groves was knocked out twice for the IBF title. Selby outclassed the IBF fighter of the year and won the world title.

G0mez wrote:The IBF indeed named him as their top belt holder.

http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news ... f-the-year

That's a nice little award, but he clearly wasn't the actual best IBF champion and I'd say he was much closer to being their worst than their best.

mullenman wrote:My favourite boxer froch off the list now as he has not boxed for a year..


He is retired in my eyes

But he hasn't retired.

crusader wrote:Doesn't mean he was worthy of it. He didn't even beat the mediocre Jayson Velez in his defense prior to facing Selby, which makes the label of top champion hard to accept. Also, while Selby was clearly winning I didn't at all see the masterclass many are talking about. Rounds 2, 4, and 5 could've fairly gone to Gradovich in my opinion (if someone thinks I'm wrong give me specific reasons from those rounds and don't just say I have no idea what I'm talking about), and I believe that some people were persuaded by the markedly biased commentary, which largely glossed over Gradovich's moments of success.

crusader wrote:All that said, at this point I would rank Selby ahead of Groves. Groves did well while he lasted against Froch, but on balance I think Selby has the stronger recent resume and form.

If we're talking the last 12 months then Selby does have the stronger record.

I think losing competitively twice to Froch is better than beating Gradovich though. Froch would annihilate Gradovich with ease in a P4P fight.

keirw wrote:Gradovich was top 5 (at least) in a strong division,
Chisora was top 10 (at most) in a weak division.
how can they be considered equal p4p?

Because Gradovich isn't very good.

Featherweight isn't really any better than heavyweight either.

Ricky_ wrote:Fury better p4p then Selby

Yes.