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Badhusker wrote:Let's see how many of you guys have the boys to bet against Wilder winning his next fight? It is so smart to point out the obvious after a fight is done, isn't it?

Nothing is really obvious with Wilder at this point. We won't know who he is until after the Povetkin fight. A win and he shoots up to a clear number 2 in the division. A loss doesn't tell us as much. It would tell us he's not a top two guy, but could still be the third best. Or he could be a fraud. That's the problem with padded records like his.

I really don't give a rip if he wins or loses, just tired of so many negative people on this board dissing any up and comer saying they have not fought anyone yet. It will never end I guess. Were Wilder's expectations so high that led to this? We all know Molina was chosen for a tune up and to test his hand, I hope. The same guys that dissed him before for not fighting anyone are the same guys that constantly criticize him and any other guys trying to make a name for themselves.

Relax guys, let them fight and all the questions will be answered. Thurman and Andrade are at this tipping point, along with GGG. When a big name mans up to fight these guys, we will find out where they are at.

Very disappointing performance by Wilder...... his lack of defence will bite him on the ass big time he rely's s almost all the time on his POWER
that will be the death of him especially against a fighter like wlad who is almost impossible to hit he [Wilder] claims he will be the face of boxing
in the near future after TBE retire's............he's dreaming

After what I saw... if there was ANY doubts from people before that Fury couldn't beat Wilder... this fight proved that logic wrong. Molina had NO BUSINESS being anywhere near ANY world title, and he rocked Wilder a few times. Only his inexperience, kept him from winning. Tyson would smash Wilder.

HomicideHenry wrote:After what I saw... if there was ANY doubts from people before that Fury couldn't beat Wilder... this fight proved that logic wrong. Molina had NO BUSINESS being anywhere near ANY world title, and he rocked Wilder a few times. Only his inexperience, kept him from winning. Tyson would smash Wilder.

Right now I only see Wlad beating Fury.Povetkin has a chance to beat him but I give that fight a 50/50.
Wilder is not near the fighter that Fury is.

Tyson Fury is a big goof of a man without an ounce of world level agility in his body. He's just....BIG. He's clumsy as hell and cant get out of his own way half the time. Wilder actually has the ability to move around the ring and box from range. He is a much much better athlete than Fury. Both guys can punch. Fury we already know doesnt have the greatest of chins. Wilder's seems to be a tad better but time will tell. Wilder, however, can actually evade punches, unlike Fury, who cant even evade his own punches.

I didn't watch this weekend's fight, nr have I watched much of WIlder in general. But from what I recall, he's terrible at covering his chin. He just leans back.

diddy wrote:Tyson Fury is a big goof of a man without an ounce of world level agility in his body. He's just....BIG. He's clumsy as hell and cant get out of his own way half the time. Wilder actually has the ability to move around the ring and box from range. He is a much much better athlete than Fury. Both guys can punch. Fury we already know doesnt have the greatest of chins. Wilder's seems to be a tad better but time will tell. Wilder, however, can actually evade punches, unlike Fury, who cant even evade his own punches.

So is Wilder, more-so in fact. He's an athlete no doubt and could very well knock Fury out but his technique is horrible. Fury can move and jab a lot better than you're making out (albeit against poor opposition so far).

we all know Deontay is going to be destroyed by the first world class fighter he faces.

funso banjo baby wrote:we all know Deontay is going to be destroyed by the first world class fighter he faces.

Just like Stiverne, right?

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Stiverne is world class?

sendo wrote:Stiverne is world class?

A lot of people get world class and elite mixed together think only elite fighters are world class.

What's not impressive about a 5th round KO?? When GGG didn't look at all that impressive in his last bout not one person criticized him in the manner that Wilder is being picked apart here, I'd say that based on both Molina and Monroe's record aren't exactly filled with A listers.


Sure Wilder showed some vulnerability but isn't that what guy who is learning on the job supposed to show??

fergusg wrote:

ldlamb wrote:Lewis UD Mavrovic
Holyfield UD Bean
Tyson UD Tillis
Holmes UD Lucien Rodriguez
Ali UD Mathis


All these guys must suck too, since they werent able to quickly dispose of average fighters.

Apart from Tillis, the other guys were either world-rated, unbeaten or had never previously been KO'd. They're all better fighters than Molina was.

Holyfield, Holmes & Ali weren't knockout specialists, like Wilder is known as.

They were world rated in the same way Molina was.... None of them were considered truly top contenders. Although, i will grant that HW was MUCH deeper back then.

Tillis had recently lost KO 1 to Witherspoon..... Rodriguez had been KOed twice by Alfredo Evangelista.... And Mathis lost KO2 to Lyle in his next fight, i think.... So they were stoppable.
Wilder having a tougher fight than expected is no different than what every fighter in history has experienced. i could list 20 more examples , easy.

KBB wrote:

Sure Wilder showed some vulnerability but isn't that what guy who is learning on the job supposed to show??

Learning on the job? I thought they were billing him as "the heavyweight world champion".

ldlamb wrote:

fergusg wrote:

ldlamb wrote:Lewis UD Mavrovic
Holyfield UD Bean
Tyson UD Tillis
Holmes UD Lucien Rodriguez
Ali UD Mathis


All these guys must suck too, since they werent able to quickly dispose of average fighters.

Apart from Tillis, the other guys were either world-rated, unbeaten or had never previously been KO'd. They're all better fighters than Molina was.

Holyfield, Holmes & Ali weren't knockout specialists, like Wilder is known as.

They were world rated in the same way Molina was.... None of them were considered truly top contenders. Although, i will grant that HW was MUCH deeper back then.

Tillis had recently lost KO 1 to Witherspoon..... Rodriguez had been KOed twice by Alfredo Evangelista.... And Mathis lost KO2 to Lyle in his next fight, i think.... So they were stoppable.
Wilder having a tougher fight than expected is no different than what every fighter in history has experienced. i could list 20 more examples , easy.

mavrovic was rated much higher than Molina. he was undefeated and more importantly the defending european Champion (defended it 5 or 6 time). mavrovic probably was more like adamek a couple years ago than like Molina.

x2x wrote:

KBB wrote:

Sure Wilder showed some vulnerability but isn't that what guy who is learning on the job supposed to show??

Learning on the job? I thought they were billing him as "the heavyweight world champion".

He is but everyone knows he didn't start out his career as a boxer and that he is still a work in progress. Why can't you see that?

I'd say he's progressing nicely considering that he is stepping up in competition and beating virtually everyone by KO.

ldlamb wrote:Lewis UD Mavrovic
Holyfield UD Bean
Tyson UD Tillis
Holmes UD Lucien Rodriguez
Ali UD Mathis


All these guys must suck too, since they werent able to quickly dispose of average fighters.

That's a really good post

sendo wrote:Stiverne is world class?

In this day in age.

KBB wrote:What's not impressive about a 5th round KO??

It was a 9th round KO, against a chinny journeyman in poor physical condition who has twice been KOed in round one.

Bosh Dorigo wrote:

ldlamb wrote:Lewis UD Mavrovic
Holyfield UD Bean
Tyson UD Tillis
Holmes UD Lucien Rodriguez
Ali UD Mathis


All these guys must suck too, since they werent able to quickly dispose of average fighters.

That's a really good post

Only if you are mental enough to believe that all those listed in the right-hand column of that post wouldn't have wiped the fornicating floor with Molina.

Molina went out in one round to Cris Arreola, FFS. He is not an "average fighter", he's target practice.

KBB wrote:What's not impressive about a 5th round KO?? When GGG didn't look at all that impressive in his last bout not one person criticized him in the manner that Wilder is being picked apart here, I'd say that based on both Molina and Monroe's record aren't exactly filled with A listers.


Sure Wilder showed some vulnerability but isn't that what guy who is learning on the job supposed to show??

1. It wasn't a 5th round KO, it was a 9th round KO against a journeyman who has been stopped in the first round...TWICE.

2. GGG did get criticized, though the difference between the two fights is night and day.

3. Wilder is almost 30 years old, an accomplished Olympic level amateur (people always go on about his late start, but if you really dissect his amateur career it is impressive!), and has 34 pro fights. He is supposed to be a top guy, and is a heavyweight titlist. He should not be showing vulnerability against a guy like Eric Molina.

The 'Wilder is still a baby in boxing terms/he's learning/etc.' lines are overplayed and I wonder when people will stop using them.

Experience is qualitative as well as quantitative (though he actually had more amateur bouts than Jennings and Fury), and Wilder gained experience against world class amateurs like few get to. It's now going on 7 years since he turned professional following his international-level amateur career, he's had 34 pro fights, and he's about to turn 30, so he's not a tyro anymore. While I don't deny that he can make some improvements it's not a given that he will-especially considering the flaws still apparent against mediocre Molina-and I find it wanting when people resort to 'oh ya he's learning on the job though.'

punchoutsb wrote:1. It wasn't a 5th round KO, it was a 9th round KO against a journeyman who has been stopped in the first round...TWICE.

2. GGG did get criticized, though the difference between the two fights is night and day.

3. Wilder is almost 30 years old, an accomplished Olympic level amateur (people always go on about his late start, but if you really dissect his amateur career it is impressive!), and has 34 pro fights. He is supposed to be a top guy, and is a heavyweight titlist. He should not be showing vulnerability against a guy like Eric Molina.

My bad, I was thinking 9th and somehow end up writing 5th, nevertheless neither man (Molina or Monroe) had all that much going for them but the main difference lies between GGG and Wilder.

That difference is that GGG has been doing this most of his life and Wilder hasn't and is a work in progress that is entitled to show flaws and make numerous mistakes.