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NateJR wrote:

The Great John L wrote:

NateJR wrote:Broner is way more skilled than Porter and really shouldn't have lost. The problem with Broner is he doesn't know when to turn it on and off and doesn't make adjustments. On the other hand, Madaina beat the living poo outta Broner, where as Porter just out worked and out pressured Broner with out ever having him in serious trouble. Madiana did a much better number on him than Porter did to the point I don't think Broner would ever have a chance against Madaina, but I wouldn't doubt Broner could beat Porter in a rematch.

Broner may have better physical skills, but he is not more skilled than Porter. Porter had a game plan and executed it quite well, while Broner once again tried to rely on not much more than his physical gifts without putting the work into honing his boxing skills enough to give him a chance to beat his opponent.

He's way more skilled, but not as tactical. But I guess in a sense being a tactician is a overlooked skill and Broner just doesn't have that. But Broner learns to control the center of the ring with his jab he beats Porter. Broner was too predictable with his left hook counters, he allowed Porter to get inside on him because he wasn't throwing a jab, it's really that simple. To be honest Porter has a terrible jab and Broner had all the advantages in the middle of the ring and didn't use it.

All of those things you're talking about is skill. Porter's jab is better than Broner's . . much more hard and effective. I was impressed how Porter would time his jab and completely knock Broner back with it. Excellent gameplan. Porter outsmarted Broner and outboxed him.

Shawn Porter had been consistently underrated for a while, as well as his victim Devon Alexander, as well as his conqueror Kell Brook. I hope people begin realizing that Shawn Porter is actually a very good welterweight contender, and there is no shame in losing to him (no shame for Devon Alexander, I mean), and it's a big deal to beat him.

Adrien Broner, on the other hand, I fear that people are going to begin underrating him after this defeat. Although, with losses to Maidana and Porter, and just a win over Malignaggi; Broner is starting to look like a borderline gatekeeper at welterweight. The next opponent I want to see Broner fight is someone like Brandon Rios, Devon Alexander, Robert Guerrero, Andre Berto, or Chris Algieri. I figure that will give a lot of clarification as to whether Broner belongs closer to #10 or closer to #20.

Bobbyptsd wrote:If all 161 pounds of Shawn Porter is coming straight at me with that stiff arm of a jab, I might not think it looks pretty, but I'm inclined to think I'd feel a quite effective skill.

What I'm trying to say, is that I think too often more fluid looking boxers get credit for being more skilled, even when they are less effective. I didn't see more skill from Broner the other night, I saw a guy not throwing nearly enough punches. That's not a particularly great "skill" to have in boxing.

[/quote]He's way more skilled, but not as tactical. But I guess in a sense being a tactician is a overlooked skill and Broner just doesn't have that. But Broner learns to control the center of the ring with his jab he beats Porter. Broner was too predictable with his left hook counters, he allowed Porter to get inside on him because he wasn't throwing a jab, it's really that simple. To be honest Porter has a terrible jab and Broner had all the advantages in the middle of the ring and didn't use it.[/quote]

All of those things you're talking about is skill. Porter's jab is better than Broner's . . much more hard and effective. I was impressed how Porter would time his jab and completely knock Broner back with it. Excellent gameplan. Porter outsmarted Broner and outboxed him.[/quote]

Anyone who thinks that Porter has more skills than Broner needs to take a Boxing class. Porter is just a thug in there and his fights resemble and ugly street corner mugging. That's not a racial profile, that's just a synapsis of Porter's boxing style. I was rooting for him in this fight and was very happy that he shut Broner up but Broner has twice the skill in the ring than Porter. Broner is surrounded by Yes Men and lacks the intelligence in the corner and in training camp to become elite. He's got all the skills and that was clearly evident when he decided to push the action in the 12th handing Porter his first knockdown in his career. He fought right into Porters hands the whole fight. Broner probably didn't watch the Brook tape because the blueprint on beating Porter is right there and all he had to do was push "play". If Broner was smart, he would get hooked up with a real trainer like Garcia, Roach, Hunter or Jackson and really see how good he can be. If he pushed the action like he did in the 12th instead of letting Porter dictate each second of every round, he would have gotten Porter out of there in my opinion. But that's the sad case with these young boxers with big sums of money early in their career. The inmates run the asylum and think that they have all the answers. One day he'll learn and I think we'll be saying that Broner is one of the best P4P boxers out there. That's if he finally learns. We'll never say that about Porter...NEVER.

I don't like Broner but man, I cannot stand watching porter fight. It got to the point where I was actually rooting for Broner.

Porter isn't that skilled, he's crude and rugged. His boxing skills are limited and honestly of all the top 147 lb. guys out there I think he's the most limited of all them. The thing that makes Porter good is that he is well conditioned (even though he showed a considerable amount of fading late in the fight against Broner, but Broner wasn't smart enough to capitalize), he follows a game plan and he's tough as nails. Porter doesn't have half the skills of guys likes Julio Cesar Chavez, Aaron Pryor or Joe Frazier when it comes to getting inside and landing effective punches. Porter never really hurt Broner that bad, yeah he hit him but he smothers his own attacks and closes distance in a straight line. I can guarantee if Broner went in that fight with a good game plan he could have easily beat Porter. Lets start with a jab, Broner has a better jab, didn't use, has more hand speed and didn't use it, has better foot speed and didn't use it till the last couple rounds. A guy like Porter should be the type of guy Broner feasts on if he wasn't such a spoiled punk that thought he knew everything. I can't stand Broner, I honestly hate him and love that Porter beat him and loved every second of that beating Madaina put on him, but he has way more potential than he shows and if he ever reaches a peak a guy like Porter will never beat him again.

danamba7 wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:Broners only hope is to get down to 140 can not compete well at 147.

Would love him to drop down to 140, fight Crawford and get absolutely schooled.

Yea Broner ain't that good, but will still fare better at 140 than 147 and yes I too think Crawford would school him at 140.

Well Broner got well beaten in the end no doubt about that.
Can't help but think this might be the beginning of the end for Broner in terms of being thought of as a serious opponent.
Broner just doesn't take it seriously enough for me considering how capable he can be, it could be all down hill for him against the elite should he get another opportunity from this point on.

Evander wrote:Well Broner got well beaten in the end no doubt about that.
Can't help but think this might be the beginning of the end for Broner in terms of being thought of as a serious opponent.
Broner just doesn't take it seriously enough for me considering how capable he can be, it could be all down hill for him against the elite should he get another opportunity from this point on.

I think Broners biggest problem is that he thinks he's a big enough superstar that he can coast to victories. He thinks his defense is so awesome that he doesn't need offense to win rounds. He appears to honestly believe that his shoulder roll is consistently winning him rounds because he's hot stuff.

It's one thing having skills but it's another having the composure to use them under fire

punchoutsb wrote:

Evander wrote:Well Broner got well beaten in the end no doubt about that.
Can't help but think this might be the beginning of the end for Broner in terms of being thought of as a serious opponent.
Broner just doesn't take it seriously enough for me considering how capable he can be, it could be all down hill for him against the elite should he get another opportunity from this point on.

I think Broners biggest problem is that he thinks he's a big enough superstar that he can coast to victories. He thinks his defense is so awesome that he doesn't need offense to win rounds. He appears to honestly believe that his shoulder roll is consistently winning him rounds because he's hot stuff.

Its true he does doesn't he.