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floyd, ward and wlad lost a lot of fights, if the rules would have been applied

ive told you time and time again i dont mind floyd, its the imbecile fans like yourself that have little to no boxing knowledge and blow smoke up his arse that annoys me, comments like floyd is a specialist clincher, floyds clinches are legal, he doesnt clinch much, he only uses his elbow to create room, if you guys actually admitted to some of his faults i might give you guys some respect but all you guys are is a bunch of lapdogs and you dont even know him, your a sad, sad bunch, the last post is a prime example, instead of putting up a credible comment you turn to abuse because you know 36 clinches in 5 rounds is excessive but cant bring yourself to say hey yeah, that really is over the top, you make yourself look stupid, and again i dont actually mind floyd, brilliant skills, silky movement, but his biggest problem is he walks himself on to the ropes way too much

Pureist wrote:ive told you time and time again i dont mind floyd, its the imbecile fans like yourself that have little to no boxing knowledge and blow smoke up his arse that annoys me, comments like floyd is a specialist clincher, floyds clinches are legal, he doesnt clinch much, he only uses his elbow to create room, if you guys actually admitted to some of his faults i might give you guys some respect but all you guys are is a bunch of lapdogs and you dont even know him, your a sad, sad bunch, the last post is a prime example, instead of putting up a credible comment you turn to abuse because you know 36 clinches in 5 rounds is excessive but cant bring yourself to say hey yeah, that really is over the top, you make yourself look stupid, and again i dont actually mind floyd, brilliant skills, silky movement, but his biggest problem is he walks himself on to the ropes way too much

So says the "Fake Trainer". A man who is so obsessed with Floyd that he's the only one who bothers to only do punch, clinch and fart counts for him and no other boxer but yet he claims that "I don't mind Floyd".

You mind him, far too much for any sane individual. You should seek help because you are a sick person, really.

KBB wrote: You should seek help because you are a sick person, really.

You're a parody of yourself, remembery ou used to tell everyone you were a teacher who had also served in the army?

Ricky_ wrote:

KBB wrote: You should seek help because you are a sick person, really.

You're a parody of yourself, remembery ou used to tell everyone you were a teacher who had also served in the army?

I laugh because apparently I know you don't know me but I know who I am. I served my country proudly and I serve my community proudly as well and nothing you say can change that, your attempt of an insult only further emboldens my pride in what I have accomplished.

Thanks for the lame attempt though.

KBB wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

KBB wrote: You should seek help because you are a sick person, really.

You're a parody of yourself, remembery ou used to tell everyone you were a teacher who had also served in the army?

I laugh because apparently I know you don't know me but I know who I am. I served my country proudly and I serve my community proudly as well and nothing you say can change that, your attempt of an insult only further emboldens my pride in what I have accomplished.

Thanks for the lame attempt though.

SEARGENT MAJOR FAKE TEACHER

KBB wrote:

Pureist wrote:ive told you time and time again i dont mind floyd, its the imbecile fans like yourself that have little to no boxing knowledge and blow smoke up his arse that annoys me, comments like floyd is a specialist clincher, floyds clinches are legal, he doesnt clinch much, he only uses his elbow to create room, if you guys actually admitted to some of his faults i might give you guys some respect but all you guys are is a bunch of lapdogs and you dont even know him, your a sad, sad bunch, the last post is a prime example, instead of putting up a credible comment you turn to abuse because you know 36 clinches in 5 rounds is excessive but cant bring yourself to say hey yeah, that really is over the top, you make yourself look stupid, and again i dont actually mind floyd, brilliant skills, silky movement, but his biggest problem is he walks himself on to the ropes way too much

So says the "Fake Trainer". A man who is so obsessed with Floyd that he's the only one who bothers to only do punch, clinch and fart counts for him and no other boxer but yet he claims that "I don't mind Floyd".

You mind him, far too much for any sane individual. You should seek help because you are a sick person, really.

See, here you go again with the abuse, always happens when you don't want to face up to a imperfection in floyd, there is way too much man love in boxing (clinching) these days and like it or not floyd is one of the culprits

Pureist wrote:See, here you go again with the abuse, always happens when you don't want to face up to a imperfection in floyd, there is way too much man love in boxing (clinching) these days and like it or not floyd is one of the culprits

You are quick to point out what you call "abuse" when you are the one who started with your garbage "lapdogs" insult.

The only one who is showing their manlove is you, you are in a practice known as "worship" the way you follow Mayweather around trying to prove a stupid point with your so called "stats".

You are a sick person, sick with Hate and don't even realize it.

Ricky_ wrote:SEARGENT MAJOR FAKE TEACHER

First off, it's spelled Sergeant, not seargent. Second you have exposed yourself for being Pureist because I never said a word to you and the fact that you are here defending him (Pureist, aka you) is obvious that you are sorely obsessed with your Floyd hate, so much so that you turn to insults like "lapdog" and blah blah this.

Moderators, would you please delete this thread, it is turned into nothing but insults every since Ricky aka Pureist decided to put up another one of his racist and insulting witchhunt threads trying to smear a black man for beating his hero.

Please LOCK THIS STUPID THREAD NOW!!

All you pudenda are fvcking mental

handsofstone wrote: All you pudenda are fvcking mental

Heh I know, these boys are just too funny eh?

You have officially lost the plot kbb, you're the only one insulting anyone and where is the racism you knucklehead

Got to say Tony Weeks was awful, Broner should have been penalized long before the 11th.

Yeah, yeah, yeah ... people always hate clinching when the fighter they hate is doing it.

Broner was ridiculous, but sometimes excessive clinching stop a Ricky Hatton-like wrestlefest.

Thank you Ricky. The whole purpose of point deduction is to discourage illegal moves. Although I was glad to see Ref Weeks deduct the point in rd 11, I felt the move, since it was inconsequential to the outcome, was without meaning. Illegal tactics are illegal for a reason. And if you allow a fighter to continuously foul or otherwise gain an unfair advantage over another, and only take the point at the end of the fight, well then you are accessory to the crime. Not only do refs need to take points early, but they need to CONTINUE to take points for additional fouls. With the way refs are today, if I were an unscrupulous trainer trying to make my fighter win by any means, I would tell him to hit his opponent in the back of the head early in the fight to get him nice and concussed towards the later rounds. The brain swells over time and early damage to your opponent is a good thing. Also, I would tell him to use his left elbow as a chin/head jerking tool throughout the fight ala Floyd Mayweather or Adrien Broner. What's the worst that can happen? You get a point deducted in 11th? Big deal. By then hopefully you've secured a big points lead and rocked your opponent's head so much that he doesn't even have the whereabouts to mount a comeback. Clean fighters are losing fights and getting seriously injured due to these weak refs. It has to stop. Otherwise you just encourage more bad behavior. Or maybe boxing's lack of intervention is intentional. Perhaps the powers that be are concerned about losing ground to the idiots of MMA.

Luckybattles wrote:funny but a few months ago I was watching a replay of a fight between Bernard Hopkins and john david Jackson. it was on showtime back around 94. In the fight, david Jackson was holding and clinching excessively, but not anymore than we see today. In any case, the announcers (Ferdie Pacheco, and Bobby Chez) were going crazy and they were completely trashing Jackson, calling him a disgrace etc. Unfortunately, somewhere along the road this became normal and is now being tolerated as a form of defense used primarily by African Americans. In most cases, the better the opposition, the more they resort to it, primarily out of fear of being Knocked out. Its really a turn off and Ironcially, I think it was Hopkins who really promoted this crap and weak refs and weak commissions who perpetuated it and made it normal. It was once used primarily as a survival tool but Ward, mayweather, Broner, Hopkins and others have come to use it as a preventive measure to make sure they never have to fight on the inside and can continue to pot shot and hold all the way to a snoozing decision win. I once spoke to a really well know ref about this and it sounds like it all up to the refs subjective opinion of what he wants to allow or not. That right there is the problem. In essence, it has become perfectly legal and a legit defensive style.

Well said!!!!

What ever happened to refs slapping arms away that were trying to hold, very rare to see that anymore aswell

Boxing definitely needs to enforce the rules more stringently but there is a fine line between clinching and bull rushing. Porter's style is not boxing. He rushes in head first and initiates an ugly contest in there. If someone rushes in like that then what is an opposing boxer to do? Just let him dictate that action and get pushed around the ring? I'm not saying Broner shouldn't have been warned or penalized, he should, but the rule is relative and boxing styles need to be considered when excessive clinching persists in bouts. I felt penalizing Broner 1 point was just fine in the bout and the ref did a fine job considering what he had to work with.

caldo2025 wrote:Boxing definitely needs to enforce the rules more stringently but there is a fine line between clinching and bull rushing. Porter's style is not boxing. He rushes in head first and initiates an ugly contest in there. If someone rushes in like that then what is an opposing boxer to do? Just let him dictate that action and get pushed around the ring? I'm not saying Broner shouldn't have been warned or penalized, he should, but the rule is relative and boxing styles need to be considered when excessive clinching persists in bouts. I felt penalizing Broner 1 point was just fine in the bout and the ref did a fine job considering what he had to work with.

Timing and lateral movement, if your flatfooted you will get caught every time, good boxers should nullify 1 dimensional boxers easily at that level

Counter-puncher wrote:

handsofstone wrote: All you pudenda are fvcking mental

Heh I know, these boys are just too funny eh?

I think they secretly want to finger one another.

Pureist wrote:What ever happened to refs slapping arms away that were trying to hold, very rare to see that anymore aswell

this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!b

Chepppaaa wrote:

Pureist wrote:What ever happened to refs slapping arms away that were trying to hold, very rare to see that anymore aswell

this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!b

there's only one ref I really remember doing this, and that's Zack Padilla.

caldo2025 wrote:Boxing definitely needs to enforce the rules more stringently but there is a fine line between clinching and bull rushing. Porter's style is not boxing. He rushes in head first and initiates an ugly contest in there. If someone rushes in like that then what is an opposing boxer to do? Just let him dictate that action and get pushed around the ring? I'm not saying Broner shouldn't have been warned or penalized, he should, but the rule is relative and boxing styles need to be considered when excessive clinching persists in bouts. I felt penalizing Broner 1 point was just fine in the bout and the ref did a fine job considering what he had to work with.

Porter is swinging while bull rushing though i don't see much illegal with his style.... just alot of holes. A good counter puncher like Marquez would put a serious hurting straight down his pipe. Broner only managed to capitalise once in r12.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Yeah, yeah, yeah ... people always hate clinching when the fighter they hate is doing it.

Broner was ridiculous, but sometimes excessive clinching stop a Ricky Hatton-like wrestlefest.

I can't believe people even call that crap Hatton was doing "boxing". I wonder why this thread wasn't started in regards to Wlad?

Outside of John Ruiz there is no other fighter in boxing that initiates more clinches with less offense than Klitschko, but we know some people have ulterior motives.

Fighters like Ruiz and Hatton were, and Wlad is is extreme holding and should be dealt with accordingly....

The clinching that fighters like Floyd, Broner, and Khan utilize, on average is borderline to excessive against certain fighters. The more effective aggression their opponents show, the more they tend to hold, which can get excessive.