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i knew that the premise of this thread was once again batshit crazy, but i went back
in the search utility to when the pac-algieri fight was announced. almost every post
knocked pac for fighting algieri. it was hard to find anyone who even halfway defended it.



thread title: Shame on HBO PPV ... Shame on Boxing
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=183854

thread title: What should Algieri's nickname be after he beats Pacquiao?
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=183654

thread title: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=186625

i did not pick those threads. in the search utility those are the threads when the fight was announced
and leading up to it. read the posts in the threads. brut, are you one of those shopping cart people
who wanders around arguing with buildings and such? nobody had anything complimentary about
algieri as a pac opponent, and even then at the time i would say algieri was more legit a cherry pick
than berto or mayfield, who i don't believe are being considered as real floyd opponents. floyd talks
a lot, and you can't take everything he says seriously.

sucracristo wrote:i knew that the premise of this thread was once again batshit crazy, but i went back
in the search utility to when the pac-algieri fight was announced. almost every post
knocked pac for fighting algieri. it was hard to find anyone who even halfway defended it.



thread title: Shame on HBO PPV ... Shame on Boxing
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=183854

thread title: What should Algieri's nickname be after he beats Pacquiao?
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=183654

thread title: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=186625

i did not pick those threads. in the search utility those are the threads when the fight was announced
and leading up to it. read the posts in the threads. brut, are you one of those shopping cart people
who wanders around arguing with buildings and such? nobody had anything complimentary about
algieri as a pac opponent, and even then at the time i would say algieri was more legit a cherry pick
than berto or mayfield, who i don't believe are being considered as real floyd opponents. floyd talks
a lot, and you can't take everything he says seriously.

Algieri shouldn't have been sharing a ring with Pac, but he beat Provodnikov and beat Ruslan to the shot.

I also had Algieri beating Khan last time out, which imo makes him a top 8-12 welterweight around just now.

Berto is a washed up bum who got his ass handed to him by Guerrero, he's not even top 30.

The thing about Ruslan is that if you have a solid chin and are a decent boxer, you can beat him. If you are stupid enough to stand and trade with him you are in for a long night.

Badhusker wrote:The thing about Ruslan is that if you have a solid chin and are a decent boxer, you can beat him. If you are stupid enough to stand and trade with him you are in for a long night.

Or a short one.

sucracristo wrote:i knew that the premise of this thread was once again batshit crazy, but i went back
in the search utility to when the pac-algieri fight was announced. almost every post
knocked pac for fighting algieri. it was hard to find anyone who even halfway defended it.



thread title: Shame on HBO PPV ... Shame on Boxing
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=183854

thread title: What should Algieri's nickname be after he beats Pacquiao?
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=183654

thread title: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=186625

i did not pick those threads. in the search utility those are the threads when the fight was announced
and leading up to it. read the posts in the threads. brut, are you one of those shopping cart people
who wanders around arguing with buildings and such? nobody had anything complimentary about
algieri as a pac opponent, and even then at the time i would say algieri was more legit a cherry pick
than berto or mayfield, who i don't believe are being considered as real floyd opponents. floyd talks
a lot, and you can't take everything he says seriously.

See what you guys fail to realize is that Manny took that fight when his career isn't even close to being over, Floyd has one more fight and he's done if we take him for his word. So why is it that any fighter not named Mayweather can get a pass for fighting a nobody bum when they are just simply taking a tune-up but yet Mayweather who is leaving boxing forever after facing damn near everyone can't seem to get you guys to even halfway consider him taking on a lesser opponent??

How fair are you guys or are you the one who is pushing around a shopping cart wandering into building and then arguing with them as to why they are in your way??

KBB wrote:

sucracristo wrote:i knew that the premise of this thread was once again batshit crazy, but i went back
in the search utility to when the pac-algieri fight was announced. almost every post
knocked pac for fighting algieri. it was hard to find anyone who even halfway defended it.



thread title: Shame on HBO PPV ... Shame on Boxing
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=183854

thread title: What should Algieri's nickname be after he beats Pacquiao?
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=183654

thread title: Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=186625

i did not pick those threads. in the search utility those are the threads when the fight was announced
and leading up to it. read the posts in the threads. brut, are you one of those shopping cart people
who wanders around arguing with buildings and such? nobody had anything complimentary about
algieri as a pac opponent, and even then at the time i would say algieri was more legit a cherry pick
than berto or mayfield, who i don't believe are being considered as real floyd opponents. floyd talks
a lot, and you can't take everything he says seriously.

See what you guys fail to realize is that Manny took that fight when his career isn't even close to being over, Floyd has one more fight and he's done if we take him for his word. So why is it that any fighter not named Mayweather can get a pass for fighting a nobody bum when they are just simply taking a tune-up but yet Mayweather who is leaving boxing forever after facing damn near everyone can't seem to get you guys to even halfway consider him taking on a lesser opponent??

How fair are you guys or are you the one who is pushing around a shopping cart wandering into building and then arguing with them as to why they are in your way??

You literally just quoted him linking to multiple threads complaining about Pac/Algieri and then go on to say he's giving Pac "a pass".

That's some strong reading comprehension!

punchoutsb wrote:You literally just quoted him linking to multiple threads complaining about Pac/Algieri and then go on to say he's giving Pac "a pass".

That's some strong reading comprehension!

Let's talk about comprehension or a lack thereof on your part, apparently you are unable to comprehend that I'm pointing out the differences in the points in time when both are/have fought lesser competition.

I'll try to keep it simple for you because it is abundantly clear to everyone else that you don't understand what I wrote so here I will spell it out for you.

Floyd is at the end of his career, says he has 1 fight and he is done with boxing, he should be allowed to fight whoever he wants given that fact alone and not just that I know of many fighters who come back from either a KO/TKO, long layoff or some type of surgery or other contract disputes that are allowed to fight even lesser fighters than Mayweather is considering but not one person will say anything bad about their choice/they will be allowed a pass due to the circumstances.

Manny was at a certain juncture when he chose a man who isn't even a legit WW at that time in Algieri after his devastating KO at the hands of JMM, so he did get a pass in essence for the bout though he had already had a tune up prior when facing another fighter who wasn't/isn't even a WW in Rios (so he got 2 passes in essence because neither were even WWs).

Now consider that MP says he plans to continue fighting and FMJr says this is his last fight ever, Money has fought damn near everyone who is anyone in this sport and has competed at the highest level since earning a victory over Corrales with an exception or 2, so he doesn't deserve a pass according to you even though top level fighters (I could name a few) have gotten passes even though they are still in their careers or faced tune-ups against lesser comp but according to you because it's Floyd he doesn't warrant that same consideration??

Maybe you still won't comprehend this because you Hate Floyd, I get that part but even if you hate someone you should still be able to see the logic in why you should at least halfway try to look at this fairly without your hate lenses on.

KBB wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:You literally just quoted him linking to multiple threads complaining about Pac/Algieri and then go on to say he's giving Pac "a pass".

That's some strong reading comprehension!

Let's talk about comprehension or a lack thereof on your part, apparently you are unable to comprehend that I'm pointing out the differences in the points in time when both are/have fought lesser competition.

I'll try to keep it simple for you because it is abundantly clear to everyone else that you don't understand what I wrote so here I will spell it out for you.

Floyd is at the end of his career, says he has 1 fight and he is done with boxing, he should be allowed to fight whoever he wants given that fact alone and not just that I know of many fighters who come back from either a KO/TKO, long layoff or some type of surgery or other contract disputes that are allowed to fight even lesser fighters than Mayweather is considering but not one person will say anything bad about their choice/they will be allowed a pass due to the circumstances.

Manny was at a certain juncture when he chose a man who isn't even a legit WW at that time in Algieri after his devastating KO at the hands of JMM, so he did get a pass in essence for the bout though he had already had a tune up prior when facing another fighter who wasn't/isn't even a WW in Rios (so he got 2 passes in essence because neither were even WWs).

Now consider that MP says he plans to continue fighting and FMJr says this is his last fight ever, Money has fought damn near everyone who is anyone in this sport and has competed at the highest level since earning a victory over Corrales with an exception or 2, so he doesn't deserve a pass according to you even though top level fighters (I could name a few) have gotten passes even though they are still in their careers or faced tune-ups against lesser comp but according to you because it's Floyd he doesn't warrant that same consideration??

Maybe you still won't comprehend this because you Hate Floyd, I get that part but even if you hate someone you should still be able to see the logic in why you should at least halfway try to look at this fairly without your hate lenses on.

Who gave Manny this mythical pass? I mean seriously brut, it's getting hard to take you seriously at. I don't hate Mayweather, I've already said in other threads he can fight whoever he wants. But even after this short novel you've written, you still miss the point that you quoted a guy linking to threads saying Manny fighting Algieri sucked. How is that giving a pass?

wow, boxing seriously is dead

punchoutsb wrote:you quoted a guy linking to threads saying Manny fighting Algieri sucked. How is that giving a pass?

this is also why i asked if he was one of those people pushing a shopping cart around the city
arguing with inanimate objects. it seems he has this conversation going on in his head that
has no basis in what anyone else is saying or doing. nobody liked pac fighting algieri.
at first, i was even confused if it was the beginning of a pac campaign back down at 140
aimed at garcia and the rest if GB was going to work with TR. fight made no sense to
me as to why it was happening except that maybe adelson thought the asian market
would buy him as an opponent in macao. as far as this being floyd jr's last fight, i'll
believe it when he hasn't fought for a couple years

I really do not care who FMJ fights for the remainder of his career, but (while he has nothing to prove) fighting Berto or Mayfield next would be pathetic, especially in the (extremely unlikely) event that it is his last fight.

punchoutsb wrote:Who gave Manny this mythical pass? I mean seriously brut, it's getting hard to take you seriously at. I don't hate Mayweather, I've already said in other threads he can fight whoever he wants. But even after this short novel you've written, you still miss the point that you quoted a guy linking to threads saying Manny fighting Algieri sucked. How is that giving a pass?

Wow, small-minded, I can really tell. You went through my entire book and all you found was Manny, nevermind that I only used him as a comparison but I pointed out that there are several top level and elite fighters that are nowhere near retirement that have faced total tomato cans and yet I'll read people here saying stuff like "he deserves a tune-up or he deserves an easy one after all the tough fights he's had" but again, I know you will only revert back to Manny as part of your defense for him while ignoring the fact that I mentioned that there are several top level/elite fighters that have fought soft touches.

If it makes you feel better I don't particularly agree with him fighting someone the caliber of Mayfield but I have no problem with him facing Berto although I'd like to see him face someone better.

Personally I'd rather see him move up and fight either GGG or Cotto so that he can retire with an easy 160lb title.

KBB wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Who gave Manny this mythical pass? I mean seriously brut, it's getting hard to take you seriously at. I don't hate Mayweather, I've already said in other threads he can fight whoever he wants. But even after this short novel you've written, you still miss the point that you quoted a guy linking to threads saying Manny fighting Algieri sucked. How is that giving a pass?

Wow, small-minded, I can really tell. You went through my entire book and all you found was Manny, nevermind that I only used him as a comparison but I pointed out that there are several top level and elite fighters that are nowhere near retirement that have faced total tomato cans and yet I'll read people here saying stuff like "he deserves a tune-up or he deserves an easy one after all the tough fights he's had" but again, I know you will only revert back to Manny as part of your defense for him while ignoring the fact that I mentioned that there are several top level/elite fighters that have fought soft touches.

If it makes you feel better I don't particularly agree with him fighting someone the caliber of Mayfield but I have no problem with him facing Berto although I'd like to see him face someone better.

Personally I'd rather see him move up and fight either GGG or Cotto so that he can retire with an easy 160lb title.

Which fighters did you name, Brut? I saw one fighter named; Manny. You constantly whine and complain that Manny got a "pass" for fighting Algieri. Don't you even pretend you haven't, it's literally in almost every post you've made in this thread. But nobody gave him a pass, nobody except the imaginary people you argue with in your mind.

If it makes you feel better, I agree with him fighting Mayfield, Berto, or anyone else he chooses. He has wiped out every challenge out there around his size. No point trying to move up at his age.

What the hell is Floyd waiting for? I mean really. Here we are in July and he still hasn't named an opponent. Just another way Floyd tries to scrounge every last advantage out in every fight and one of the major reason that I refuse to consider him the best ever. I bet he already knows who his opponent is and that opponent has NO idea he's the opponent and Floyd is hoping that the guy is sitting back on his couch eating ice cream right now. See, thats what Floyd is. He plays dirty pool even though he probably doesn't need to. Sick of his act. Go away and retire already.

Whos that mayfield ?ive never seen him fight berto for me is acceptable

caldo2025 wrote:What the hell is Floyd waiting for? I mean really. Here we are in July and he still hasn't named an opponent. Just another way Floyd tries to scrounge every last advantage out in every fight and one of the major reason that I refuse to consider him the best ever. I bet he already knows who his opponent is and that opponent has NO idea he's the opponent and Floyd is hoping that the guy is sitting back on his couch eating ice cream right now. See, thats what Floyd is. He plays dirty pool even though he probably doesn't need to. Sick of his act. Go away and retire already.

Then you must have really refused to call SRL the best ever because he did scrounge every last advantage out of every fight, so did Oscar; it isn't uncommon for fighters in the top seat to do this, you know??

It's apparent that he has to drag this out to the very end just to keep the hype on himself in the limelight so that people will intrigued and want to see who he is fighting. All in all I think he will chose a decent opponent and even if he doesn't then I can't think of any fighter in the game more deserving of a break from fighting top fighters back to back then Mayweather.

People give GGG all the credit in the world for beating Tomato Cans but they criticize Floyd for fighting the best in his class. That's not a knock on Golovkin because I know his situation (certain punks won't face him) but everyone wants to fight Floyd because of the big payday involved so he has a right to choose and choose he will soon.

Which other fighters did you mention, brut?

KBB wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:What the hell is Floyd waiting for? I mean really. Here we are in July and he still hasn't named an opponent. Just another way Floyd tries to scrounge every last advantage out in every fight and one of the major reason that I refuse to consider him the best ever. I bet he already knows who his opponent is and that opponent has NO idea he's the opponent and Floyd is hoping that the guy is sitting back on his couch eating ice cream right now. See, thats what Floyd is. He plays dirty pool even though he probably doesn't need to. Sick of his act. Go away and retire already.

Then you must have really refused to call SRL the best ever because he did scrounge every last advantage out of every fight, so did Oscar; it isn't uncommon for fighters in the top seat to do this, you know??

It's apparent that he has to drag this out to the very end just to keep the hype on himself in the limelight so that people will intrigued and want to see who he is fighting. All in all I think he will chose a decent opponent and even if he doesn't then I can't think of any fighter in the game more deserving of a break from fighting top fighters back to back then Mayweather.

People give GGG all the credit in the world for beating Tomato Cans but they criticize Floyd for fighting the best in his class. That's not a knock on Golovkin because I know his situation (certain punks won't face him) but everyone wants to fight Floyd because of the big payday involved so he has a right to choose and choose he will soon.

Come on KBB, you have to admit that NO champion in the history of Boxing has had the advantages that Floyd's had the last 5-6 years. No one has been above boxing like this and in control of every single thing that goes on in and outside the ring. Hey, maybe he deserves that kind of control after the career he's had but it's still a matter of note to consider and a factor in his fights.

GGG doesn't get even close to the credit he deserves, are you serious? Here's a fighter begging for a test and a fight for the fans. He should be commended, not criticized but that's what people are doing to the kid. He's fighting 3 or 4 times a year and knocking everyone out. He gets no credit for dismantling Martin Murray but Murray is a damn good Middleweight and I personally had him beating Sergio for the lineal title as that was definitely a knockdown in the 12th. Cotto is a hero for beating Geale but GGG got no credit there.

You are comparing two fighters that couldn't be more opposite. One wants to fight the best out there and the other just wants to get his contract fulfilled using every advantage at his disposal. Completely different.

caldo2025 wrote:Come on KBB, you have to admit that NO champion in the history of Boxing has had the advantages that Floyd's had the last 5-6 years. No one has been above boxing like this and in control of every single thing that goes on in and outside the ring. Hey, maybe he deserves that kind of control after the career he's had but it's still a matter of note to consider and a factor in his fights.

GGG doesn't get even close to the credit he deserves, are you serious? Here's a fighter begging for a test and a fight for the fans. He should be commended, not criticized but that's what people are doing to the kid. He's fighting 3 or 4 times a year and knocking everyone out. He gets no credit for dismantling Martin Murray but Murray is a damn good Middleweight and I personally had him beating Sergio for the lineal title as that was definitely a knockdown in the 12th. Cotto is a hero for beating Geale but GGG got no credit there.

You are comparing two fighters that couldn't be more opposite. One wants to fight the best out there and the other just wants to get his contract fulfilled using every advantage at his disposal. Completely different.

LOL, you say that I'm the one comparing them when you brought Mayweather into this. GGG got the credit he deserves, and he still does, he is far more hyped than any fighter in the sport right now beating a bunch of average joes. That isn't a knock on him, that's being honest and putting it bluntly.

No fighter is getting more hype than GGG right now, if they are then show me one. Floyd is many levels above GGG and does deserve the right to fight whoever he wants, for years everyone wanted him and Manny to fight but Pacquiao chose to duck out of the fight back in 2010 claiming having blood drawn weakens him but still y'all blame Floyd, he gave y'all the fight you wanted and he won it easily and still no credit.

GGG beats Monroe and people act as if he slayed Klitschko, just listen to how Lampley blows the boy's bone when he's commentating GGG's fights.

Even though Cotto beat Geale, I see no reason to make a big deal out of it when GGG did it before Miguel did but again GGG is a natural LHW that fights at MW whereas Miguel Cotto is a natural Jr MW who fights at MW and he beat the man who came into the ring weighing in excess of 180lbs.

Both of them deserve credit for beating Geale only GGG gets the nod for doing it first but Cotto should get a bid too for being the far smaller man knocking him out in just as devastating a fashion as Golovkin did.

KBB wrote:GGG is a natural LHW that fights at MW whereas Miguel Cotto is a natural Jr MW who fights at MW

That quote proves that with fergusg gone, KBB is by far the best in facts distortion

KBB wrote:GGG is a natural LHW

ikorolev wrote:

KBB wrote:GGG is a natural LHW that fights at MW whereas Miguel Cotto is a natural Jr MW who fights at MW

That quote proves that with fergusg gone, KBB is by far the best in facts distortion

GGG's natural weight is 170, that is LHW territory. You just can't stand the truth, his fighting weight is 160 but he walks around above 170 or at it.

A natural LHW that is a small MW who said he can make 154 with not much problem, big difference there

Pureist wrote:A natural LHW that is a small MW who said he can make 154 with not much problem, big difference there

Not really and so what?? Hopkins is a natural LHW who said he can make 160, is anyone making a big deal of that??

You have no point to prove here at all.

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

KBB wrote:GGG is a natural LHW that fights at MW whereas Miguel Cotto is a natural Jr MW who fights at MW

That quote proves that with fergusg gone, KBB is by far the best in facts distortion

GGG's natural weight is 170, that is LHW territory. You just can't stand the truth, his fighting weight is 160 but he walks around above 170 or at it.

Define "natural weight". Is it one assigned by Brut ? If not, is it a weight a boxer walks at or rehydrates to ? Then how is Cotto natural Jr MW ???