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Chepppaaa wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:1.Sugar Ray Leonard
2.Roberto Duran
3.Azumah Nelson
4.Floyd Mayweather
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Marvin Hagler
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Mike Tyson
9.Tommy Hearns
10.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Ricardo Lopez
15.Roy Jones jr
16.Juan Manuel Marquez
17.James Toney
18.Mike Mc Callum
19.Shane Mosley
20.Oscar De La Hoya

chavez couldnt handle taylor and pernell and lost to both of them, but he is ranked higher than somebody more athletic and faster than both of them (roy)

and lewis beat holyfield & tyson but his behind them hahahahaha

what are you smoking?

Lewis is one of my all-time favourite fighters, but I think there's a pretty strong argument for having Holyfield above him. Holyfield fought more top heavyweights who were in or near their prime and he also fought a more dangerous Tyson six years before Lewis did and beat him comprehensively. Lewis was clearly robbed in the first Holyfield fight, where Evander looked well below his best, but the rematch was a highly competitive fight that some (though not I) scored for Holyfield, despite the fight taking place while Lewis was in his prime and Holyfield was clearly past his. I think Lewis has a stronger resume than Tyson and should be ranked higher, but can understand those who rate Tyson higher because they think he was a better fighter in his prime and would have won in a prime vs prime matchup. For someone who prizes athleticism in boxers so highly and was so impressed by RJJ in his prime, it's surprising you don't think more of Tyson - he had outstanding natural ability.

jezzamundo wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:1.Sugar Ray Leonard
2.Roberto Duran
3.Azumah Nelson
4.Floyd Mayweather
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Marvin Hagler
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Mike Tyson
9.Tommy Hearns
10.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Ricardo Lopez
15.Roy Jones jr
16.Juan Manuel Marquez
17.James Toney
18.Mike Mc Callum
19.Shane Mosley
20.Oscar De La Hoya

chavez couldnt handle taylor and pernell and lost to both of them, but he is ranked higher than somebody more athletic and faster than both of them (roy)

and lewis beat holyfield & tyson but his behind them hahahahaha

what are you smoking?

Lewis is one of my all-time favourite fighters, but I think there's a pretty strong argument for having Holyfield above him. Holyfield fought more top heavyweights who were in or near their prime and he also fought a more dangerous Tyson six years before Lewis did and beat him comprehensively. Lewis was clearly robbed in the first Holyfield fight, where Evander looked well below his best, but the rematch was a highly competitive fight that some (though not I) scored for Holyfield, despite the fight taking place while Lewis was in his prime and Holyfield was clearly past his. I think Lewis has a stronger resume than Tyson and should be ranked higher, but can understand those who rate Tyson higher because they think he was a better fighter in his prime and would have won in a prime vs prime matchup. For someone who prizes athleticism in boxers so highly and was so impressed by RJJ in his prime, it's surprising you don't think more of Tyson - he had outstanding natural ability.

RJJ AND PED'S REALLY HURT HIS LEGACY

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

NateJR wrote:1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roberto Duran
3. Ray Leonard
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Larry Holmes
7. Marvin Hagler
9. Pernell Whitaker
10. Bernard Hopkins
11. Julio Cesar Chavez
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Roy Jones Jr.
14. Thomas Hearns
15. Juan Manuel Marquez
16. Kostya Tszyu
17. James Toney
18. Vitali Klitchko
19. Andre Ward
20. Erik Morales
21. Aaron Pryor
22. Felix Trinidad
23. Marco Antonio Barrera
24. Shane Mosley
25. Mike Tyson
26. Joe Calzaghe
27. Wladimir Klitchko
28. Winky Wright
29. Oscar Delahoya
30. Alexis Arguello

NateJR you must have forgot about AZUMAH NELSON because any list without him on it is incomplete

I admittedly forgot about Azumah Nelson.. I think a fair spot for him would be somewhere between 15 and 20 IMO.. I also did my list relatively fast I'm sure if I really thought about it I could come up with more fighter that are more deserving than some I already have on the list.. good call though.

One name I don't think I've seen on anyone's list is Michael carbajal , a brilliant little fighter

Ezzard wrote:Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Manny Pacquaio
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Evander Holyfield
Pernell Whittaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Michael Spinks
Thomas Hearns

comon, you can't hate floyd that much.

man wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Manny Pacquaio
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Evander Holyfield
Pernell Whittaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Michael Spinks
Thomas Hearns

comon, you can't hate floyd that much.

It appears that these lists are either pro Floyd or pro Manny.
No objectivity

tiny_acres wrote:

man wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Manny Pacquaio
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Evander Holyfield
Pernell Whittaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Michael Spinks
Thomas Hearns

comon, you can't hate floyd that much.

It appears that these lists are either pro Floyd or pro Manny.
No objectivity

but still. a seasoned member of the board
can't have floyd behind JCC in a p4p lis ...

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:1.Sugar Ray Leonard
2.Roberto Duran
3.Azumah Nelson
4.Floyd Mayweather
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Marvin Hagler
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Mike Tyson
9.Tommy Hearns
10.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Ricardo Lopez
15.Roy Jones jr
16.Juan Manuel Marquez
17.James Toney
18.Mike Mc Callum
19.Shane Mosley
20.Oscar De La Hoya

I'v had a rethink, I could maybe swap Mayweather and Nelson around and I should have placed Whitacker one spot above Chavez sr

jezzamundo wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:1.Sugar Ray Leonard
2.Roberto Duran
3.Azumah Nelson
4.Floyd Mayweather
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Marvin Hagler
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Mike Tyson
9.Tommy Hearns
10.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Ricardo Lopez
15.Roy Jones jr
16.Juan Manuel Marquez
17.James Toney
18.Mike Mc Callum
19.Shane Mosley
20.Oscar De La Hoya

That's a seriously high rating of Azumah Nelson, he just missed out of my top 20, although I could easily swap him for Arguello or Mosley and probably should have.

GREATEST AFRICAN CHAMPION EVER WHEN HE WAS IN HIS PRIME AT FEATHERWEIGHT IT WOULD TAKE A LEGEND LIKE SADDLER OR PEP TO MATCH HIM..................I JUST THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SHORT MEMORIES I DON'T.........YOU ONLY HAVE TO CHECK OUT SOME OF THE TOP 20 LIST ON THIS FORUM TO SEE THAT HE IS VERY MUCH UNDER-RATED AND THAT IS A GREAT INJUSTICE PLEASE GO RESEARCH THE GREAT AZUMAH

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
GREATEST AFRICAN CHAMPION EVER WHEN HE WAS IN HIS PRIME AT FEATHERWEIGHT IT WOULD TAKE A LEGEND LIKE SADDLER OR PEP TO MATCH HIM..................I JUST THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SHORT MEMORIES I DON'T.........YOU ONLY HAVE TO CHECK OUT SOME OF THE TOP 20 LIST ON THIS FORUM TO SEE THAT HE IS VERY MUCH UNDER-RATED AND THAT IS A GREAT INJUSTICE PLEASE GO RESEARCH THE GREAT AZUMAH

I'm proud to say I was the first to have him on my list (admittedly at no 23 of what should have been a 20 man list )

PS YOUR CAPS LOCK BUTTON IS STUCK ON

davie wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
GREATEST AFRICAN CHAMPION EVER WHEN HE WAS IN HIS PRIME AT FEATHERWEIGHT IT WOULD TAKE A LEGEND LIKE SADDLER OR PEP TO MATCH HIM..................I JUST THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SHORT MEMORIES I DON'T.........YOU ONLY HAVE TO CHECK OUT SOME OF THE TOP 20 LIST ON THIS FORUM TO SEE THAT HE IS VERY MUCH UNDER-RATED AND THAT IS A GREAT INJUSTICE PLEASE GO RESEARCH THE GREAT AZUMAH

I'm proud to say I was the first to have him on my list (admittedly at no 23 of what should have been a 20 man list )

PS YOUR CAPS LOCK BUTTON IS STUCK ON

PS Is that it :?? now try and say something remotely intelligent

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:1.Sugar Ray Leonard
2.Roberto Duran
3.Azumah Nelson
4.Floyd Mayweather
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Marvin Hagler
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Mike Tyson
9.Tommy Hearns
10.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Ricardo Lopez
15.Roy Jones jr
16.Juan Manuel Marquez
17.James Toney
18.Mike Mc Callum
19.Shane Mosley
20.Oscar De La Hoya

That's a seriously high rating of Azumah Nelson, he just missed out of my top 20, although I could easily swap him for Arguello or Mosley and probably should have.

GREATEST AFRICAN CHAMPION EVER WHEN HE WAS IN HIS PRIME AT FEATHERWEIGHT IT WOULD TAKE A LEGEND LIKE SADDLER OR PEP TO MATCH HIM..................I JUST THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SHORT MEMORIES I DON'T.........YOU ONLY HAVE TO CHECK OUT SOME OF THE TOP 20 LIST ON THIS FORUM TO SEE THAT HE IS VERY MUCH UNDER-RATED AND THAT IS A GREAT INJUSTICE PLEASE GO RESEARCH THE GREAT AZUMAH

nelson was a great fighter but there is no way he was above Chavez ,hagler ,roy jones and hearns ...

Chepppaaa wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:1.Sugar Ray Leonard
2.Roberto Duran
3.Azumah Nelson
4.Floyd Mayweather
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Marvin Hagler
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Mike Tyson
9.Tommy Hearns
10.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Ricardo Lopez
15.Roy Jones jr
16.Juan Manuel Marquez
17.James Toney
18.Mike Mc Callum
19.Shane Mosley
20.Oscar De La Hoya

chavez couldnt handle taylor and pernell and lost to both of them, but he is ranked higher than somebody more athletic and faster than both of them (roy)

and lewis beat holyfield & tyson but his behind them hahahahaha

what are you smoking?

Career vs. career, I don't even hesitate to rank evander above Lewis.

squiggy wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:1.Sugar Ray Leonard
2.Roberto Duran
3.Azumah Nelson
4.Floyd Mayweather
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Marvin Hagler
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Mike Tyson
9.Tommy Hearns
10.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Ricardo Lopez
15.Roy Jones jr
16.Juan Manuel Marquez
17.James Toney
18.Mike Mc Callum
19.Shane Mosley
20.Oscar De La Hoya

chavez couldnt handle taylor and pernell and lost to both of them, but he is ranked higher than somebody more athletic and faster than both of them (roy)

and lewis beat holyfield & tyson but his behind them hahahahaha

what are you smoking?

Career vs. career, I don't even hesitate to rank evander above Lewis.

cause you &/(%/% about boxing

man wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Manny Pacquaio
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Evander Holyfield
Pernell Whittaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Michael Spinks
Thomas Hearns

comon, you can't hate floyd that much.

He could be in that top 10. I agree on that. But I don't see that he has to be.

Hearns is at 10. I think Tommy was better.

Boxrec All-Time Ratings say this:

computerrank wrote:Boxrec All-Time Ratings say this:

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+-------------+---------------+--------+
| first_name  | last_name     | rating |
+-------------+---------------+--------+
| Floyd       | Mayweather Jr |   1637 |
| Bernard     | Hopkins       |   1369 |
| Manny       | Pacquiao      |   1306 |
| Marvin      | Hagler        |   1301 |
| Juan Manuel | Marquez       |   1253 |
| Wladimir    | Klitschko     |   1228 |
| Larry       | Holmes        |   1192 |
| Evander     | Holyfield     |   1146 |
| Roy         | Jones Jr      |   1134 |
| Lennox      | Lewis         |   1123 |
| Julio Cesar | Chavez        |   1121 |
| Oscar       | De La Hoya    |   1111 |
| Sugar Ray   | Leonard       |   1088 |
| Roberto     | Duran         |   1067 |
| Thomas      | Hearns        |   1008 |
| Azumah      | Nelson        |    967 |
| Michael     | Spinks        |    928 |
| Pernell     | Whitaker      |    910 |
| Alexis      | Arguello      |    864 |
| Shane       | Mosley        |    833 |
+-------------+---------------+--------+

A Crackhead must have put this list together,lol

Here's a top 50 of the past 25 years based only on achievements within the last 25 years....

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2 Roy Jones Jr.
3 Manny Pacquiao
4 Pernell Whitaker
5 Bernard Hopkins
6 Oscar De La Hoya
7 Juan Manuel Marquez
8 Felix Trinidad
9 Shane Mosley
10 Julio Cesar Chavez
11 Ricardo Lopez
12 Marco Antonio Barrera
13 Evander Holyfield
14 Sergio Gabriel Martinez
15 Kostya Tszyu
16 Ronald (Winky) Wright
17 Wladimir Klitschko
18 Terry Norris
19 Nonito Donaire
20 Erik Morales
21 Orlando Canizales
22 Andre Ward
23 Meldrick Taylor
24 Joe Calzaghe
25 Timothy Bradley
26 Michael Nunn
27 Ricky Hatton
28 Mike Tyson
29 Riddick Bowe
30 James Toney
31 Mark Johnson
32 Antonio Esparragoza
33 Rafael Marquez
34 Israel Vazquez
35 James (Buddy) McGirt
36 Junior Jones
37 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
38 Guillermo Rigondeaux
39 Roman Gonzalez
40 Azumah Nelson
41 Jermain Taylor
42 Michael Carbajal
43 Naseem Hamed
44 Vernon Forrest
45 Gennedy Golovkin
46 Miguel Angel Cotto
47 Diego Corrales
48 Yuri Arbachakov
49 Raul Perez
50 Humberto Gonzalez

johnswan1 wrote:Here's a top 50 of the past 25 years based only on achievements within the last 25 years....

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2 Roy Jones Jr.
3 Manny Pacquiao
4 Pernell Whitaker
5 Bernard Hopkins
6 Oscar De La Hoya
7 Juan Manuel Marquez
8 Felix Trinidad
9 Shane Mosley
10 Julio Cesar Chavez
11 Ricardo Lopez
12 Marco Antonio Barrera
13 Evander Holyfield
14 Sergio Gabriel Martinez
15 Kostya Tszyu
16 Ronald (Winky) Wright
17 Wladimir Klitschko
18 Terry Norris
19 Nonito Donaire
20 Erik Morales
21 Orlando Canizales
22 Andre Ward
23 Meldrick Taylor
24 Joe Calzaghe
25 Timothy Bradley
26 Michael Nunn
27 Ricky Hatton
28 Mike Tyson
29 Riddick Bowe
30 James Toney
31 Mark Johnson
32 Antonio Esparragoza
33 Rafael Marquez
34 Israel Vazquez
35 James (Buddy) McGirt
36 Junior Jones
37 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
38 Guillermo Rigondeaux
39 Roman Gonzalez
40 Azumah Nelson
41 Jermain Taylor
42 Michael Carbajal
43 Naseem Hamed
44 Vernon Forrest
45 Gennedy Golovkin
46 Miguel Angel Cotto
47 Diego Corrales
48 Yuri Arbachakov
49 Raul Perez
50 Humberto Gonzalez

Lennox Lewis doesn't even make the list, yet GGG, who has achieved frigg all yet is there?

Much of your list makes sense, so I am guessing that is a mistake?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

johnswan1 wrote:Here's a top 50 of the past 25 years based only on achievements within the last 25 years....

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2 Roy Jones Jr.
3 Manny Pacquiao
4 Pernell Whitaker
5 Bernard Hopkins
6 Oscar De La Hoya
7 Juan Manuel Marquez
8 Felix Trinidad
9 Shane Mosley
10 Julio Cesar Chavez
11 Ricardo Lopez
12 Marco Antonio Barrera
13 Evander Holyfield
14 Sergio Gabriel Martinez
15 Kostya Tszyu
16 Ronald (Winky) Wright
17 Wladimir Klitschko
18 Terry Norris
19 Nonito Donaire
20 Erik Morales
21 Orlando Canizales
22 Andre Ward
23 Meldrick Taylor
24 Joe Calzaghe
25 Timothy Bradley
26 Michael Nunn
27 Ricky Hatton
28 Mike Tyson
29 Riddick Bowe
30 James Toney
31 Mark Johnson
32 Antonio Esparragoza
33 Rafael Marquez
34 Israel Vazquez
35 James (Buddy) McGirt
36 Junior Jones
37 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
38 Guillermo Rigondeaux
39 Roman Gonzalez
40 Azumah Nelson
41 Jermain Taylor
42 Michael Carbajal
43 Naseem Hamed
44 Vernon Forrest
45 Gennedy Golovkin
46 Miguel Angel Cotto
47 Diego Corrales
48 Yuri Arbachakov
49 Raul Perez
50 Humberto Gonzalez

Lennox Lewis doesn't even make the list, yet GGG, who has achieved frigg all yet is there?

Much of your list makes sense, so I am guessing that is a mistake?

No Wlad!? Come on, even if you hate the guy....surely?

Ezzard wrote:

man wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Manny Pacquaio
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Evander Holyfield
Pernell Whittaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Michael Spinks
Thomas Hearns

comon, you can't hate floyd that much.

He could be in that top 10. I agree on that. But I don't see that he has to be.

Hearns is at 10. I think Tommy was better.

p4p i would debate JCC and spinks
more than hearns, but still, floyd has
to be in top 10 p4p since 1985 ... and
i would say RJJ too.

man wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

man wrote:Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Manny Pacquaio
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Evander Holyfield
Pernell Whittaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Michael Spinks
Thomas Hearns

comon, you can't hate floyd that much.

He could be in that top 10. I agree on that. But I don't see that he has to be.

Hearns is at 10. I think Tommy was better.

Strictly speaking, the past 30 years only includes two Hagler fights: Mugabi, Leonard, then retirement. And Spinks only fought 5 times, as his entire light heavyweight career is more than 30 years past. And only Hearns' post-Hagler career should count. And now I feel really old.

Jones jr
Hearns
SRL
Marquez
PBF
Holmes
Tyson
Hopkins
Toney
Lopez
Morales
Tszyu
Duran
Klit V
Holyfield
Pryor
De la Hoya
Barera
Garcia D

Chepppaaa i'm not smoking what your on....... are you talking Meldrick Taylor :?? do some research and learn something new today he's still having night mares about JCC and them last few seconds and SWEAT PEA the official result was a DRAW NO MATTER WHAT I OR YOU BELIEVE
JUST THE FACTS.......................NELSON WAS NOT FROM THE USA LIKE HAGLER/HEARNS OR JONES HE FOUGHT AWAY FROM HOME MORE TIMES THEN THESE GUYS COMBINED THAT WOULD BE HARD FOR ANY ONE TO DO AND WHATS JONES JR GOT TO DO WITH CHAVES SR YOUR KIDDING.

RedRyan wrote:Jones jr
Hearns
SRL
Marquez
PBF
Holmes
Tyson
Hopkins
Toney
Lopez
Morales
Tszyu
Duran
Klit V
Holyfield
Pryor
De la Hoya
Barera
Garcia D

these lists are always subjective of course, but
i do not see how marquez can be above floyd
or pryor above DLH.