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I'm not sure Ali-Norton II or III fall into the controversial category... I think either man could have got the nod in either fight. I'd respect a POV from either side.

Pac - Bradley I was a terrible decision in my opinion. But then again there are posters I respect who honestly believe Tim deserved the win.

Eubank seemed to get a few gift decisions...

elmersalsa wrote:I had fight #2 of Ali vs Norton, scored 118-115, for Norton.
1. Even
2. Even
3. Even
4. Even
5. Ali
6. Norton
7. Norton
8. Norton
9. Norton
10. Norton
11. Ali
12. Even
Norton won 5-2-5 in rounds. I will see it again.

nah man ali won fight #2

elmersalsa wrote:I have scored the Ali vs Norton II fight once more. There's no way that the great Muhammad Ali won that fight. Ken Norton had the cleaner punches and was punishing Ali with body shots. He had him in trouble on the ropes in many occasions.

I scored it 116-115, Norton. Norton in my view, won the 3 fights.

i disagree ali won fight #2

tiberi v toney was a horrid dec

badkatt wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:I have scored the Ali vs Norton II fight once more. There's no way that the great Muhammad Ali won that fight. Ken Norton had the cleaner punches and was punishing Ali with body shots. He had him in trouble on the ropes in many occasions.

I scored it 116-115, Norton. Norton in my view, won the 3 fights.

i disagree ali won fight #2

elmersalsa wrote:

badkatt wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:I have scored the Ali vs Norton II fight once more. There's no way that the great Muhammad Ali won that fight. Ken Norton had the cleaner punches and was punishing Ali with body shots. He had him in trouble on the ropes in many occasions.

I scored it 116-115, Norton. Norton in my view, won the 3 fights.

i disagree ali won fight #2

ali won try watching it without sound

badkatt wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

badkatt wrote: i disagree ali won fight #2

ali won try watching it without sound

I watched about 5 times. Norton got him on the ropes and made a work out of The Greatest. And I am an Ali fan

Elmer....it's ok, they were controversial fights. A lot of times when a fight is one by just one or two rounds, diversity of opinion is a result.

But none of the judges have ever gone on record recanting their decision. And a few have doubled down a few times, and even given their reasoning...about what they saw. Just as you have.

Oh....and the Ref's went with Ali....that's a pretty up front birds eye view to argue with.


And when your bestest buddy goes on the record as saying you won...but by just one round (this in the third fight).....and expressing understanding as to how other's might have seen it differently, it sort of highlights the fact that it was close....and it ended up being ruled in one (or the other's ) favor.

But not with any bias.




So...maybe just maybe....they were just close fights, that the judges happened to honestly disagree with you on.

Jeff Fenech vs Azumah Nelson fight #1
1. Nelson
2. Nelson
3. Fenech
4. EVEN
5. Fenech
6. Fenech
7. Fenech
8. Fenech
9. Fenech
10. EVEN
11. Nelson
12. Fenech

Fenech won 7-3-2 in rounds. And 117-113 on ten point scoring system. Fenech kicked his ass

Azumah Nelson vs Mario Martinez I

1. Martinez
2. EVEN
3. Martinez
4. EVEN
5. Nelson
6. Martinez
7. Nelson
8. Martinez
9. Nelson
10. Martinez by a 10-8 round. He dropped Nelson with a terrific left hook.
11. EVEN
12.Nelson

Martinez won this fight that was really close. The knockdown was the clincher in a close fight. Martinez won 116-114 on points and 5-4-3 in rounds. Was the Don King influence connection saved Nelson? I don't know. But, Martinez was robbed outright!

Watching these fights give me a better insight of some great fighters in their all time rankings in a weight class or p4p.

I would add Douglas-Tyson here.

Fortunately, the bad scoring had no impact as it did not go to scorecards, but I wonder how was it possible that the moment of stoppage only one judge had Douglas winning the fight...

elmersalsa wrote:Jeff Fenech vs Azumah Nelson fight #1
1. Nelson
2. Nelson
3. Fenech
4. EVEN
5. Fenech
6. Fenech
7. Fenech
8. Fenech
9. Fenech
10. EVEN
11. Nelson
12. Fenech

Fenech won 7-3-2 in rounds. And 117-113 on ten point scoring system. Fenech kicked his ass

Watched it in a pub and the whole joint went ballistic when the draw was announced. It was blatantly obvious who won this fight

littlepug wrote:chavez v whitaker, benn v eubank 2 , eubank v close, Dorsey v paez 1 and 2 and holyfield v lewis.

I thought Benn v Eubank 2 was spot on scoring wise.

Benn edged it, but with the point deduction, I thought a draw was a fair result.