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world ranked wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Are people not happy with GGG/Lemieux?

Its not signed yet.

But, would this match-up give G some credence in the eyes of his critics?

Havent seen lemieuxs last couple of fights, but sounds like he has learned from his poor outings and seasoned a bit. If not, its going to be game over pretty fast. Imo he is theRe to be hit, his jaw and generel punch resistance im unsure of. Golovkin better be aware of lemieuxs speed and power though.
It could be a majot upset, the chance is there, but i expect ggg by ko within five.

Impractical Poster wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Are people not happy with GGG/Lemieux?

Its not signed yet.

But, would this match-up give G some credence in the eyes of his critics?

Not really because people dont think Lemieux as a real challenge.

If GGG didn't agree to go to 168 to fight JCC jr or Froch, he wouldn't look scared like he does to fight Ward there, instead of demanding 164. Ward hasn't made that in 8-10 years, so it won't happen. BHop is a more winnable fight for him - not sure why he wouldn't take that, but guess it is a no-win situation fighting a 50 yr old guy.

Badhusker wrote:If GGG didn't agree to go to 168 to fight JCC jr or Froch, he wouldn't look scared like he does to fight Ward there, instead of demanding 164. Ward hasn't made that in 8-10 years, so it won't happen. BHop is a more winnable fight for him - not sure why he wouldn't take that, but guess it is a no-win situation fighting a 50 yr old guy.

Isn't BHop retiring?

Anyhow, there is still the business aspect of boxing. Jr and Froch would bring in a lot more money than Ward would. So, he's willing to sacrifice weight negotiations there. Ward has never really had to be uncomfortable when it comes to weight and venue. So, let's at least let him meet G halfway. Especially when Ward would not be the draw here.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If GGG didn't agree to go to 168 to fight JCC jr or Froch, he wouldn't look scared like he does to fight Ward there, instead of demanding 164. Ward hasn't made that in 8-10 years, so it won't happen. BHop is a more winnable fight for him - not sure why he wouldn't take that, but guess it is a no-win situation fighting a 50 yr old guy.

Isn't BHop retiring?

Anyhow, there is still the business aspect of boxing. Jr and Froch would bring in a lot more money than Ward would. So, he's willing to sacrifice weight negotiations there. Ward has never really had to be uncomfortable when it comes to weight and venue. So, let's at least let him meet G halfway. Especially when Ward would not be the draw here.

Exactly. Ward doesn't add much in terms of money.

The Chavez fight was just for collecting a paycheck. No real challenge even at 168. The Froch fight was for the paycheck, good name on the resume and some challenge. The Ward fight is a real challenge with no financial incentive, so GGG Team is trying to level the field.

ikorolev wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If GGG didn't agree to go to 168 to fight JCC jr or Froch, he wouldn't look scared like he does to fight Ward there, instead of demanding 164. Ward hasn't made that in 8-10 years, so it won't happen. BHop is a more winnable fight for him - not sure why he wouldn't take that, but guess it is a no-win situation fighting a 50 yr old guy.

Isn't BHop retiring?

Anyhow, there is still the business aspect of boxing. Jr and Froch would bring in a lot more money than Ward would. So, he's willing to sacrifice weight negotiations there. Ward has never really had to be uncomfortable when it comes to weight and venue. So, let's at least let him meet G halfway. Especially when Ward would not be the draw here.

Exactly. Ward doesn't add much in terms of money.

The Chavez fight was just for collecting a paycheck. No real challenge even at 168. The Froch fight was for the paycheck, good name on the resume and some challenge. The Ward fight is a real challenge with no financial incentive, so GGG Team is trying to level the field.

Then we are all agreed that GGG is no different from many other fighters when it comes to risk/reward.

Worse even, as he has yet to fight one elite guy at his weight or bigger.

And it is this that is PREVENTING him from being great!

Look at all the legend non-heavys we think about.

SRR, Homicide Hank, SRL, RJJ, JMM, Floyd, Duran, Hearns, DLH, etc.

Isn't one of the things in common (for most, not all) is that they challenged a guy in a higher weight?

Granted, perhaps Ward should challenge at a higher weight as well.

But, his greatness is not in question. Ward retires right now, he eventually gets in the HOF.

That's because he has future HOF guys on his resume already.

Who is on Golovkin's resume?

Which brings us back to doe...

No, Ward is not the money that the others were.

But, he is still the A-side because his resume makes GGG's look like a joke.

GGG would fight any 168 lb fighter at 168....except Ward. Because he know he needs to handicap Ward. Because he fears him. Smart man.

diddy wrote:GGG would fight any 168 lb fighter at 168....except Ward. Because he know he needs to handicap Ward. Because he fears him. Smart man.

Glad someone came out and said it.

I think he fears Lara too.

Not because he thinks Erislandy can beat him, but because he knows that he would be expected to KO the Cuban and that because of styles it might not happen.

And because KO or not Lara has this habit of making fighters look bad.

koolkc107 wrote:

diddy wrote:GGG would fight any 168 lb fighter at 168....except Ward. Because he know he needs to handicap Ward. Because he fears him. Smart man.

Glad someone came out and said it.

I think he fears Lara too.

Not because he thinks Erislandy can beat him, but because he knows that he would be expected to KO the Cuban and that because of styles it might not happen.

And because KO or not Lara has this habit of making fighters look bad.

Because everybody including HBO knows that Lara has this habit of making FIGHTS look bad.

diddy wrote:GGG would fight any 168 lb fighter at 168....except Ward. Because he know he needs to handicap Ward. Because he fears him. Smart man.

They haven't said "any" in years. They said that they would go up or down for a good money fight.

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

diddy wrote:GGG would fight any 168 lb fighter at 168....except Ward. Because he know he needs to handicap Ward. Because he fears him. Smart man.

Glad someone came out and said it.

I think he fears Lara too.

Not because he thinks Erislandy can beat him, but because he knows that he would be expected to KO the Cuban and that because of styles it might not happen.

And because KO or not Lara has this habit of making fighters look bad.

Because everybody including HBO knows that Lara has this habit of making FIGHTS look bad.

Depends on who he fights.

Lara has been in a few action tilts.

I don't think a GGG bout will be one of them tho.

koolkc107 wrote:[
Then we are all agreed that GGG is no different from many other fighters when it comes to risk/reward.

Worse even, as he has yet to fight one elite guy at his weight or bigger.

And it is this that is PREVENTING him from being great!

Look at all the legend non-heavys we think about.

SRR, Homicide Hank, SRL, RJJ, JMM, Floyd, Duran, Hearns, DLH, etc.

Isn't one of the things in common (for most, not all) is that they challenged a guy in a higher weight?

Granted, perhaps Ward should challenge at a higher weight as well.

But, his greatness is not in question. Ward retires right now, he eventually gets in the HOF.

That's because he has future HOF guys on his resume already.

Who is on Golovkin's resume?

Which brings us back to doe...

No, Ward is not the money that the others were.

But, he is still the A-side because his resume makes GGG's look like a joke.

I think you'll be surprised to see how great G is once his PPV numbers come in from the Lemieux fight. And these will be numbers from his first PPV and against someone not known to the common folk. I'll bet it beats Cotto/Martinez's $350K number. Other than Floyd, GGG is the main topic on pretty much every boxing forum ATM.

And G is still relatively new on the scene. He will get the fights. Until then, just enjoy the ride...... or don't. Like I care.

I'm getting lost with all this so-called ducking supposedly happening.

Golovkin is ducking Ward; Ward is ducking Kovalev; Stevenson is ducking Kovalev; Ward is ducking the 175lb division: I'm now just waiting for the post that claims that Sugar Ray Leonard ducked Ward, Golovkin, Hopkins, Kovalev & Stevenson!

If I see anymore duck threads, I might have to give the RSPB a call!

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

Floyd id ducking Lara, Andrade and Golovkin. Is this how great fighters conduct themselves?

Using your analogy to make an excuse for GGG doesn't exclude him from being a duck. Now we have Abel Sanchez wanting a CW talking about scared.

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

Floyd id ducking Lara, Andrade and Golovkin. Is this how great fighters conduct themselves?

Using your analogy to make an excuse for GGG doesn't exclude him from being a duck. Now we have Abel Sanchez wanting a CW talking about scared.

You, of all people, should have no problem with catch weights, turB.

Now when Gennady is scheduled to fight the most dangerous opponent at his weight earning more than he would against these two spoilers, this thread became ridiculous.

ikorolev wrote:Now when Gennady is scheduled to fight the most dangerous opponent at his weight earning more than he would against these two spoilers, this thread became ridiculous.

Most dangerous?

You mean the guy with back to back losses to juggernauts like Marco Antonio Rubio and Joachim Alcine?

Granted, Lemieux looked much improved of late with Ws over Rosado and N'Jikam.

But, let's not act like this is some superfight between elites.

It isn't.

It will be fan friendly for however long it lasts. That's it. And that is good enough.

Think of if as GGG vs Stevens 2.0

Tanzio wrote:

KBB wrote:You, of all people, should have no problem with catch weights, turB.

Why would you say some stupid ish like this?? When have I ever condoned any fighter having a CW fight??

KBB wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

KBB wrote:You, of all people, should have no problem with catch weights, turB.

Why would you say some stupid ish like this?? When have I ever condoned any fighter having a CW fight??

So, you had a problem with FMJ winning the 154 belt at 152?

Don't start with the "it was Canelo's choice BS."

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Now when Gennady is scheduled to fight the most dangerous opponent at his weight earning more than he would against these two spoilers, this thread became ridiculous.

Most dangerous?

You mean the guy with back to back losses to juggernauts like Marco Antonio Rubio and Joachim Alcine?

Granted, Lemieux looked much improved of late with Ws over Rosado and N'Jikam.

But, let's not act like this is some superfight between elites.

It isn't.

It will be fan friendly for however long it lasts. That's it. And that is good enough.

Think of if as GGG vs Stevens 2.0

Comparing Lemieux and Stevens is just ridiculous. Stevens was following N'Dam like a puppy without throwing punches and was dropped himself. Lemieux was landing a dropping N'Dam.

Lemieux who lost to Rubio and Alcine was a 22-year old inexperienced hyped brawler. Now he is significantly better.

... and this fight is more super-fight than Mayweather's next fight.

Tanzio wrote:So, you had a problem with FMJ winning the 154 belt at 152?

Don't start with the "it was Canelo's choice BS."

If any fighter with anything to lose is stupid enough to agree to a fight for the sake of money by adding unnecessary stress to themselves then that's their problem.

Why is it that you have a problem with what Canelo did, Floyd didn't put a gun to his head and make him agree to it.

KBB wrote:

Tanzio wrote:So, you had a problem with FMJ winning the 154 belt at 152?

Don't start with the "it was Canelo's choice BS."

If any fighter with anything to lose is stupid enough to agree to a fight for the sake of money by adding unnecessary stress to themselves then that's their problem.

Why is it that you have a problem with what Canelo did, Floyd didn't put a gun to his head and make him agree to it.

Nobody puts a gun to anyone's head to take a catch weight fight. That doesn't change the fact that every catch weight fight has an *. Especially when it is for a belt.

So, you don't have a problem with catch weights as long as FMJ negotiated it?

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Now when Gennady is scheduled to fight the most dangerous opponent at his weight earning more than he would against these two spoilers, this thread became ridiculous.

Most dangerous?

You mean the guy with back to back losses to juggernauts like Marco Antonio Rubio and Joachim Alcine?

Granted, Lemieux looked much improved of late with Ws over Rosado and N'Jikam.

But, let's not act like this is some superfight between elites.

It isn't.

It will be fan friendly for however long it lasts. That's it. And that is good enough.

Think of if as GGG vs Stevens 2.0

Comparing Lemieux and Stevens is just ridiculous. Stevens was following N'Dam like a puppy without throwing punches and was dropped himself. Lemieux was landing a dropping N'Dam.

Lemieux who lost to Rubio and Alcine was a 22-year old inexperienced hyped brawler. Now he is significantly better.

... and this fight is more super-fight than Mayweather's next fight.

I agree with that this is a match up I look forward to more than a Floyd/Berto tilt...cept that one is supposed to be free.

NO WAY is GGG vs Lemieux a superfight. It's an insult to use that word in anything Golovkin has done so far.

And I will go out on a limb and make 2 predictions.

1) This fight will be shorter than the Stevens fight.

2) It will not do 350K buys if priced at 69.99 or above.

Haha people still using "a-side" we get it. You like Floyd

But no ward isn't A side in any negotiations

If people think GGG only does 350k PPV sales
I guarantee ward wouldn't even sell 350 ( without the k) in Oakland on a PPV

He can't even get people to watch him for free

GGG doesn't fear ward for a second - people are delusional