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According to Rafael it will be a four fight telecast and Roman Gonzalez will likely be in one of the bouts.

I think it is exciting, but I don't think it is that competitive. It reminds me a lot of Kirkland/Canelo.

zorndeslammes wrote:I think it is exciting, but I don't think it is that competitive. It reminds me a lot of Kirkland/Canelo.

I can see that, although DL hasn't shown the glass jaw that Kirkland has (people go on about the Rubio stoppage but that's nowhere near as bad as a first round stoppage loss to feather-fisted Ishida) and I think he punches harder too. While GGG has more firepower than Canelo I don't think that Lemieux will be hurt and put on his ass with the same swiftness.

Apparently Luis Ortiz will probably be on the card too.

Charles Martin was on the last K2 card in NY (Klitschko-Jennings), and I wonder if they could match him with Ortiz.

sucracristo wrote:

Evander wrote:And their response was ...

why are you on a boxing board if you never watch the sport?
after every fight they ask the top fighters who they want to fight.
GGG always calls out the other "champions" and says he only wants
them, and then when cotto and the others are asked after their fights
if they will fight cotto they say no. cotto explicitly said he wasn't going
to fight GGG when asked after his last fight, even though GGG is his
mandatory WBC defense and cotto was given special permission to have
that geale fight a full year after beating martinez. cotto isn't fighting
anyone for that title without GGG's consent, and GGG is not signing to fight
lemieux until both cotto and canelo pay him to step aside and sign contracts
for the winner to face him.

Asking every fighter who he wants or doesn't want after their last fight can only tell you so much.
You referring to Miguel Cotto is just and logical to me but apparently a better offer came in for Canelo.
It's a Mexican v Puerto Rican match up that I think many people want to see, you can hardly blame them and in Cotto's case it's what he considers at this time in his career to be a the best financial move I would have thought.
It's a legitimate excuse for not wanting to fight GGG at this time, besides it's hardly like Cotto has been a sidestepper, avoider or taking the path of least resistance throughout his career is it ?

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Evander wrote: Asking every fighter who he wants or doesn't want after their last fight can only tell you so much.
You referring to Miguel Cotto is just and logical to me but apparently a better offer came in for Canelo.
It's a Mexican v Puerto Rican match up that I think many people want to see, you can hardly blame them and in Cotto's case it's what he considers at this time in his career to be a the best financial move I would have thought.
It's a legitimate excuse for not wanting to fight GGG at this time, besides it's hardly like Cotto has been a sidestepper, avoider or taking the path of least resistance throughout his career is it ?

Clearly, Golovkin represents way too much resistance for Cotto, and Miguel is realizing that.

P.S. ... and YES !!!!! to the Lemieux matchup which is more intriguing than beating the Cotto midget.

zorndeslammes wrote:I think it is exciting, but I don't think it is that competitive. It reminds me a lot of Kirkland/Canelo.

Lemieux is the only guy capable of beating GGG at 160. Because he has one punch KO power. Legit power. Will he win? No.

But...its not the foregone conclusion it would be against every other guy at 160.

Unless Canelo or Lara were to go to 160 to fight GGG, no one has a better chance against him than Lemiuex. But even he has a small chance. But it's a chance at least.

For the record - GGG won't lose until he goes up in weight. Everyone probably understands this.

Are you kidding me with this one? Anyone knocking this fight or either fighter now should just watch another sport. We haven't seen a fight like this in many many years. Don't give me the Prov/Matthysse either because that was nothing close to what this one is going to be. Each guy has over 30 KO's and this is going to be ridiculous.

Unreal. Can't wait.

Good timing for GGG. In 2-3 years, Lemieux would be more seasoned, and Golovkin would be on a decline. Now is a good time to get it over with Lemieux.

Evander wrote:

sucracristo wrote:

Evander wrote:And their response was ...

why are you on a boxing board if you never watch the sport?
after every fight they ask the top fighters who they want to fight.
GGG always calls out the other "champions" and says he only wants
them, and then when cotto and the others are asked after their fights
if they will fight cotto they say no. cotto explicitly said he wasn't going
to fight GGG when asked after his last fight, even though GGG is his
mandatory WBC defense and cotto was given special permission to have
that geale fight a full year after beating martinez. cotto isn't fighting
anyone for that title without GGG's consent, and GGG is not signing to fight
lemieux until both cotto and canelo pay him to step aside and sign contracts
for the winner to face him.

Asking every fighter who he wants or doesn't want after their last fight can only tell you so much.
You referring to Miguel Cotto is just and logical to me but apparently a better offer came in for Canelo.
It's a Mexican v Puerto Rican match up that I think many people want to see, you can hardly blame them and in Cotto's case it's what he considers at this time in his career to be a the best financial move I would have thought.
It's a legitimate excuse for not wanting to fight GGG at this time, besides it's hardly like Cotto has been a sidestepper, avoider or taking the path of least resistance throughout his career is it ?

ok this is how the convo went:

you said GGG hasn't fought a big name.

korolev said ggg had called all of them out, starting back with martinez, and they refused to fight him.

you then asked "Who's he called out and what has their response been ?"
as if you didn't know, when it's impossible not to know if you watch the fights
and pay attention at all. and after reading a partial list of all the top guys GGG
called out you asked the question at the top that i replied to. that is how we got
to this point. you can make excuses and say cotto would rather fight canelo than
GGG, and then also say cotto also would rather fight geale than GGG, but the thing
is, cotto got special permission to fight geale a full year after beating martinez on
condition that his next defense was GGG, or vacate the title. the wbc's instructions
were explicit.
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/06/cot ... -golovkin/
"Cotto was supposed to be fighting Golovkin next, but both the WBC and Golovkin agreed to
let the Cotto-Canelo fight take place as long as Golovkin gets the next shot at the title."

GGG got paid to step aside for MC-SA, is going to to take lemieux's ibf title in october,
and is either going to face the winner of cotto-canelo or inherit the vacated title if cotto
somehow makes it past canelo, leaving only lee who is defending against saunders in september.
it's possible GGG could also face lee in january or february and the may fight against the cotto-canelo
winner could lock up all the titles. either way, GGG not fighting a big name to earn your respect
is unarguably because the other top guys refuse to fight him.

First of all, this is probably not a PPV worthy fight unless they stack the card.

And no, just Chocolatito is not nearly what I'd call stacked.

Also important is how much they will charge.

$19.99 and it is a no brainer. $59.99 and I am going to pass, heading to the Winghouse or even waiting for the rebroadcast.

As I said in another thread, this is GGG vs. Curtis Stevens 2.0

And Stevens probably has a better chin.

Stevens punches hard, but he's not a pure puncher like Lemieux.
He couldn't even deck N'Dam once.

I respect Lemieux for putting his career back on course and for stepping up to the 3G challenge that so many others have avoided for so long.

While he will be a severe underdog in this war, he has the firepower to test 3G's beard early. If it shows signs of splintering, Lemieux will have a chance if he pressures 3G.

That said, 3G should take this within the first half.

No way Lemieux is just another Stevens---they may have some similarities but compare how they recently did against Rosado and N'dam, and while Lemieux has his losses at least he wasn't put down and throughly outclassed by Jesse Brinkley or stopped by a 19-15 journeyman like Marcos Primera.

Stevens also waits around too much and has a tendency to do nothing for prolonged periods, while Lemieux is significantly busier. I think that's important because opponents have had the most success against GGG when they man up and actually attack him.

crusader wrote:No way Lemieux is just another Stevens---they may have some similarities but compare how they recently did against Rosado and N'dam, and while Lemieux has his losses at least he wasn't put down and throughly outclassed by Jesse Brinkley or stopped by a 19-15 journeyman like Marcos Primera.

Stevens also waits around too much and has a tendency to do nothing for prolonged periods, while Lemieux is significantly busier. I think that's important because opponents have had the most success against GGG when they man up and actually attack him.

This is going to be a fantastic fight to watch !!

GGG opens at -2000.

koolkc107 wrote:First of all, this is probably not a PPV worthy fight unless they stack the card.

And no, just Chocolatito is not nearly what I'd call stacked.

Also important is how much they will charge.

$19.99 and it is a no brainer. $59.99 and I am going to pass, heading to the Winghouse or even waiting for the rebroadcast.

As I said in another thread, this is GGG vs. Curtis Stevens 2.0

And Stevens probably has a better chin.

This fight is Hagler/Hearns type stuff, never mind the Stevens BS. This fight won't last 6 rounds but it's going to be thunderous while it lasts. Your crazy for not watching it live.

I think this fight is well worthy of all the attention is getting. We have seen GGG tested although a lot wont agree because has made them all look so crap. This is the first puncher he has faced since stephens and this guy seems a level or two above stephens. Lets hope its at least competitive for a few rounds otherwise GGG will again get no credit for the win.

I'm actually surprised this got made this year. I'm guessing it will be all action, but GGG will stop him within 8 rounds. Just the right style for him, but it would be great if it goes longer.

caldo2025 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:First of all, this is probably not a PPV worthy fight unless they stack the card.

And no, just Chocolatito is not nearly what I'd call stacked.

Also important is how much they will charge.

$19.99 and it is a no brainer. $59.99 and I am going to pass, heading to the Winghouse or even waiting for the rebroadcast.

As I said in another thread, this is GGG vs. Curtis Stevens 2.0

And Stevens probably has a better chin.

This fight is Hagler/Hearns type stuff, never mind the Stevens BS. This fight won't last 6 rounds but it's going to be thunderous while it lasts. Your crazy for not watching it live.

I am a fan, I doubt I will miss it live. I am just not buying a fight that isn't worth buying.

And easy with the Hearns/Hagler hype. Neither guy has anywhere near the status those 2 had when they met.

It does look to be entertaining tho.

Badhusker wrote:I'm actually surprised this got made this year. I'm guessing it will be all action, but GGG will stop him within 8 rounds. Just the right style for him, but it would be great if it goes longer.

Disagree with the style bit. GGG thrives when fighters back away, he can get them along the ropes, and then unload at mid-range....he has more problems when people stand their ground and trade with him in close, as he gets hit the most here and doesn't seem to generate the same power. He is also ineffective when pushed back, as he doesn't usually throw counters and his offense largely shuts down when he's in reverse. In these ways he reminds me of Kostya, a heavy-handed stalker who was out-bullied in both his defeats.

Although Lemieux is mainly a come-forward fighter he does occasionally retreat to the ropes for rest and then go passive for short periods other than the odd left hook, and Rosado and N'dam were able to land in these spots, so I believe he'll need to try to avoid these situations against GGG. It seems counter-intuitive given GGG's firepower, but in my opinion to give himself the best chance of winning Lemieux needs to come forward and work in close as much as he can at a sustainable pace.

koolkc107 wrote: I am a fan, I doubt I will miss it live. I am just not buying a fight that isn't worth buying.

And easy with the Hearns/Hagler hype. Neither guy has anywhere near the status those 2 had when they met.

It does look to be entertaining tho.

I'm referring to the action in the ring, not each boxers status in the sport. Just like Hagler & Hearns, these two guys only fight coming forward and do a great job cutting off the ring. Neither fighter has a shutdown defense so the winner is going to have to fight through a lot of punishment to get their hand raised, just like H&H. It might even be better because neither guy has a spaghetti legs or soft chin.

With that said, I agree with you. This fight, by itself, will not put up great PPV numbers. I think they should have let this matchup marinade more but i'm glad they are doing it. They need to do more than just put a big name like Chocolito on the undercard, they need to put him in there with someone good. They need a couple of big fights to support it. I completely agree with you there.