keithmoonhangover wrote:Wilder's just doing what most heavyweights have done. Win the title and get a couple of easy defences in before he has the gut check mandatory.
See Bowe, Foreman, Frazier and stacks of others.
For the whole picture you'd need to look at total resumes. It's not like Wilder just started coasting now...he's coasted his whole career so far. It sucks when you follow a boxer for 30+ fights and still don't know if he's even legitimately world level.
So he fought bums? Loads of heavyweights did. He'll be fighting Povetkin or Wlad soon enough,
We keep hearing that. It's been, what 34 fights now?
I'd have been happy with Lucas Brown who has been pleading for this fight and is available and wouldn't cost much. Why not select him? Why are the names we're hearing as potential opponents for this fight SO BAD? Another tune up? The previous 30 odd fights haven't been enough?
punchoutsb wrote:I'd have been happy with Lucas Brown who has been pleading for this fight and is available and wouldn't cost much. Why not select him? Why are the names we're hearing as potential opponents for this fight SO BAD? Another tune up? The previous 30 odd fights haven't been enough?
If you were his manager, would you want him to fight a safe option or a dangerous one, if the money was the same?
punchoutsb wrote:I'd have been happy with Lucas Brown who has been pleading for this fight and is available and wouldn't cost much. Why not select him? Why are the names we're hearing as potential opponents for this fight SO BAD? Another tune up? The previous 30 odd fights haven't been enough?
If you were his manager, would you want him to fight a safe option or a dangerous one, if the money was the same?
That depends. I guess if I thought I really had the best heavyweight I'd take the best fights available. If I wasn't confident in my fighter I'd definitely take an Andrej Wawrzyk type.
The heavyweight division is supposed to be so weak, and Wilder is this potential savior. They just need to get their mouths and actions in line. Lucas Brown (again just as an example since he has been asking for the fight hard) is a 36 year old man who, by fight time, would have been out of the ring for almost 10 months. If that is too dangerous then the paper title needs to be handed it at their earliest convenience.
punchoutsb wrote:I'd have been happy with Lucas Brown who has been pleading for this fight and is available and wouldn't cost much. Why not select him? Why are the names we're hearing as potential opponents for this fight SO BAD? Another tune up? The previous 30 odd fights haven't been enough?
If you were his manager, would you want him to fight a safe option or a dangerous one, if the money was the same?
That depends. I guess if I thought I really had the best heavyweight I'd take the best fights available. If I wasn't confident in my fighter I'd definitely take an Andrej Wawrzyk type.
The heavyweight division is supposed to be so weak, and Wilder is this potential savior. They just need to get their mouths and actions in line. Lucas Brown (again just as an example since he has been asking for the fight hard) is a 36 year old man who, by fight time, would have been out of the ring for almost 10 months. If that is too dangerous then the paper title needs to be handed it at their earliest convenience.
I agree that his opponent is weak, but if I was his manager, it would be an easy defence. No shame in it. Bowe fought a completely shot Dokes and Jesse Ferguson. Same shit, different champ.
keithmoonhangover wrote:
I agree that his opponent is weak, but if I was his manager, it would be an easy defence. No shame in it. Bowe fought a completely shot Dokes and Jesse Ferguson. Same poo, different champ.
Sandwiched between Evander Holyfield.
I'm not arguing that crappy defenses exist, I'm not even saying Wilder is a hype job. I'm just frustrated as a fan who would like to see him in a meaningful fight.
keithmoonhangover wrote:
I agree that his opponent is weak, but if I was his manager, it would be an easy defence. No shame in it. Bowe fought a completely shot Dokes and Jesse Ferguson. Same poo, different champ.
Sandwiched between Evander Holyfield.
I'm not arguing that crappy defenses exist, I'm not even saying Wilder is a hype job. I'm just frustrated as a fan who would like to see him in a meaningful fight.
I thought Stiverne was a meaningful fight. Povektin will be a meaningful fight; Povetkin will slaughter him.
keithmoonhangover wrote:
I agree that his opponent is weak, but if I was his manager, it would be an easy defence. No shame in it. Bowe fought a completely shot Dokes and Jesse Ferguson. Same poo, different champ.
Sandwiched between Evander Holyfield.
I'm not arguing that crappy defenses exist, I'm not even saying Wilder is a hype job. I'm just frustrated as a fan who would like to see him in a meaningful fight.
I thought Stiverne was a meaningful fight. Povektin will be a meaningful fight; Povetkin will slaughter him.
Stiverne was a meaningful fight. Stiverne was also brutally over-rated (I said before the fact, though I DID pick him to beat Wilder and was glad to be proven wrong) and essentially gifted the title by beating fat boy Cristobal.
As for Povetkin/Wilder, I'd lean towards Povetkin but we really have no way to know until they fight since Wilder has avoided any challenge thus far in his career.
Wow the Wilder fanboys are getting desperate. This is an absolutely atrocious matchup. His team clearly don't have confidence and are trying to milk him vs stiffs as long as they can.
punchoutsb wrote:I'd have been happy with Lucas Brown who has been pleading for this fight and is available and wouldn't cost much. Why not select him? Why are the names we're hearing as potential opponents for this fight SO BAD? Another tune up? The previous 30 odd fights haven't been enough?
If you were his manager, would you want him to fight a safe option or a dangerous one, if the money was the same?
That depends. I guess if I thought I really had the best heavyweight I'd take the best fights available. If I wasn't confident in my fighter I'd definitely take an Andrej Wawrzyk type.
The heavyweight division is supposed to be so weak, and Wilder is this potential savior. They just need to get their mouths and actions in line. Lucas Brown (again just as an example since he has been asking for the fight hard) is a 36 year old man who, by fight time, would have been out of the ring for almost 10 months. If that is too dangerous then the paper title needs to be handed it at their earliest convenience.
I agree that his opponent is weak, but if I was his manager, it would be an easy defence. No shame in it. Bowe fought a completely shot Dokes and Jesse Ferguson. Same poo, different champ.[/quote]
Ferguson got the shot by upsetting the once-beaten Olympic gold medalist Ray Mercer. Dokes was a former titleholder who had recently given Holyfield and Ruddock competitive fights. Wawrzyk has beaten . . . .literally no-one.
funso banjo baby wrote:deontay hasnt been in a fight with a world class fighter yet.
regardless of the rankings that the alphabets gave stiverne and arreola.
not saying the fighters are to blame.
its just the sorry state that heavyweights are in.
it dosnt help that the hype around these guys is circus-like
in the run up to the Wilder-stiverne fight i had to continually remind some pretty influential journalists and insiders that stiverne was NOT undefeated as they were constantly claiming..but that he had a ko loss and a draw against extremely mediocre club fighters.
I disagree with that other than Wlad. Every heavyweight resume can be disected. I think Stiverne was a world class fighter.
So do I. The frightening thing is that there are posters here who actually believe guys like Wach, Pianetta and Pulev are also world class fighters and somehow better than Wilder. Those 3 would have been life-and-death with Wepner.
I think I said once before that it's been so long since there's been a decent heavyweight around, many of you can't even recognize one.
Pulev is world-class in this era. And he'd beat Wilder.
dempseyfire wrote:
Ferguson got the shot by upsetting the once-beaten Olympic gold medalist Ray Mercer. Dokes was a former titleholder who had recently given Holyfield and Ruddock competitive fights. Wawrzyk has beaten . . . .literally no-one.[/b]
Oh come on, Dokes was shot to pieces and fought bums after the Ruddock fight. I'm not saying Wawrzyk or Molina are better than Dokes or Ferguson, but the point is, they are weak opposition and easy defences, just like Dokes and Ferguson.
Peter Fury turned down an offer by Wilder, stating that Hughie needs more than 4 weeks to prepare. The fight is 7.5 weeks out. Hughie needs 8 so no fight. Peter needs some math lessons, and Hughie needs to grow a .pair
Badhusker wrote:Peter Fury turned down an offer by Wilder, stating that Hughie needs more than 4 weeks to prepare. The fight is 7.5 weeks out. Hughie needs 8 so no fight. Peter needs some math lessons, and Hughie needs to grow a .pair
Source?
All I see is his twitter saying they'll take the fight if it's 8 weeks...nothing about 4 weeks or turning down an offer.
Dan Rafael@danrafaelespn
Name I've heard as possibility for 9/26 @BronzeBomber fight is Andrzej Wawrzyk, which is awful if he gets the fight. Woeful. (more) #boxing
Dan Rafael@danrafaelespn
The one time Andrzej Wawrzyk fought anyone of remote note, Povetkin mopped the floor with him. Showed nothing. #boxing @BronzeBomber
Badhusker wrote:Peter Fury turned down an offer by Wilder, stating that Hughie needs more than 4 weeks to prepare. The fight is 7.5 weeks out. Hughie needs 8 so no fight. Peter needs some math lessons, and Hughie needs to grow a .pair
Wilder is the one that needs to grow a pair he's a "world champ" calling out a 20 year old prospect!
Badhusker wrote:Peter Fury turned down an offer by Wilder, stating that Hughie needs more than 4 weeks to prepare. The fight is 7.5 weeks out. Hughie needs 8 so no fight. Peter needs some math lessons, and Hughie needs to grow a .pair
Wilder is the one that needs to grow a pair he's a "world champ" calling out a 20 year old prospect!
"Calling out" or making an offer to? Lets not forget it was Fury's team who said they were targeting Mike Tyson's record for youngest Heavyweight champion... I tend to like teams backing up their talk...
...though of course Wilder's team has been chatting shit as well and they are just as irritating
Never post a Scott gilfoid "article" as proof of anything. He's a grade A jock sniffer and the worst boxing "writer" I have ever seen. He's actually so bad I suspect he's a troll.
Badhusker wrote:Peter Fury turned down an offer by Wilder, stating that Hughie needs more than 4 weeks to prepare. The fight is 7.5 weeks out. Hughie needs 8 so no fight. Peter needs some math lessons, and Hughie needs to grow a .pair
Wilder is the one that needs to grow a pair he's a "world champ" calling out a 20 year old prospect!
Exactly . . Hughie is barely better than Wawrzyk as an opponent right now.
Why are some of you guys so wound up about who Wilder is fighting anyway? Most here think he is just an over-rated, raw, chinny guy with chicken legs, that was gifted the title anyway. He shouldn't matter to those of you that think that, unless you just like to bitch.
