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Maxsplit wrote:In the last 5 years, David Haye has TWO victories:

1) Audley Harrison
2) Dereck Chisora

I think this says it all.

We'd all tune in for Haye-Price though!

I wonder what Spuds opinion is on all of this?

Supremo wrote:He's a dick. His crusierweight career was superb and I had the uptmost respect for him when he travelled to Paris and beat Mormeck. However, once he became a household name and got money he lost his hunger for boxing and was only interested in cash and fame, not a legacy or respect. His career as a heavyweight was shocking for all his big mouth.
Anyone remember when he used to always complain at cruiser that he was only operating at 60% of his ability as he was so weight drained at having to take off 2 stone per fight? yet when he fought at heavyweight the most he ever weighed was about 15st7lbs? he is just a serial bullshitter. I don't mind big mouths when they ca back it up, but when they fight like he did against Valuev and Klitshcko then I lose respect for them.

Spot on Supremo

Controversial wrote:

Sklar wrote:My understanding is that Haye's shoulder is still not right. He is maintaining his public profile and because of that is, in the big scheme of things, still relevant as a 'boxer'. If he could get his body through a full training camp (no guarantee due to chronic injury) when another Brit wants a pay day, he's still the best option.

Yeah I think his shoulder is knackered and although he's saying it's great it isn't. He's probably hoping a rest will sort it and that's why he hasn't had a fight.

Did you not know the shoulder surgery was fake? Ha'way man lads, look at the photo of him in the hospital bed. #proof #conspiracy #notreal #moonlandings #crazyfuryfansactuallybelievethisshit

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Sklar wrote:My understanding is that Haye's shoulder is still not right. He is maintaining his public profile and because of that is, in the big scheme of things, still relevant as a 'boxer'. If he could get his body through a full training camp (no guarantee due to chronic injury) when another Brit wants a pay day, he's still the best option.

Yeah I think his shoulder is knackered and although he's saying it's great it isn't. He's probably hoping a rest will sort it and that's why he hasn't had a fight.

Did you not know the shoulder surgery was fake? Ha'way man lads, look at the photo of him in the hospital bed. #proof #conspiracy #notreal #moonlandings #crazyfuryfansactuallybelievethisshit

Eh? If your mean the shoulders swapped over thats because he took photos in a mirror

Controversial wrote:Eh? If your mean the shoulders swapped over thats because he took photos in a mirror

It's a fake and he cut himself to get out of the first fight because he was scared of fighting Fury. He fought Wlad, but Fury was too much for him, hence the fake shoulder injury. Nothing wrong with him.... honest.

mickey1975 wrote:

Exoddus wrote:Got a feeling he's going to fight Fury after he loses to Klitschko.

Can't see them dealing with Haye after him bricking it before. He cost them a lot of money and wasted a year of Tyson's career.

That's a bit harsh mate, did he really brick it? he got injured.

if he is prepared to enter the ring with a Klit, I'm pretty sure he would be fine getting in with the average boxer that is Fury.

Don't get me wrong I was at Hamburg like you and I was very disappointed but to say he 'bricked it' against Fury, seems like you having an issue not the actual truth

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Controversial wrote:Eh? If your mean the shoulders swapped over thats because he took photos in a mirror

It's a fake and he cut himself to get out of the first fight because he was scared of fighting Fury. He fought Wlad, but Fury was too much for him, hence the fake shoulder injury. Nothing wrong with him.... honest.

If David announces a big fight, he will be very relevant

I don't think Haye will fight again. As a small comparison I've had tendonitis in my shoulder, no surgery just strong pain killers, rest, physio and pain killing injections, and after six months the pain and weakness was still there. I couldn't do any type of training or heavy lifting and I had to rest the arm as much as possible. Going by his operation and the stresses his arm would be put under with training and fighting I very much doubt he will ever be the same again.

Saying that, with all this talk about him becoming irrelevant, we're still talking about him.

Hahahahah!

"Nobody is talking about david Haye ...discuss."

He's still relevant to boxing but I feel a bit let down with him tbh. He promised fireworks v Wlad and bricked it while making a fortune and i think he did mess Fury around. If Haye boxes again i'll maybe watch on telly but won't get overly excited, its a shame - he was a ferocious cruiserweight.

I agree a lot of with other posters, Haye had a great career at cruiseweight but at heavyweight his fights were a bit of the circus act. I don't think he fancied the Fury fight. He will go down the Hamed route. lots of come back talks but doubt he will fight again.

palooka wrote:He's still relevant to boxing but I feel a bit let down with him tbh. He promised fireworks v Wlad and bricked it while making a fortune and i think he did mess Fury around. If Haye boxes again i'll maybe watch on telly but won't get overly excited, its a shame - he was a ferocious cruiserweight.

To be fair to Haye (and I've been a big critic in the past), perhaps the truth is that the injury was bad, and he hoped it would be ok to fight, but it proved otherwise.

Either way, Fury did get messed about, but I don't for a moment understand why he would have been afraid of Fury, for what it's worth, I think Haye would have absolutely battered him senseless. Haye can certainly hit, and is technically way better than Fury, even this improved version.

I can imagine Haye getting his hunger back - he's spent a while as an onlooker seeing people earning big money in big fights for the last couple of years.

The Jungle celeb stuff is ok as a pastime , but it's not a career.

I don't buy it that he's a coward, he travelled to Germany twice to fight Valuev and Klitschko. Travelled to Paris to fight the #1 in Mormeck.

I wouldn't mind seeing him back, and I think he learned a lesson from toe / backlash from the big talk before the Wlad fight. I think he's got a lot still to prove and I can see him wanting to prove it.

One thing is for sure, heavyweights might box on until their 40's - but Haye is a different type of operator to most. He relies heavily on speed, timing and reflexes - those are the main things that fade with age - and he needs them dearly to combat the really big guys in the division. He cannot leave it any longer.

Don't rule out money as a big factor either. I am sure Haye is still a very wealthy man after some of his PPV exploits, but he must just piss money with his lifestyle.

While I have no doubt some of his trips/stays/clothes/bling etc are either freebies and/or commercial tie-ins he doesn't exactly live modestly.

Don't blame him or begrudge him for one minute but I am sure another multi million payday against say Klit, Wilder, Fury or Joshua wouldn't go amiss for him.

I've seen him live twice - enzo and then chisora - and as much as my head would say no, my heart would probably end up with me buying a ticket to any of the above match ups.

palooka wrote:He's still relevant to boxing but I feel a bit let down with him tbh. He promised fireworks v Wlad and bricked it while making a fortune and i think he did mess Fury around. If Haye boxes again i'll maybe watch on telly but won't get overly excited, its a shame - he was a ferocious cruiserweight.

I don't think he bricked it. His plan was to stay out of the way and try and land the hayemaker. I think that in the ring, he found out Wlad was a hell of a lot better than he thought. I think he underestimated Wlad and didn't respect him. I think Haye thought if he landed one big shot cleanly, Wlad would malfunction and Haye would be able to stop him. As much as people take the piss out of the toe, I've broke my little toe twice and even with pail killers, it effected my ability to walk. It had to have an effect on him mentally and physically. In hindsight, I think Haye did the best be could on the night.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

palooka wrote:He's still relevant to boxing but I feel a bit let down with him tbh. He promised fireworks v Wlad and bricked it while making a fortune and i think he did mess Fury around. If Haye boxes again i'll maybe watch on telly but won't get overly excited, its a shame - he was a ferocious cruiserweight.

I don't think he bricked it. His plan was to stay out of the way and try and land the hayemaker. I think that in the ring, he found out Wlad was a hell of a lot better than he thought. I think he underestimated Wlad and didn't respect him. I think Haye thought if he landed one big shot cleanly, Wlad would malfunction and Haye would be able to stop him. As much as people take the piss out of the toe, I've broke my little toe twice and even with pail killers, it effected my ability to walk. It had to have an effect on him mentally and physically. In hindsight, I think Haye did the best be could on the night.

You're a kind man, though I accept he was in pain I've seen boxers getting a ten thousanth of his purse give it a right go. Toe or no toe he let himself down.

Glass Joe wrote:I agree a lot of with other posters, Haye had a great career at cruiseweight but at heavyweight his fights were a bit of the circus act. I don't think he fancied the Fury fight. He will go down the Hamed route. lots of come back talks but doubt he will fight again.

And the strange thing is that Hamed would have only ever managed a comeback at heavyweight too!

palooka wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

palooka wrote:He's still relevant to boxing but I feel a bit let down with him tbh. He promised fireworks v Wlad and bricked it while making a fortune and i think he did mess Fury around. If Haye boxes again i'll maybe watch on telly but won't get overly excited, its a shame - he was a ferocious cruiserweight.

I don't think he bricked it. His plan was to stay out of the way and try and land the hayemaker. I think that in the ring, he found out Wlad was a hell of a lot better than he thought. I think he underestimated Wlad and didn't respect him. I think Haye thought if he landed one big shot cleanly, Wlad would malfunction and Haye would be able to stop him. As much as people take the piss out of the toe, I've broke my little toe twice and even with pail killers, it effected my ability to walk. It had to have an effect on him mentally and physically. In hindsight, I think Haye did the best be could on the night.

You're a kind man, though I accept he was in pain I've seen boxers getting a ten thousanth of his purse give it a right go. Toe or no toe he let himself down.

He could have gone toe to toe (no pun intended) from the opening bell and got knocked out, but what would that achieve? He chose a gameplan, stuck to it and lost. It was a foul filled, slow paced, lack of action, dull fight, but there aren't many of Wlad's fights that aren't. It's like watching Mayweather-Pac and expecting Hagler-Hearns.

It was a negative bout from Haye characterised by the odd out of range lunge. Haye promised destruction and stalllld through the bout, he should have at least had a realistic game plan to win, Wlad was not going to walk into a set piece combination.

palooka wrote: You're a kind man, though I accept he was in pain I've seen boxers getting a ten thousanth of his purse give it a right go. Toe or no toe he let himself down.

I agree, poor excuse and he done himself no favours making such a big deal of a broken little pinky. Fighters win fights with all sorts of injuries, broken bones, one handed etc... He should've just kept his mouth shut.

Hilarious that anyone thinks Haye was/is scared of Fury

Just watch them together when they were hyping the fight, trying to sell it. Haye looked as collected as can be when in Furys presence, almost like he thought Fury was a complete tool. I actually thought it was Fury who looked unsettled and a bit scared when in Haye's company. Rightly so too. He might be a bit of poser and full of chat but I'd have bet the house he knocked Fury out, in or outside the ring, in surprisingly easy fashion.

Always thought that rubbed a few up the wrong way which clouded their judgement of Haye. I remember in boxing news a lot of 'experts' picked Enzo to beat him because Enzo was tougher...yeah right.

Tysons great value and I'm a fan but it's about levels. Notice he's abuse of Haye is always social media based or when Haye isn't in the vicinity?

Ya, it's hard for me to believe that Haye was afraid of Fury given that the latter wasn't far removed from being put on his ass by and having to come from behind against a non-punching, career CW who generally hasn't looked as good as Haye ("but Peter wasn't able to go to the US!!!"). Moreover, at that point Fury hadn't scored his standout wins over Chisora (who was blasted out in 5 by Haye after losing every round) and Hammer that seem to have people believing that he's quite a skilled boxer.

Haye certainly has some qualities that I don't like, but I don't think his resume suggests that he would've been afraid of fighting someone like Fury at that point.

Just watch them together when they were hyping the fight, trying to sell it. Haye looked as collected as can be when in Furys presence, almost like he thought Fury was a complete tool. I actually thought it was Fury who looked unsettled and a bit scared when in Haye's company

Incidentally, that's what I'm noticing for Wlad-Fury as well and I've linked to a video which I think shows an example of this. Fury has those much quoted bits when he runs his mouth, but for the most part I thought he looked tense at their presser, with a lot of fidgeting and nervous expressions. Wlad to me seemed like the cooler customer--he's been there many times and hasn't ducked anyone like a fighter lacking confidence might--and almost amused by Fury at points.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/video-w ... hotoshoot/