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Considering the fact that fighters are 39 and 46 it was a good fight.
If both were ten years younger and gave us that fight....


Good call from the judges, both fighters will whine about it.
I don't mind the idea of seeing either fighter in the ring again but I don't want to see a rematch.

Yup.. I had it 114-114 I'm interested to see the 115-114 card and how the judge came up with that. But about the fight I think it wasn't that bad. The only reason it seemed that way was because of how great a fight the previous one was. I wouldn't have a problem with a rematch for both of the fights.

sykessta wrote:Yup.. I had it 114-114 I'm interested to see the 115-114 card and how the judge came up with that. But about the fight I think it wasn't that bad. The only reason it seemed that way was because of how great a fight the previous one was. I wouldn't have a problem with a rematch for both of the fights.

Apparently the 115-114 card was actually 115-113 and someone made an addition error.

crusader wrote:

sykessta wrote:Yup.. I had it 114-114 I'm interested to see the 115-114 card and how the judge came up with that. But about the fight I think it wasn't that bad. The only reason it seemed that way was because of how great a fight the previous one was. I wouldn't have a problem with a rematch for both of the fights.

Apparently the 115-114 card was actually 115-113 and someone made an addition error.

seriously?

Yep

Good thing math isn't a big thing for those guys..

Huh. Well I know they used to do 10-10 rounds but don't any more or at least not that I've seen. Still not sure if it's an official rule that judges have to give the round to one fighter or another or it's just one of those de facto unwritten rules..

just feed them both to someone like pulev, and helenium to finish them off

cold187 wrote:just feed them both to someone like pulev, and helenium to finish them off

Helenius is giving us no evidence that he can still compete with top 15 heavyweights. It's more like just feed Helenius to someone like Tarver and Cunningham to finish him off.

Lackeos wrote:

cold187 wrote:just feed them both to someone like pulev, and helenium to finish them off

Helenius is giving us no evidence that he can still compete with top 15 heavyweights. It's more like just feed Helenius to someone like Tarver and Cunningham to finish him off.

Neither Tarver or Cunningham are top 15. You could have brought Helenius out of anesthesia from his shoulder surgery and he could have beaten either of them last night.

If I were Joseph Parkers team I'd be on the phone with both right now.

punchoutsb wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

cold187 wrote:just feed them both to someone like pulev, and helenium to finish them off

Helenius is giving us no evidence that he can still compete with top 15 heavyweights. It's more like just feed Helenius to someone like Tarver and Cunningham to finish him off.

Neither Tarver or Cunningham are top 15. You could have brought Helenius out of anesthesia from his shoulder surgery and he could have beaten either of them last night.

If I were Joseph Parkers team I'd be on the phone with both right now.

I'd actually pick both Tarver and Cunningham to beat Helenius on points.

PredatorHayds wrote: I'd actually pick both Tarver and Cunningham to beat Helenius on points.

And my opinion is that you'd be wrong on both counts. Cunningham doesn't outpoint anyone anymore, and has a shaky chin. Helenius stops him in seven or eight. Tarver is an overrated fat blob who is no where near active enough in the ring. He drew with USS by landing one solid punch (that shook Cunningham) every couple of round. Helenius has more than enough power to stop him, but would most likely win a shut out UD since Tarver is in survival mode.

punchoutsb wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote: I'd actually pick both Tarver and Cunningham to beat Helenius on points.

And my opinion is that you'd be wrong on both counts. Cunningham doesn't outpoint anyone anymore, and has a shaky chin. Helenius stops him in seven or eight. Tarver is an overrated fat blob who is no where near active enough in the ring. He drew with USS by landing one solid punch (that shook Cunningham) every couple of round. Helenius has more than enough power to stop him, but would most likely win a shut out UD since Tarver is in survival mode.

This is the same Helenius that Chisora outboxed over 10 rounds. Cunningham out works Helenius.
Tarver catches Helenius non stop with left hands.

PredatorHayds wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote: I'd actually pick both Tarver and Cunningham to beat Helenius on points.

And my opinion is that you'd be wrong on both counts. Cunningham doesn't outpoint anyone anymore, and has a shaky chin. Helenius stops him in seven or eight. Tarver is an overrated fat blob who is no where near active enough in the ring. He drew with USS by landing one solid punch (that shook Cunningham) every couple of round. Helenius has more than enough power to stop him, but would most likely win a shut out UD since Tarver is in survival mode.

This is the same Helenius that Chisora outboxed over 10 rounds. Cunningham out works Helenius.
Tarver catches Helenius non stop with left hands.

Helenius had two very serious injuries which required surgery and a long layoff during the Chisora bout.

Cunningham has no chin, no power, and even tires more easily than he used to. Tarver was pathetic in their bout, and the only thing memorable about his heavy weight "run" is his jiggly belly, failed drug test, and arrest. Helenius walks right through them both.

sykessta wrote:Huh. Well I know they used to do 10-10 rounds but don't any more or at least not that I've seen. Still not sure if it's an official rule that judges have to give the round to one fighter or another or it's just one of those de facto unwritten rules..

See them a fair bit in Korea, Japan and saw one in Chile on Saturday. They don't like it in the US.

And my opinion is that you'd be wrong on both counts. Cunningham doesn't outpoint anyone anymore, and has a shaky chin. Helenius stops him in seven or eight. Tarver is an overrated fat blob who is no where near active enough in the ring. He drew with USS by landing one solid punch (that shook Cunningham) every couple of round. Helenius has more than enough power to stop him, but would most likely win a shut out UD since Tarver is in survival mode.[/quote]
This is the same Helenius that Chisora outboxed over 10 rounds. Cunningham out works Helenius.
Tarver catches Helenius non stop with left hands.[/quote]

Helenius had two very serious injuries which required surgery and a long layoff during the Chisora bout.

Cunningham has no chin, no power, and even tires more easily than he used to. Tarver was pathetic in their bout, and the only thing memorable about his heavy weight "run" is his jiggly belly, failed drug test, and arrest. Helenius walks right through them both.[/quote]
Couldn't disagree more. I'd even back Teper beating Helenius if they fight for the euro title.