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Lenny Cravats wrote:

KBB wrote:Manny playing Basketball:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db2kLJ2NJF4

So, you don't believe that man landed on the moon, or that CERN isn't a secret devil worshipping cult, but you believe that a claimed shoulder injury (which I don't believe he ever had, TBF) can be dismissed in light of a short video clip of him playing basketball? Interesting.

I don't believe he had a shoulder injury.

man wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

man wrote: if that was true, italy would have won
almost every world title.

It was regarding American football.

right, right. i always forget what the americans
call that game where somebody runs with a ball
in his hands ...

I understand

KBB wrote:

Lenny Cravats wrote:
So, you don't believe that man landed on the moon, or that CERN isn't a secret devil worshipping cult, but you believe that a claimed shoulder injury (which I don't believe he ever had, TBF) can be dismissed in light of a short video clip of him playing basketball? Interesting.

I don't believe he had a shoulder injury.

I think he probably did have an injury. But, he most likely exaggerated how bad it actually was.

punchoutsb wrote:I don't doubt Manny injured his shoulder; but it didn't make any difference in the fight in my opinion. Floyd is just better.

FWIW I tore my labrum about 8-9 months ago. I still can't lift my arm above parallel or internally rotate it pain free. Back in March I won my state's title and set the state record in the bench press. That range of motion is relatively pain free for me, but mostly it was the adrenaline of competition that got me through it. There are countless examples of fighters fighting through injuries and not showing signs of it right away. Heck I broke a few ribs once and didn't feel any pain (only shortness of breath) for three days. I had three good cracks and the doctor was surprised it took me that long to come in. And that local mma match was about as far from the hundred million dollar national scene as you can get. The fact that Manny threw punches without grimacing or raised his hand after the fight is not an indicator that the injury was faked to anyone with any knowledge of injuries in sports.

Ok, he may have had an injury which showed up post fight, but I don't believe it had any bearing on the fight.

ok. i am a manny fan. i saw a very close
fight that could have gone either way.
so i have no problem with floyd getting
the, while i was hoping manny could
edge it out.

but i really thought the handling of the
shoulder issue in the post presser, was
bad form and i still thought back then
the injury was something that would take
half a year at least to heal.

him being "healed" now by "god" and
"salt water" ... man, you really make it
hard for your followers to stick with you.

man wrote:ok. i am a manny fan. i saw a very close
fight that could have gone either way.
so i have no problem with floyd getting
the, while i was hoping manny could
edge it out.

but i really thought the handling of the
shoulder issue in the post presser, was
bad form and i still thought back then
the injury was something that would take
half a year at least to heal.

him being "healed" now by "god" and
"salt water" ... man, you really make it
hard for your followers to stick with you.

Why does it surprise you? He's always been a religious crackpot.

Ricky_ wrote:

man wrote:ok. i am a manny fan. i saw a very close
fight that could have gone either way.
so i have no problem with floyd getting
the, while i was hoping manny could
edge it out.

but i really thought the handling of the
shoulder issue in the post presser, was
bad form and i still thought back then
the injury was something that would take
half a year at least to heal.

him being "healed" now by "god" and
"salt water" ... man, you really make it
hard for your followers to stick with you.

Why does it surprise you? He's always been a religious crackpot.

And a massive liar.

If you did MRI's on all of the boxers that have been in the game 15+ years, I would be willing to bet all would have slight tears. If any injury affected Manny during the fight, we would have seen him say something about it in the corner, evidence during the fight, or some mention of it in the immediate post fight interview. Someone else put that in his mind between that interview and the post fight presser. So obvious it is laughable.

Badhusker wrote:If you did MRI's on all of the boxers that have been in the game 15+ years, I would be willing to bet all would have slight tears. If any injury affected Manny during the fight, we would have seen him say something about it in the corner, evidence during the fight, or some mention of it in the immediate post fight interview. Someone else put that in his mind between that interview and the post fight presser. So obvious it is laughable.

The fact that Manny never mentioned in his interview after the fight clinches it for me too.
If it was that big of a deal why did he wait to bring it up?
It just sounds fishy

tiny_acres wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If you did MRI's on all of the boxers that have been in the game 15+ years, I would be willing to bet all would have slight tears. If any injury affected Manny during the fight, we would have seen him say something about it in the corner, evidence during the fight, or some mention of it in the immediate post fight interview. Someone else put that in his mind between that interview and the post fight presser. So obvious it is laughable.

The fact that Manny never mentioned in his interview after the fight clinches it for me too.
If it was that big of a deal why did he wait to bring it up?
It just sounds fishy

Dudes in their thirties smell ripe after choreographed dance exhibitions.

Tanzio wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If you did MRI's on all of the boxers that have been in the game 15+ years, I would be willing to bet all would have slight tears. If any injury affected Manny during the fight, we would have seen him say something about it in the corner, evidence during the fight, or some mention of it in the immediate post fight interview. Someone else put that in his mind between that interview and the post fight presser. So obvious it is laughable.

The fact that Manny never mentioned in his interview after the fight clinches it for me too.
If it was that big of a deal why did he wait to bring it up?
It just sounds fishy

Dudes in their thirties smell ripe after choreographed dance exhibitions.

Fixed fight? I sincerely doubt it. Too much hate involved from both sides.

Interview with Manny's surgeon:

http://boxingsocialist.com/news/doctor- ... o-s-injury

Badhusker wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
The fact that Manny never mentioned in his interview after the fight clinches it for me too.
If it was that big of a deal why did he wait to bring it up?
It just sounds fishy

Dudes in their thirties smell ripe after choreographed dance exhibitions.

Fixed fight? I sincerely doubt it. Too much hate involved from both sides.

Hate? It was a love fest. The only thing they didn't do from the gitgo is French kiss right there in the ring

tiny_acres wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If you did MRI's on all of the boxers that have been in the game 15+ years, I would be willing to bet all would have slight tears. If any injury affected Manny during the fight, we would have seen him say something about it in the corner, evidence during the fight, or some mention of it in the immediate post fight interview. Someone else put that in his mind between that interview and the post fight presser. So obvious it is laughable.

The fact that Manny never mentioned in his interview after the fight clinches it for me too.
If it was that big of a deal why did he wait to bring it up?
It just sounds fishy

Manny is a lying sack of sh*t, it's just too bad his fans are too afraid to admit the truth about him, it wasn't a fixed fight. Manny was given that excuse by Arum somewhere midway through his part of the press conference, plus it was very unsportsmanlike and unprofessional for them (Manny, Roach and Arum) to get up and leave after they had their say but I suspect that was due to Floyd and his team arriving unprofessionally late<<<still two wrongs don't make a right.

Manny claiming that saltwater healed his tear is garbage, if he had a superficial cut then I would agree with him but the rotator cuff if on the inside and unless he somehow had surgery and this was part of his recovery therapy then I just can't see why anyone would believe him.

Why are Pacquiao fans afraid to call him on his lies and BS? Floyd fans can honestly say that outside of the ring Mayweather's antics in the past and his behavior is unexcusable and straight up uncalled for filth but Pacquiao fans are seemingly too biased to be critical of what they know has to be an outright lie.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:I don't think this is BS.
Modern medicine sucks.
Come to find out that a bunch of sports surgeries are 100% unnecessary.

Ocean water > Surgery

It's as genuine as a 20 quid rolex.

Hey I have one of those, Never even had to change the battery...

Impractical Poster wrote:With Manny's new improved shoulder, he should be able to win at least 4 rounds against Floyd.

Possibly...

Two of the three judges think he won 4 rounds anyway. Personally I had Manny winning 5 rounds (very clearly won rounds 4 and 6, quite clearly won rounds 3 and 10, edged round 2). That said, I think Floyd would win wider in a rematch - he had Manny figured out and was taking over towards the end of the fight. I don't think it would take him as long to take over in a rematch.

So who is lying? Manny or Freddie Roach?

Manny says he has not seen a doctor or anyone, and did all his own rehab. Roach recently said they sent a guy to the Philippines to work with Manny every day with rehab. Their whole injury story still isn't straight, even after the fact.

Badhusker wrote:So who is lying? Manny or Freddie Roach?

Manny says he has not seen a doctor or anyone, and did all his own rehab. Roach recently said they sent a guy to the Philippines to work with Manny every day with rehab. Their whole injury story still isn't straight, even after the fact.

Both.

They are full of shit.

I read on BS that the lawsuits from the fight are soon going to court, in California I believe. Manny and Top Rank are named in all of them, but Mayweather is in some of them too. I get the part of why people are pissed at Manny for not disclosing an "injury", but am pretty sure Mayweather will be cleared of any wrongdoing. Hope Team Pac has their stories all straight by now. I guess I would be a little pissed too if I bet the farm on Pac to win. Roach did say publicly shortly before the fight that Manny was still very much prime, and was faster and stronger than he has ever been.

Badhusker wrote:I read on BS that the lawsuits from the fight are soon going to court, in California I believe. Manny and Top Rank are named in all of them, but Mayweather is in some of them too. I get the part of why people are pissed at Manny for not disclosing an "injury", but am pretty sure Mayweather will be cleared of any wrongdoing. Hope Team Pac has their stories all straight by now. I guess I would be a little pissed too if I bet the farm on Pac to win. Roach did say publicly shortly before the fight that Manny was still very much prime, and was faster and stronger than he has ever been.

Yes Roach said that but we will always hear how Manny was old/pass it as an excuse for why he lost.

Like I said Manny is a lying sack of sh%t and a sore loser, I hope they burn his @$$ in court.

ikorolev wrote:Interview with Manny's surgeon:

http://boxingsocialist.com/news/doctor- ... o-s-injury

The most important sentences of the OP- ones no one responding has grasped the full implications of- are these:

"I NEVER saw a doctor. I NEVER did rehab."

Is Manny denying he even had any surgery? If so, then either he or the doctor ikorolev cited are lying, BUT SOMEONE IS LYING!!!! (and yes, they both could be liars).

There are several articles using that slant- that Manny is claiming his shoulder was healed by God and saltwater and NOTHING ELSE!

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Interview with Manny's surgeon:

http://boxingsocialist.com/news/doctor- ... o-s-injury

The most important sentences of the OP- ones no one responding has grasped the full implications of- are these:

"I NEVER saw a doctor. I NEVER did rehab."

Is Manny denying he even had any surgery? If so, then either he or the doctor ikorolev cited are lying, BUT SOMEONE IS LYING!!!! (and yes, they both could be liars).

There are several articles using that slant- that Manny is claiming his shoulder was healed by God and saltwater and NOTHING ELSE!

There is no "COULD BE" lying about it, they are flat out lying and I only hope all the people with lawsuits are reading and taking down everything that he says in the media so they can use it against him.

He could've had 3 shoulders in that fight and still would've lost.

Keep in mind this was a injury he's had since 2009.. just saying.

NateJR wrote:Keep in mind this was a injury he's had since 2009.. just saying.

Yes, which clearly implies that it's a complete load of cobblers concocted to recycle his reputation. If he's been fighting with it since 2009, it clearly wasn't hampering his performances much.

Didn't floyd say he'd heard about the injury before the fight from his spy's and usada knew of the injury 3/4 weeks earlier, he just didn't let the state commission know