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fox wrote:Of course he can put that weight on. Anyone can do it. But why starve yourself for years to fight at 69.85kgs just to go back up. I know $$ but I don't think you realise how hard it is to get to where he is now. He's campaigning at junior middle, Green would struggle to make light heavy. The weight is a huge difference. I hope it doesn't happen but it probably will. It won't matter who wins the loser will blame the weight difference. Guaranteed.

As you said, it will probably happen.

I've said many times here, Mundine has had to almost starve himself down to 154 pounds. I do appreciate how hard it was for him to get there.

Like a Boss wrote:

fox wrote:Of course he can put that weight on. Anyone can do it. But why starve yourself for years to fight at 69.85kgs just to go back up. I know $$ but I don't think you realise how hard it is to get to where he is now. He's campaigning at junior middle, Green would struggle to make light heavy. The weight is a huge difference. I hope it doesn't happen but it probably will. It won't matter who wins the loser will blame the weight difference. Guaranteed.

As you said, it will probably happen.

I've said many times here, Mundine has had to almost starve himself down to 154 pounds. I do appreciate how hard it was for him to get there.

Yeah cutting weight is one of the toughest things to do. Mundine was strong at Super middle and at least knocked some people out. But both of their best days are behind them. Mundine would need to have a fight or 2 at light heavy b4 fighting Green at that weight. Not much time left in their careers so that won't happen either.

A lot of presuming here that Danny can make 175. He fights at 187 ish now, last time he tried to lose 3 pounds he described himself as a starving ghost.
If weight is no problem to fighters than can anyone explain Dannyweight to me, and before you ask, i have been following boxing for 55 years.

DA GOOSE wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:I didn't need to bring up the weight he played football at. You did and we both know he played football bigger than he needs to be to fight Green

Mundine would only have to put on half a pound a week and anybody could do that. Weight isn't a huge hurdle. Just a convenient excuse for people to cling to

Isn't that the same excuse Greeny uses for losing in 2006? Starving dehydrated ghost . I don't think the fight will happen don't think Mundine can move up at 40.

His age is not a Factor. Boxers move up in weight as they age. This is natural. That was the whole thing him being the pioneer and getting world titles moving down in weight instead of up. He has physically been heavier than what the fight weight will be. Like it or not this is a factor. Yes he probably has more weight to gain than green has to loose but its easier to gain than loose weight. This fight could have happened year after year but mundine keeps dangling the carrot and then pulling it away. He is less of a draw than green is and green should give less of a sh+t than he does.

scottearley123456 wrote:

DA GOOSE wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:I didn't need to bring up the weight he played football at. You did and we both know he played football bigger than he needs to be to fight Green

Mundine would only have to put on half a pound a week and anybody could do that. Weight isn't a huge hurdle. Just a convenient excuse for people to cling to

Isn't that the same excuse Greeny uses for losing in 2006? Starving dehydrated ghost . I don't think the fight will happen don't think Mundine can move up at 40.

His age is not a Factor. Boxers move up in weight as they age. This is natural. That was the whole thing him being the pioneer and getting world titles moving down in weight instead of up. He has physically been heavier than what the fight weight will be. Like it or not this is a factor. Yes he probably has more weight to gain than green has to loose but its easier to gain than loose weight. This fight could have happened year after year but mundine keeps dangling the carrot and then pulling it away. He is less of a draw than green is and green should give less of a sh+t than he does.

I understand that you're saying it's easier for Mundine to put the weight on and stuff but its a huge difference to be fighting at junior middle than fighting at least at light heavy. Sure he can put it on but he hasn't fought at that weight where blokes are physically stronger, have a bigger whack then what he's been fighting at.

No it won't happen because Green will fight Troy Waters first to see how he goes with a jr middle

fox wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:

fox wrote:Of course he can put that weight on. Anyone can do it. But why starve yourself for years to fight at 69.85kgs just to go back up. I know $$ but I don't think you realise how hard it is to get to where he is now. He's campaigning at junior middle, Green would struggle to make light heavy. The weight is a huge difference. I hope it doesn't happen but it probably will. It won't matter who wins the loser will blame the weight difference. Guaranteed.

As you said, it will probably happen.

I've said many times here, Mundine has had to almost starve himself down to 154 pounds. I do appreciate how hard it was for him to get there.

Yeah cutting weight is one of the toughest things to do. Mundine was strong at Super middle and at least knocked some people out. But both of their best days are behind them. Mundine would need to have a fight or 2 at light heavy b4 fighting Green at that weight. Not much time left in their careers so that won't happen either.

I agree with all of that. But there seems to be a certain amount of inevitability about them meeting again despite the hurdles.

Yes I think they probably will meet again. But I don't think they should. As I said I think Green will struggle to make light heavy and Mundine has never fought there or just over super middle. Mundine boxed his ears off when they fought whether he was weakened or not. He called Mundine out for years at that weight.

I think we all agree they probably shouldn't. But that said most seem to think they will.

Coming up a few divisions has been done enough times by enough fighters to demonstrate it is very achievable.

Many have come down a few divisions too. Look no further than Sam Soliman as someone who has done it. Soliman fought at 174.5 pounds and along came the opportunity to fight Kevin Kelly for the Commonwealth super middleweight title.

What did Solomon do? Lost 23 pounds in two and a half months and fought at super middleweight.

Like a Boss wrote:I think we all agree they probably shouldn't. But that said most seem to think they will.

Coming up a few divisions has been done enough times by enough fighters to demonstrate it is very achievable.

Many have come down a few divisions too. Look no further than Sam Soliman as someone who has done it. Soliman fought at 174.5 pounds and along came the opportunity to fight Kevin Kelly for the Commonwealth super middleweight title.

What did Solomon do? Lost 23 pounds in two and a half months and fought at super middleweight.

Yeah but that's apples and oranges. Solomon is more a natural middle weight. Green is not going to lose a heap of weight and fight at super middle. He fought there and blamed that he was weight drained. He will struggle to make light heavy. As sure Mundine can put on weight and fight at light heavy. But that doesn't mean that will suit him.

fox wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:I think we all agree they probably shouldn't. But that said most seem to think they will.

Coming up a few divisions has been done enough times by enough fighters to demonstrate it is very achievable.

Many have come down a few divisions too. Look no further than Sam Soliman as someone who has done it. Soliman fought at 174.5 pounds and along came the opportunity to fight Kevin Kelly for the Commonwealth super middleweight title.

What did Solomon do? Lost 23 pounds in two and a half months and fought at super middleweight.

Yeah but that's apples and oranges. Solomon is more a natural middle weight. Green is not going to lose a heap of weight and fight at super middle. He fought there and blamed that he was weight drained. He will struggle to make light heavy. As sure Mundine can put on weight and fight at light heavy. But that doesn't mean that will suit him.

We can regurgitate the reasons why the fight might happen and the reasons it might not happen over and over again. But the bottom line is we agree the fight will probably happen anyway

I hope it doesn't happen as it will be a joke. There are plenty of other Oz boxers out there that people should be watching as opposed to two old guys well past their prime talking crap trying to get a payday..

At Greens age I don't think he will be able to lose enough weight to go any lower and still be able to fight. What did he come in at the last fight 180 odd?? How would he lose more weight and still keep his strength? Age does that to you, a person fills out naturally..

Mundine could come up but he knows he would be KO'd as he doesn't have the power (nor the jaw) and that is why he starves himself now to make the lower weight.

I couldn't see him being competitive at LHW as Green would be too strong, then again I can't see Green coming in any lower than he is now..

Really wish we had some current guys to talk about but given the state of our boxing this is as good as it gets..

Yeah agree with you both.

Mr Icaman wrote:I hope it doesn't happen as it will be a joke. There are plenty of other Oz boxers out there that people should be watching as opposed to two old guys well past their prime talking crap trying to get a payday..

At Greens age I don't think he will be able to lose enough weight to go any lower and still be able to fight. What did he come in at the last fight 180 odd?? How would he lose more weight and still keep his strength? Age does that to you, a person fills out naturally..

Mundine could come up but he knows he would be KO'd as he doesn't have the power (nor the jaw) and that is why he starves himself now to make the lower weight.

I couldn't see him being competitive at LHW as Green would be too strong, then again I can't see Green coming in any lower than he is now..

Really wish we had some current guys to talk about but given the state of our boxing this is as good as it gets..

Your last line sums Aussie boxing up at this time sadly. Green can't make LHW anymore I think he has bulked up too much.

Really wish we had some current guys to talk about but given the state of our boxing this is as good as it gets?


sorry but that's just not true. u maybe just choose to only be interested in these two.

there's nothing stopping u from talking about our other upcoming fighters.

buster007 wrote:Really wish we had some current guys to talk about but given the state of our boxing this is as good as it gets?


sorry but that's just not true. u maybe just choose to only be interested in these two.

there's nothing stopping u from talking about our other upcoming fighters.

Maybe here but in the general public (and more importantly the media) this is all they seem to be interested in...

Like a Boss wrote:I think we all agree they probably shouldn't. But that said most seem to think they will.

Coming up a few divisions has been done enough times by enough fighters to demonstrate it is very achievable.

Many have come down a few divisions too. Look no further than Sam Soliman as someone who has done it. Soliman fought at 174.5 pounds and along came the opportunity to fight Kevin Kelly for the Commonwealth super middleweight title.

What did Solomon do? Lost 23 pounds in two and a half months and fought at super middleweight.

What else has he done [Soloman] sand in the pocket's my friend I seen it

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:I think we all agree they probably shouldn't. But that said most seem to think they will.

Coming up a few divisions has been done enough times by enough fighters to demonstrate it is very achievable.

Many have come down a few divisions too. Look no further than Sam Soliman as someone who has done it. Soliman fought at 174.5 pounds and along came the opportunity to fight Kevin Kelly for the Commonwealth super middleweight title.

What did Solomon do? Lost 23 pounds in two and a half months and fought at super middleweight.

What else has he done [Soloman] sand in the pocket's my friend I seen it

Soloman LOST 23 pounds. You don't do that by putting sand in your pockets.

Mr Icaman wrote:

buster007 wrote:Really wish we had some current guys to talk about but given the state of our boxing this is as good as it gets?


sorry but that's just not true. u maybe just choose to only be interested in these two.

there's nothing stopping u from talking about our other upcoming fighters.

Maybe here but in the general public (and more importantly the media) this is all they seem to be interested in...

The first Mundine vs Green fight was huge and the biggest money fight here ever. The media write what they think people will pay for and they know Mundine/Green sells.

I paid $500 to be outer ringside for their first clash plus plane tickets and accomodation. I wouldn't pay $5 for their next fight.

I can confirm that Danny Greeny can make 175. He fights at his catchweight/185 so that he can continue his crusade of fooling the "casual fans" of the sport that he is one of the elite at cruiser. Anyone with a brain knows that it is simply not the case and he continues to bring smaller fighters up to his "catchweight" to impress his casual fans.

fox wrote:I paid $500 to be outer ringside for their first clash plus plane tickets and accomodation. I wouldn't pay $5 for their next fight.

I will be watching the sequel from the charge-free convenience and comfort of a local pub.

Francis75 wrote:I can confirm that Danny Greeny can make 175. He fights at his catchweight/185 so that he can continue his crusade of fooling the "casual fans" of the sport that he is one of the elite at cruiser. Anyone with a brain knows that it is simply not the case and he continues to bring smaller fighters up to his "catchweight" to impress his casual fans.

No he can't. IMO he was on roids after Briggs that's why despite it being IBO rules that all championship fights have drug testing there was no drug testing for Green v Tarver.

http://www.iboboxing.com/world_rules_regulations.html



DRUGS AND STIMULANTS:



1. The administration or use of drugs, injections or stimulants, either before or during a match, to any boxer or by any boxer, is prohibited. This includes smelling salts, ammonia capsules or similar irritants.



2. The local Commission shall order anti-doping examinations immediately before or after the contest. The urine sample shall be supplied in the presence of a member of the local Commission, the Commission physician or his appointee and representative of the boxer.



https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport ... ouncement/

At the press conference today Green said it was possible Tarver "dodged a bullet" as neither man was drug-tested at their fight in Sydney in July, 2011, and he had felt the American's sudden and dramatic weight loss prior to that bout was unusual.



"Who knows? We had photos and he was next to the front-rowers of the NSW State of Origin (rugby league) team ... and he dwarfed them," Green said.



"The disparity in weight was plain to see, and the fact eight weeks later he made the weight and maintained strength throughout the fight ... who knows? He wasn't tested.

It would also explain Greens verbal abuse of hospital staff where the police had to be called ''roid rage''. Though he may be off roids now.

DA GOOSE wrote:



It would also explain Greens verbal abuse of hospital staff where the police had to be called ''roid rage''. Though he may be off roids now.

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Really ? What happened here mate ?

Francis75 wrote:

DA GOOSE wrote:



It would also explain Greens verbal abuse of hospital staff where the police had to be called ''roid rage''. Though he may be off roids now.

Really ? What happened here mate ?[/quote]
He abused hard working nurses when they refused him morphein. Disgraceful stuff

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/po ... 5984390263