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Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 17:16
by digzee
Ricky_ wrote:digzee wrote:Has Floyd or anyone from his team (not including KBB) said anything? Surely if it was something legal or innocent he would be in the media about it everywhere.
Yes he made some vague statement about how he did noting wrong, prides himself of being clean, pushes testing in the sport and that's why he uses the "gold standard in testing" th USADA

Well I guess that clears everything up then in that statement, he does have a way with words like a modern day Shakespeare.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 17:27
by Ricky_
digzee wrote:Ricky_ wrote:digzee wrote:Has Floyd or anyone from his team (not including KBB) said anything? Surely if it was something legal or innocent he would be in the media about it everywhere.
Yes he made some vague statement about how he did noting wrong, prides himself of being clean, pushes testing in the sport and that's why he uses the "gold standard in testing" th USADA

Well I guess that clears everything up then in that statement, he does have a way with words like a modern day Shakespeare.

he should have read the statement out with some goofed out member of his entourage (probably Brut) shouting TBE repeatedly in the background in a TMT flat cap.
I presume Floyd is going to try and forget about this with him having a fight in about 30 hours but afterwards he needs to answer some serious questions such as:
* Did you know you were injecting 14 TIMES the allowed limit of IV fluid?
* You applied for exemption well after the fight, did you gamble with the IV believing you would get an exemption, or did you
know it would be granted?
* If the USADA hadn't "found evidence of an IV drip having been used" would you have even reported the fact you took an IV and 14 times the legal limit?
* Why did you need an IV drip when you consistently brag about being comfy at the weight, eating burgers etc?
* Why were you so badly dehydrated to the point of needing a special exemption when you were only 3lb over the limit 30-days prior to the weigh-in? Was it that tough to lose 3 pounds?
* Have you sat in your house and pumped yourself full of IV cocktails before and not reported it?
* Are you aware only the NSAC can pass Exemptions, not the USADA?
* How many 'A' samples have you failed since testing with USADA?
* Why are your testosterone ratios abnormally low?
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 19:09
by Freedom2013
How long has this been going on?
Floyd Mayweather's entire career is questionable.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 20:13
by Badhusker
For those of you that don't know, the USADA follows the VADA standards, and there was not any banned substances in the IV, only fluids and vitamins. An application for a TUE (Therapuic use exemption) can be allowed retroactively for emergency treatment on the recommendation of a doctor, when there isn't sufficient time for the application, and other exceptional circumstances.
Obviously the USADA was aware of his using the IV to rehydrate, and realized that there was not time for a TUE application after the weigh in. Floyd should have applied before if he thought he needed it, but the fact is it was approved, and contained nothing illegal.
You can look up the USADA rules if you have the ambition to do so. If Floyd was juicing it would have shown up on one of his many urine and blood tests that he did. DLH used an IV for rehydration before the Pacquiao fight, but no one cared.
Anyway, have fun blowing it out of proportion and say he did something illegal even though what he did was totally legal.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 20:15
by punchoutsb
Badhusker wrote:If Floyd was juicing it would have shown up on one of his many urine and blood tests that he did.
This is very naive.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 20:30
by Pureist
Why has it taken so long for this info to be disclosed firstly, how has usada given him a pass when that is up to Nevada commission to do so, how was the clearance given before the commission even knew about the iv being used, very dirty
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 20:31
by Badhusker
punchoutsb wrote:Badhusker wrote:If Floyd was juicing it would have shown up on one of his many urine and blood tests that he did.
This is very naive.
I can see if you think it is naive if you believe testing is totally useless, all boxers juice, and peds should be legal. It is naive to think that allowing a free for all on peds will make everything ok.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 20:31
by Ricky_
Badhusker wrote:
Anyway, have fun blowing it out of proportion and say he did something illegal even though what he did was totally legal.
Wtf you talking about dumbass?
He injected 750ml of saline sitting in his damn livingroom. The legal limit is 50ml. He's 14x over the legal limit.
It's what Armstrong got busted doing.
If Floyd was an olympic athlete he'd be looking a ban of years.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 20:38
by Pureist
And wada sets the rules, not vada husker, it's illegal under wada rules, there the benchmark for the world Olympic testing, he can have usada in his pocket but wada is the body he has to worry about,
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 20:55
by punchoutsb
Badhusker wrote:punchoutsb wrote:Badhusker wrote:If Floyd was juicing it would have shown up on one of his many urine and blood tests that he did.
This is very naive.
I can see if you think it is naive if you believe testing is totally useless, all boxers juice, and peds should be legal. It is naive to think that allowing a free for all on peds will make everything ok.
It is naive to think the testing protocols used in sports will catch every juicer. Very naive.
Thinking PED's should be legal is being well informed, the opposite of naive.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 21:01
by Joe Corona
Freedom2013 wrote:How long has this been going on?
Floyd Mayweather's entire career is questionable.
To be honest, I question every modern boxer and pretty much athlete.
It is just laughable when you sit back - for a hundred years 30 and above was getting on for a fighter, now they are at their physical best heading towards 40.
The whole thing is a joke. Floyd has them in his pocket - what and how much he has done will never be known.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 21:34
by FloydtheDuck
He's flunked 3 tests.
Yet follow up samples are shown to be clean
Sounds like carbon clone of how Armstrong got away with it
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 21:37
by IKSRTFO
Badhusker wrote:For those of you that don't know, the USADA follows the VADA standards, and there was not any banned substances in the IV, only fluids and vitamins. An application for a TUE (Therapuic use exemption) can be allowed retroactively for emergency treatment on the recommendation of a doctor, when there isn't sufficient time for the application, and other exceptional circumstances.
Obviously the USADA was aware of his using the IV to rehydrate, and realized that there was not time for a TUE application after the weigh in. Floyd should have applied before if he thought he needed it, but the fact is it was approved, and contained nothing illegal.
You can look up the USADA rules if you have the ambition to do so. If Floyd was juicing it would have shown up on one of his many urine and blood tests that he did. DLH used an IV for rehydration before the Pacquiao fight, but no one cared.
Anyway, have fun blowing it out of proportion and say he did something illegal even though what he did was totally legal.
DLH was obviously a zombie as Floyd fans love to point out and really needed to be rehydrated to a point where the IVs didn't matter at all. And wasn't you saying Pacquiao was juicing even though it NEVER showed up in his many urine and blood tests?
The question remains.....why would Floyd, who walks around at his fight weight, and will consume hamburgers and mountain dew in training, need to be rehydrated???????????????????
Not one Floyd defender has even given me a BS answer to that.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 21:39
by Ricky_
FloydtheDuck wrote:He's flunked 3 tests.
Yet follow up samples are shown to be clean
Sounds like carbon clone of how Armstrong got away with it
Therr's are article in the ny times about how LA got away with it for so long. 1 method was having a doctor smuggle saline and administer it if Armstrong had a test to take via iv drip, which would the bring his levels down.
The more you look into this it stinks....
Floyd weighed 150lb 30 days before the fight. Was the saline drip really for rehydration? Is the drip related to his abnormal testosterone ratios?
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 22:01
by koolkc107
IKSRTFO wrote:Badhusker wrote:For those of you that don't know, the USADA follows the VADA standards, and there was not any banned substances in the IV, only fluids and vitamins. An application for a TUE (Therapuic use exemption) can be allowed retroactively for emergency treatment on the recommendation of a doctor, when there isn't sufficient time for the application, and other exceptional circumstances.
Obviously the USADA was aware of his using the IV to rehydrate, and realized that there was not time for a TUE application after the weigh in. Floyd should have applied before if he thought he needed it, but the fact is it was approved, and contained nothing illegal.
You can look up the USADA rules if you have the ambition to do so. If Floyd was juicing it would have shown up on one of his many urine and blood tests that he did. DLH used an IV for rehydration before the Pacquiao fight, but no one cared.
Anyway, have fun blowing it out of proportion and say he did something illegal even though what he did was totally legal.
DLH was obviously a zombie as Floyd fans love to point out and really needed to be rehydrated to a point where the IVs didn't matter at all. And wasn't you saying Pacquiao was juicing even though it NEVER showed up in his many urine and blood tests?
The question remains.....why would Floyd, who walks around at his fight weight, and will consume hamburgers and mountain dew in training, need to be rehydrated???????????????????
Not one Floyd defender has even given me a BS answer to that.
I guess they are like me, and were giving you the benefit of the doubt that you might figure it out for yourself before anyone gave you the very simple answer to your question.
Rehydration doesn't have to have anything at all to do with making weight.
Folks get dehydrated all the time without it being connected to any weight loss.
And it is especially easy to get dehydrated if you work out a lot and don't hydrate properly during the works.
Do you know anyone notorious for working harder than anyone else in the gym?
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 22:52
by IKSRTFO
koolkc107 wrote:IKSRTFO wrote:Badhusker wrote:For those of you that don't know, the USADA follows the VADA standards, and there was not any banned substances in the IV, only fluids and vitamins. An application for a TUE (Therapuic use exemption) can be allowed retroactively for emergency treatment on the recommendation of a doctor, when there isn't sufficient time for the application, and other exceptional circumstances.
Obviously the USADA was aware of his using the IV to rehydrate, and realized that there was not time for a TUE application after the weigh in. Floyd should have applied before if he thought he needed it, but the fact is it was approved, and contained nothing illegal.
You can look up the USADA rules if you have the ambition to do so. If Floyd was juicing it would have shown up on one of his many urine and blood tests that he did. DLH used an IV for rehydration before the Pacquiao fight, but no one cared.
Anyway, have fun blowing it out of proportion and say he did something illegal even though what he did was totally legal.
DLH was obviously a zombie as Floyd fans love to point out and really needed to be rehydrated to a point where the IVs didn't matter at all. And wasn't you saying Pacquiao was juicing even though it NEVER showed up in his many urine and blood tests?
The question remains.....why would Floyd, who walks around at his fight weight, and will consume hamburgers and mountain dew in training, need to be rehydrated???????????????????
Not one Floyd defender has even given me a BS answer to that.
BS answer but a least someone answered it.
I guess they are like me, and were giving you the benefit of the doubt that you might figure it out for yourself before anyone gave you the very simple answer to your question.
Rehydration doesn't have to have anything at all to do with making weight.
Folks get dehydrated all the time without it being connected to any weight loss.
And it is especially easy to get dehydrated if you work out a lot and don't hydrate properly during the works.
Do you know anyone notorious for working harder than anyone else in the gym?
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 03:26
by Pureist
koolkc107 wrote:IKSRTFO wrote:Badhusker wrote:For those of you that don't know, the USADA follows the VADA standards, and there was not any banned substances in the IV, only fluids and vitamins. An application for a TUE (Therapuic use exemption) can be allowed retroactively for emergency treatment on the recommendation of a doctor, when there isn't sufficient time for the application, and other exceptional circumstances.
Obviously the USADA was aware of his using the IV to rehydrate, and realized that there was not time for a TUE application after the weigh in. Floyd should have applied before if he thought he needed it, but the fact is it was approved, and contained nothing illegal.
You can look up the USADA rules if you have the ambition to do so. If Floyd was juicing it would have shown up on one of his many urine and blood tests that he did. DLH used an IV for rehydration before the Pacquiao fight, but no one cared.
Anyway, have fun blowing it out of proportion and say he did something illegal even though what he did was totally legal.
DLH was obviously a zombie as Floyd fans love to point out and really needed to be rehydrated to a point where the IVs didn't matter at all. And wasn't you saying Pacquiao was juicing even though it NEVER showed up in his many urine and blood tests?
The question remains.....why would Floyd, who walks around at his fight weight, and will consume hamburgers and mountain dew in training, need to be rehydrated???????????????????
Not one Floyd defender has even given me a BS answer to that.
I guess they are like me, and were giving you the benefit of the doubt that you might figure it out for yourself before anyone gave you the very simple answer to your question.
Rehydration doesn't have to have anything at all to do with making weight.
Folks get dehydrated all the time without it being connected to any weight loss.
And it is especially easy to get dehydrated if you work out a lot and don't hydrate properly during the works.
Do you know anyone notorious for working harder than anyone else in the gym?
So kooly, your saying floyd, a pro boxer for 19 years and a standout in his era, with trainers around him who watch every move he makes, got himself that dehydrated from training that it was considered a medical emergency, he just forgot to drink any fluids for a day or so, the only way to get a TUE is if it's a medical emergency via the ruling, or can't you accept floyd is a dirty cheat
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 03:30
by Ezzard
Joe Corona wrote:Freedom2013 wrote:How long has this been going on?
Floyd Mayweather's entire career is questionable.
To be honest, I question every modern boxer and pretty much athlete.
It is just laughable when you sit back - for a hundred years 30 and above was getting on for a fighter, now they are at their physical best heading towards 40.
The whole thing is a joke. Floyd has them in his pocket - what and how much he has done will never be known.
agree
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 05:09
by Ricky_
koolkc107 wrote:IKSRTFO wrote:Badhusker wrote:For those of you that don't know, the USADA follows the VADA standards, and there was not any banned substances in the IV, only fluids and vitamins. An application for a TUE (Therapuic use exemption) can be allowed retroactively for emergency treatment on the recommendation of a doctor, when there isn't sufficient time for the application, and other exceptional circumstances.
Obviously the USADA was aware of his using the IV to rehydrate, and realized that there was not time for a TUE application after the weigh in. Floyd should have applied before if he thought he needed it, but the fact is it was approved, and contained nothing illegal.
You can look up the USADA rules if you have the ambition to do so. If Floyd was juicing it would have shown up on one of his many urine and blood tests that he did. DLH used an IV for rehydration before the Pacquiao fight, but no one cared.
Anyway, have fun blowing it out of proportion and say he did something illegal even though what he did was totally legal.
DLH was obviously a zombie as Floyd fans love to point out and really needed to be rehydrated to a point where the IVs didn't matter at all. And wasn't you saying Pacquiao was juicing even though it NEVER showed up in his many urine and blood tests?
The question remains.....why would Floyd, who walks around at his fight weight, and will consume hamburgers and mountain dew in training, need to be rehydrated???????????????????
Not one Floyd defender has even given me a BS answer to that.
I guess they are like me, and were giving you the benefit of the doubt that you might figure it out for yourself before anyone gave you the very simple answer to your question.
Rehydration doesn't have to have anything at all to do with making weight.
Folks get dehydrated all the time without it being connected to any weight loss.
And it is especially easy to get dehydrated if you work out a lot and don't hydrate properly during the works.
Do you know anyone notorious for working harder than anyone else in the gym?
1. He would have to have known in advance (in which case, just drink fluids).
2. Read the conditions needed for a TUE. Seems pretty clear cut you need to be having surgery or something to get a TUE.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 06:59
by caldo2025
[quote="Ricky_"]
*Is it just a coincidence that you purposely wait until 3 weeks before fight fight to sign the contract so that the drugs are completely flushed from your system?
*Do you think it's unethical for a sample to have this kind of relationship with the "independent" drug testing organization?
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 07:42
by Badhusker
If it wasn't for Floyd demanding random testing, not even this IV issue would have came up. Like it or not, it will end up as a non issue.
A huge majority of the ones crying the loudest are the same ones that defended Manny at all costs, saying he has not tested dirty so he is totally clean. Isn't giving Floyd the same benefit of the doubt fair, or do you want to remain hypocritical?
If Floyd refused random testing I would say he is dirty.
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 08:19
by uptconnect
This is a new and very exciting development!

Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 08:32
by Pureist
What don't you understand husker, floyd has been caught out, usada has issued a TUE that isn't valid, they didn't have the authority to issue it, floyd had an IV that delivered 14 times the legal amount, they both signed up for WADA testing, usada are only the collection agency at the end of the day, an IV is only allowed in a medical emergency, floyd sitting on his couch doesn't qualify, the rules have been broken by floyd, lance Armstrong was always claiming to be a hero for clean cycling, floyd must have gone to lances school of dodgy testing
Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 08:36
by Datsue
punchoutsb wrote:Interesting.
I've always felt that all top athletes use drugs, and I have no problem with it. I'll wait to hear more information on this one.
I see one of Floyd's jock sniffers is already here, let's wait for the other three to see how this is actually nothing but MANNY'S SHULDER OMZG!1!!11/1!
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Re: Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight
Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 08:50
by Ricky_
Badhusker wrote:If it wasn't for Floyd demanding random testing, not even this IV issue would have came up. Like it or not, it will end up as a non issue.
A huge majority of the ones crying the loudest are the same ones that defended Manny at all costs, saying he has not tested dirty so he is totally clean. Isn't giving Floyd the same benefit of the doubt fair, or do you want to remain hypocritical?
If Floyd refused random testing I would say he is dirty.
Huh?
Again, wtf are you talking about!? What exactly are we giving Pacquiao the
benefit of the doubt for? The guy has had about 60 fights, never failed a test, never been involved in a scandal in terms of skipping one.
The PED evidence against him amounts to "Floyd & Malignaggi said he's probably on something".
So what exactly is the "benefit of the doubt"!? What fornicating
doubt!?
As for Floyd why should he get the "benefit of the doubt"? The self proclaimed savour, sent from the heavens to clean the sport, yet he's been busted sitting in his damn house, hours before a fight, hooked up to a IV drip containing 14x the legal limit of IV Saline cocktails. Oh and he employed a known olympic drug cheat as a nutritionist.
He broke the WADA rules.
FACT. Now we just sit and wait for a detailed explanation as to why he was given an invalid exemption for breaking such rules.