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Controversial wrote:

littlepug wrote:A couple of lads that were fed to the wolves, Jung-jae lee went 0-3 his 2nd fight was for the IBF title at light fly against Kittikasem and his 3rd against Gerry penalosa. Muhammad Alfaridzi went 2-4 his début was for the Indonesian featherweight title against 11-0 Chris John, he knocked John down twice in the 1st and broke his nose before losing in the 12th, his 2nd was for the WBF superbantam strap against a guy 16-1, he slipped into a coma after his 6th fight and died 3 days later.

The trouble with a lot of asian fighters is their records aren't always easy to verify or compile. I may be wrong but I doubt Alfaridzi was a debutant against Chris John in a 12 round title fight. More likely that his record is just incomplete.

Yeah your probably right

I remember the same when Ricardo Torres first blasted onto the scene in that wild fight with Cotto. His record looked liked he's spent his entire career fighting debutants in Barranquilla.

Whatever happened to him anyway? He had that bizarre rematch with Holt where he was knocked out by a headbutt/right hand combo and that was it?

Kittikasem had a pretty interesting career. I think he was a former Muay Thai boxer and won his first world title in his 7th fight. Then is brought over to the states to fight Carbajal and puts up a gritty display before getting stopped. Then goes up in weight and bangs out Chitalada (who himself won his world title in his 8th fight after failing in his first try in his 5th fight) and then has the crazy fight with Chang and wins then bangs out Chitalada again and then gets banged out by Arbachakov twice.

Carbajal beat future champ Grigsby in his pro debut and finished his career beating Arce - Can't be too many boxers that have done that, book-ended their career?

Indonesian records are NOTORIOUSLY incomplete. Hard to say how many of them have full records but looking at "on screen graphics" when they fight in Japan I suspect boxrec may have about 25% of the Indonesian bouts recorded.

Korean records are a world unto their own, especially in recent times. "ye olden days" Korean records, such as the guy who fought Penalosa, is likely to be complete in fairness, however anything from 2013 onwards is a mystery as the Korean scene split in about 5 different ways. Boxrec currently only include KBC (Korean boxing Commission) bouts and any for an internationally regarded title (as a result they are missing bouts with Korean's like Ye Joon Kim, Dan Bi Kim and Su Yun Hong as well as visiting fighters like Mohamadreza Hamze and Ernie Sanchez).

At the moment boxrec have made their stance on the matter known and will not include results from shows under the sanction of the KBF (Korean Boxing Federation), the KPBF (Korean Professional Boxing Federation), the KBA (Korean Boxing Association) and apparently another KBA. That means they have about 1/3 of all Korean bouts since the old KBC split up a few years ago.

They are missing numerous Thai fights too, though they seem to be due to a number of issues, such as names and name changes of the Thai's as well as the obscurity of many of the fights. However some Thai really do have the careers they are listed with (Muangsurin, Chitlada, Kitikasem, Knockout CP Freshmart for example).

China seems to be a bit of a strange one as it seems some of their records are incomplete, including Zhang Junlong, who is missing something like 10 wins (all stoppage) from his record, though it also seems like a lot are complete and it may again come from a sanctioning issue with some fights being fought without the sanctioning body being recognised.


In fact if you read the boxrec encyclopedia entry for John Vs Alfaridzi (http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Chris ... _Alfaridzi) it states-
"Alraridzi felt that he had to get back on track as fast as he could, after losing the Indonesian featherweight title to Sundava in early 1999." For that alone he must have had at least a 1-1 record prior to facing John...

...in fact the on screen graphic for that fight (which can be seen here http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x34n66p) suggests that he was 8-1 (5)

Interesting cheers

Manny Melchor 38-35-6 and had one win in his first 9 fights ended up winning the IBF strawwieght title

http://boxrec.com/boxer/667

In a nine month period fought these men consecutively...
Vinny Pazienza
Anthony Jones
Harry Arroyo
Edwin Rosario
Jose Luis Ramirez
James McGirt

Then followed that with...
Tracey Spann
Harry Arroyo
Frankie Randall

wsbuf wrote:http://editors.boxrec.com/list_bouts.ph ... &cat=boxer

In a nine month period fought these men consecutively...
Vinny Pazienza
Anthony Jones
Harry Arroyo
Edwin Rosario
Jose Luis Ramirez
James McGirt

Then followed that with...
Tracey Spann
Harry Arroyo
Frankie Randall

I think you hypered the wrong or protected link.....

Controversial wrote:

littlepug wrote:A couple of lads that were fed to the wolves, Jung-jae lee went 0-3 his 2nd fight was for the IBF title at light fly against Kittikasem and his 3rd against Gerry penalosa. Muhammad Alfaridzi went 2-4 his début was for the Indonesian featherweight title against 11-0 Chris John, he knocked John down twice in the 1st and broke his nose before losing in the 12th, his 2nd was for the WBF superbantam strap against a guy 16-1, he slipped into a coma after his 6th fight and died 3 days later.

The trouble with a lot of asian fighters is their records aren't always easy to verify or compile. I may be wrong but I doubt Alfaridzi was a debutant against Chris John in a 12 round title fight. More likely that his record is just incomplete.

found something similar with former british flyweight champ shinny bayaar, he had a 10 round draw on his debut and his 2nd fight was a 12 round points loss against many melchor for an international title, he based himself in uk after that tough start

BoxBuzz wrote:

wsbuf wrote:http://editors.boxrec.com/list_bouts.ph ... &cat=boxer

In a nine month period fought these men consecutively...
Vinny Pazienza
Anthony Jones
Harry Arroyo
Edwin Rosario
Jose Luis Ramirez
James McGirt

Then followed that with...
Tracey Spann
Harry Arroyo
Frankie Randall

I think you hypered the wrong or protected link.....

http://boxrec.com/boxer/667 Roger Brown

http://boxrec.com/boxer/1415

clinton mitchel

found something similar with former british flyweight champ shinny bayaar, he had a 10 round draw on his debut and his 2nd fight was a 12 round points loss against many melchor for an international title, he based himself in uk after that tough start

Bayaar is a good call.....looks as if he now runs his own gym!

John 'Buster' Keeton also has a real school of hard knocks record and it seems he got matched very hard throughout and was a fair bit below championship class, often getting stopped as well. Bruce Scott, Mark Hobson and Terry Dunstan really seemed to like fighting him.

But once in a while he had this real knack of pulling off some fairly big upsets and really raining on someone's parade.
He took Kelly Oliver's 'O' and beat Garry Delaney and then latish in his career finally won the Lonsdale with a 7 round TKO.

There was a while when Keeton seemed to be always fighting....prpbably why I remember him even now.

orbtastic wrote:I remember the same when Ricardo Torres first blasted onto the scene in that wild fight with Cotto. His record looked liked he's spent his entire career fighting debutants in Barranquilla.

Whatever happened to him anyway? He had that bizarre rematch with Holt where he was knocked out by a headbutt/right hand combo and that was it?

Kittikasem had a pretty interesting career. I think he was a former Muay Thai boxer and won his first world title in his 7th fight. Then is brought over to the states to fight Carbajal and puts up a gritty display before getting stopped. Then goes up in weight and bangs out Chitalada (who himself won his world title in his 8th fight after failing in his first try in his 5th fight) and then has the crazy fight with Chang and wins then bangs out Chitalada again and then gets banged out by Arbachakov twice.

Carbajal beat future champ Grigsby in his pro debut and finished his career beating Arce - Can't be too many boxers that have done that, book-ended their career?

not quite in the same league but levi billups started his 44 fight career with a loss to orlin norris and ended with a loss to joe bugner which looks a little weird !

One of my personal favorites has always been that Tony Mundine won the Australian heavyweight title in 1972 via KO at 164 pounds, giving away 46 pounds to his opponent, and then less than two months later scored a KO to win the Commonwealth middleweight title.

kirk morris 7-10-1 won his debut and lost his last fight against the same opponent, baby jake matlala.

Couple of guys matched tough here Danny Juma 2-12-1 , his opponents Robin Reid x2, Adrian Dodson, Paul Jones, Cornelius Carr x 2, Nicky Piper, Clinton Woods, Mark Baker and Ole Klemetsen
He even got a draw against Reid, so that shows his toughness.

I still think one of the great modern guys for facing a tough crowd is Sanderline Williams 24-15-1, only ever stopped once (maybe on a cut i think), but he faced Lindell Holmes, Herol Graham, Iran Barkley, Frank Tate, Don Lee, Merqui Sosa, Reggie Johnson, James Toney x 2, Gerald McClellan, Lonnie Beasley and Joe Lipsey.

Old bones Ian wrote:Couple of guys matched tough here Danny Juma 2-12-1 , his opponents Robin Reid x2, Adrian Dodson, Paul Jones, Cornelius Carr x 2, Nicky Piper, Clinton Woods, Mark Baker and Ole Klemetsen
He even got a draw against Reid, so that shows his toughness.

I still think one of the great modern guys for facing a tough crowd is Sanderline Williams 24-15-1, only ever stopped once (maybe on a cut i think), but he faced Lindell Holmes, Herol Graham, Iran Barkley, Frank Tate, Don Lee, Merqui Sosa, Reggie Johnson, James Toney x 2, Gerald McClellan, Lonnie Beasley and Joe Lipsey.

Also fought Nigel Benn

littlepug wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:Couple of guys matched tough here Danny Juma 2-12-1 , his opponents Robin Reid x2, Adrian Dodson, Paul Jones, Cornelius Carr x 2, Nicky Piper, Clinton Woods, Mark Baker and Ole Klemetsen
He even got a draw against Reid, so that shows his toughness.

I still think one of the great modern guys for facing a tough crowd is Sanderline Williams 24-15-1, only ever stopped once (maybe on a cut i think), but he faced Lindell Holmes, Herol Graham, Iran Barkley, Frank Tate, Don Lee, Merqui Sosa, Reggie Johnson, James Toney x 2, Gerald McClellan, Lonnie Beasley and Joe Lipsey.

Also fought Nigel Benn

Haha Benn is the reason i know Williams record, but forgot to add him

Couple of guys matched tough here Danny Juma 2-12-1 , his opponents Robin Reid x2, Adrian Dodson, Paul Jones, Cornelius Carr x 2, Nicky Piper, Clinton Woods, Mark Baker and Ole Klemetsen
He even got a draw against Reid, so that shows his toughness.

Yup, that's earning your money the hard way...especially as Piper and Klemetsen could whack a fair bit.
David Starie is on his record just for good measure as well....David never quite made it, but hit plenty hard as well.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Found this record on boxrec, is it the guy that fell to earth from the edge of space?

Old bones Ian wrote:http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Found this record on boxrec, is it the guy that fell to earth from the edge of space?

Think you've linked to the wrong person, Felix Baumgartner DID INDEED have a professional fight :)

U.S lightheavy David Vedder went 23(3) 25(3) 5 and fought most of the tough nuts from the 80s/90s and early 2000s, when he was 12-8-3 he lost a decision for Virgil hills WBA lightheavy strap, don't know who was managing him but he deserves a pat on the back because 4 fights later at 15-10-3 he got 3 consecutive world title shots which he lost by decision, 1st was Jeff hardings WBC LH then Anaclet Wamba WBA cruiser then Henry Maske IBF LH, tough guy.