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koolkc107 wrote:To sum up once more:

1) IVs were not illegal according to NSAC and have been used routinely in Vegas fights for decades.
2) NSAC, not WADA or USADA, was the sanctioning authority in this fight.
3) USADA was hired to do testing and, in the case of conflict, the contract superceded WADA protocols.
4) The contract allowed TUEs and retroactive TUEs, and allowed notification after TUE approval.
5) No advantage was gained by the IV, it was rehydration done in the presence of USADA and independent medical personnel.
6) No masking of PEDs was possible since CIR testing done before and after the IV came back negative.
7) The CIR testing also blows any speculation about T:E ratios out the water since synthetic testosterone would be detected.

Now, if any of you have a credible argument against these points, I'd be glad to hear them

What a bunch of bull !

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:To sum up once more:

1) IVs were not illegal according to NSAC and have been used routinely in Vegas fights for decades.
2) NSAC, not WADA or USADA, was the sanctioning authority in this fight.
3) USADA was hired to do testing and, in the case of conflict, the contract superceded WADA protocols.
4) The contract allowed TUEs and retroactive TUEs, and allowed notification after TUE approval.
5) No advantage was gained by the IV, it was rehydration done in the presence of USADA and independent medical personnel.
6) No masking of PEDs was possible since CIR testing done before and after the IV came back negative.
7) The CIR testing also blows any speculation about T:E ratios out the water since synthetic testosterone would be detected.

Now, if any of you have a credible argument against these points, I'd be glad to hear them

What a bunch of bull !

Total desperation by a schizophrenic, multi-account fan boy.

koolkc107 wrote:

Pureist wrote:you know the contract is in the sb article kooli, it also says that they agreed to follow WADA methods list which means floyd broke the rules twice, you obviously have a compromised opinion

He did not have to strictly follow the WADA methods list.

Paragraph 30 of the very contract you mention made sure of that.

The irony is that he may have anyway.

WADA allows TUEs. And there was a DCO (A USADA and therefore WADA agent) right there.

Before any IV that DCO was asked verbally for the TUE and it was granted.

Yeah, it is kinda bullcrap the paperwork wasn't filed till 3 weeks later but that doesn't mean anyone cheated.

And the CIR testing proves that.

30 notes prohibited list not methods so he is still breaking the rules, why would Floyd write 30 into the contract if he wasn't cheating anyway, USADA has already been caught covering up positive A and B samples before, they would be more inclined to do so for Floyd considering how much he paid for the testing, why was it 150k for that fight when normally its 36k, everything points to one single conclusion, Floyd did and has been on the PEDs for most if not all of his career

Pureist wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Pureist wrote:you know the contract is in the sb article kooli, it also says that they agreed to follow WADA methods list which means floyd broke the rules twice, you obviously have a compromised opinion

He did not have to strictly follow the WADA methods list.

Paragraph 30 of the very contract you mention made sure of that.

The irony is that he may have anyway.

WADA allows TUEs. And there was a DCO (A USADA and therefore WADA agent) right there.

Before any IV that DCO was asked verbally for the TUE and it was granted.

Yeah, it is kinda bullcrap the paperwork wasn't filed till 3 weeks later but that doesn't mean anyone cheated.

And the CIR testing proves that.

30 notes prohibited list not methods so he is still breaking the rules, why would Floyd write 30 into the contract if he wasn't cheating anyway, USADA has already been caught covering up positive A and B samples before, they would be more inclined to do so for Floyd considering how much he paid for the testing, why was it 150k for that fight when normally its 36k, everything points to one single conclusion, Floyd did and has been on the PEDs for most if not all of his career

Not exactly.
This is exactly what 30 says (from Hauser article)

Paragraph 30 of the contract states, “If any rule or regulation whatsoever incorporated or referenced herein conflicts in any respect with the terms of this Agreement, this Agreement shall in all such respects control. Such rules and regulations include, but are not limited to: the Code [the World Anti-Doping Code]; the USADA Protocol; the WADA Prohibited List; the ISTUE [WADA International Standard for Therapeutic Use Exemptions]; and the ISTI [WADA International Standard for Testing and Investigations].”

I think Floyd is more than covered.

So then you must agree that he is a drug cheat and hypocrite, as you stated Floyd is MORE THAN COVERED, you would only go to those extremes if you had something to hide, wouldn't you agree, just the fact he wanted all TUEs not disclosed, he's been caught holding the smoking gun but claims he wasn't the shooter, all you nancyboy floyd fans defending him are a disgrace, you are now defending a proven cheat, the idea now of him being considered TBE is an absolute fantasy, TUEs have a certain criteria to meet and Floyd fell well short of that

Looks like a bunch of BS.
If Floyd took an IV or anything else for that matter isn't good.

Evander wrote:Looks like a bunch of BS.
If Floyd took an IV or anything else for that matter isn't good.

But.... but..... but...... but...... but........but......






He had an exemption and wasn't operating to Olympic standards, only the standards he made up himself!!!!


(I think that's the case the Flomos are makin').


KooliBrut seems to think everything's above board because Floyd's covered himself in advance with his corrupt contracts that allow for TUEs when he needs them.

But what we know is that 1. The correct correct criteria for being granted a TUE (i.e a medical emergency) was not fufilled, but more importantly 2. USADA admit they have no authority to even grant TUEs, only NSAC can grant a TUE being the governing body.

For years now Floyd has been operating within these mickey mouse USADA contracts that he pays extra for, allowing him to gain confidential TUEs when he needs them. But as USADA are only a testing body all these TUES he's been getting are illegall.

I've a feeling all this will blow open at some point, these stories always do. Imo records will show Floyd's had an abundance of TUEs that his former opponents didn't even know about.

Ricky_ wrote:

Evander wrote:Looks like a bunch of BS.
If Floyd took an IV or anything else for that matter isn't good.

But.... but..... but...... but...... but........but......






He had an exemption and wasn't operating to Olympic standards, only the standards he made up himself!!!!


(I think that's the case the Flomos are makin').


KooliBrut seems to think everything's above board because Floyd's covered himself in advance with his corrupt contracts that allow for TUEs when he needs them.

But what we know is that 1. The correct correct criteria for being granted a TUE (i.e a medical emergency) was not fufilled, but more importantly 2. USADA admit they have no authority to even grant TUEs, only NSAC can grant a TUE being the governing body.

For years now Floyd has been operating within these mickey mouse USADA contracts that he pays extra for, allowing him to gain confidential TUEs when he needs them. But as USADA are only a testing body all these TUES he's been getting are illegall.

I've a feeling all this will blow open at some point, these stories always do. Imo records will show Floyd's had an abundance of TUEs that his former opponents didn't even know about.

Floyd didn't need a TUE from the NSAC since using an IV to rehydrate isn't illegal under NSAC rules.

Haven't you been reading anything at all?

Floyd asked for the TUE to comply with USADA and WADA, even though he had a contract in hand that said he didn't have to.

He went above and beyond.

Just as he has all these years with USADA. He may be the only boxer we know of with an "athlete's biological passport".

Look that last one up. Then come back here and tell me how Floyd is a cheat.

Floyd is a cheat and you are an idiot because you've had your head up his anus for so long that it has blocked the oxygen required for your brain to function properly. It's a lot of fun to see you squirm and scramble to defend your love idol.

Answer 1 question kooli, has Floyd broken WADA code, if the answer is yes then he is a cheat, he spurts about drug testing and he is clean, he is a hypocrite that has been exposed, you say about the cir testing, if that information has come from USADA its definitely not a confirmation, USADA on this and other occasions has shown how the are not truthful in their statements, I would believe the article far more than USADA trying to cover their arse

I'm starting to suspect Koolikc might be both Brut & Fergus considering how long you take a losing argument so i'll give you a Fergus-esque reply

koolkc107 wrote:
Floyd didn't need a TUE from the NSAC since using an IV to rehydrate isn't illegal under NSAC rules.

1. NSAC released a statement that only they, not USADA have the power to issue a TUE, USADA is simple a testing agency, that should test & report results to NSAC = True

2. NSAC rejected Pacquaio's request for Taradol even though that isn't illegal under NSAC rules either = True

koolkc107 wrote:Floyd asked for the TUE to comply with USADA and WADA, even though he had a contract in hand that said he didn't have to.

He went above and beyond.

Just as he has all these years with USADA. He may be the only boxer we know of with an "athlete's biological passport".

Look that last one up. Then come back here and tell me how Floyd is a cheat.

= False (pissing in the wind)

Clarifications

1) Saline IVs do not require a TUE in Nevada. Anyone here is free to cite any part of the NSAC code that says different.

2) Floyd asked for the TUE because, even though he was not required to have one granted under NSAC rules, he wanted to be WADA compliant. The TUE was verbally requested from a USADA DCO before any IV was done by emergency medical personnel. Anyone hear anything from WADA since May on this? Or are they on Floyd's payroll too like USADA is?

3) In spite of Toradol actually being potentially a legal cheat (if in fact there was no real shoulder injury), USADA was going to allow it. NSAC would have allowed it too if Manny hadn't forgotten to lie about the shoulder on the paperwork like he lied at the post fight press conference.

Can you f4cking let it go ? Floyd's "cleanliness" has been tainted, and there is nothing you can do about it.

ikorolev wrote:Can you f4cking let it go ? Floyd's "cleanliness" has been tainted, and there is nothing you can do about it.

As long as inaccurate info is presented as fact?

No, not letting that go unchallenged.

Fact, WADA doesn't allow what he did, in those circumstances, that is the fact, you can argue all you want, floyd must think everyone is as stupid as you but that's obviously not the case

Pureist wrote:Fact, WADA doesn't allow what he did, in those circumstances, that is the fact, you can argue all you want, floyd must think everyone is as stupid as you but that's obviously not the case

But that is where you are wrong.

WADA regulations allow what happened. That is why you cannot find anyone from WADA remarking about it.

Floyd committed no violation as far as WADA is concerned.

Here is the passage:

Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions,surgical procedures or clinical investigations

http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-in- ... d-methods/

I am guessing having a paramedic give you an IV qualifies as a surgical procedure as far a WADA is concerned.

With a USADA DCO witnessing the whole thing, it is really not an issue.

koolkc107 wrote:

Pureist wrote:Fact, WADA doesn't allow what he did, in those circumstances, that is the fact, you can argue all you want, floyd must think everyone is as stupid as you but that's obviously not the case

But that is where you are wrong.

WADA regulations allow what happened. That is why you cannot find anyone from WADA remarking about it.

Floyd committed no violation as far as WADA is concerned.

Here is the passage:

Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions,surgical procedures or clinical investigations

http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-in- ... d-methods/

I am guessing having a paramedic give you an IV qualifies as a surgical procedure as far a WADA is concerned.

With a USADA DCO witnessing the whole thing, it is really not an issue.

You sound like you actually believe the garbage your writing kooli, this won't be a fast fix, this will go for 2 years or so, they will go through everything with a fine tooth comb, checking every TUE issued to Floyd and circumstances and retest previous samples, Floyd won't even know it's happening, WADA can walk in at any time, take samples and test them

Is the result going to be overturned or will this go nowhere?

DA GOOSE wrote:Is the result going to be overturned or will this go nowhere?

NSAC give Floyd the judges and refs he requests. No way will it be overturned. Best case scenario is Arum takes him to court over his sham USADA contracts and reveals the TUEs Floyd gets upon request.

...considering all parties involved were paid nicely, I don't believe they gonna jeopardize it and sue each other...it will go NOWHERE...

In a letter from USADA to the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) on May 21, 2015, the NSAC was informed of Mr. Mayweather’s approved Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) and advised that “Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to a USADA doping control officer who was at his home for collection of a sample. Mr. Mayweather provided partial urine samples to USADA both prior to and following the infusion. The urine provided by Mr. Mayweather on May 1, 2015, was subsequently tested and has been reported by the World Anti-Doping Agency accredited laboratory as negative.”, this is from the USADA rebuttal kooli, can you explain how they can test a partial sample, you need 90ml so there can be a b sample, if they tested a partial there would be no b sample so even if he failed the test it wouldn't matter, no b sample to test, the other inaccuracy is that USADA said they organised the IV due to floyd not being able to give a sample yet they say he was able to give a partial before and after the IV, I'm waiting for you interesting answer, they also never covered the amount of fluids given

Pureist wrote:In a letter from USADA to the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) on May 21, 2015, the NSAC was informed of Mr. Mayweather’s approved Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) and advised that “Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to a USADA doping control officer who was at his home for collection of a sample. Mr. Mayweather provided partial urine samples to USADA both prior to and following the infusion. The urine provided by Mr. Mayweather on May 1, 2015, was subsequently tested and has been reported by the World Anti-Doping Agency accredited laboratory as negative.”, this is from the USADA rebuttal kooli, can you explain how they can test a partial sample, you need 90ml so there can be a b sample, if they tested a partial there would be no b sample so even if he failed the test it wouldn't matter, no b sample to test, the other inaccuracy is that USADA said they organised the IV due to floyd not being able to give a sample yet they say he was able to give a partial before and after the IV, I'm waiting for you interesting answer, they also never covered the amount of fluids given

Husker and a couple of others were right. No matter how much fact you give folks, some will still find reasons to see what they wish.

No insult intended, Purist.

And your last reply was actually well reasoned so I give you kudos for that.

All I can ask you is this:

Haven't you ever been doing the lab part of your yearly physical, tried to give urine, and wound up not being able to give them the minimum sample amount?

You DO KNOW that the lab is able to test the partial sample, right?

It is just that they have a minimum amount as a standard.

I get what you are saying about a minimum amount needed for an A and B sample and I am willing to take your word for it
even if you have not supplied any documentation that this is the case because it sounds like something I read or heard.

However, they did eventually get a full sample and I can only assume that the results of THAT testing lined up exactly with
the results from the partial sample, making the idea of an A and B test for the partial irrelevant.

Documentation is in my last post kooli, the first 7 lines was copied straight from USADA rebuttal statement, USADA cannot use a partial test legally therefore floyd wasn't properly tested until about 8 that night, saying he was tested before the IV goes out the window, let's look at this using common sense shall we, he is a professional athlete with experienced staff around him constantly yet was so dehydrated that he needed an IV? he doesn't rehydrate much higher than his weigh in weight, he tried to get TUE confidentiality so no one would hear, he didn't even apply for 18 days for his TUE, his fighters have been caught before, all pointing to he is dirty kooli

Pureist wrote:Documentation is in my last post kooli, the first 7 lines was copied straight from USADA rebuttal statement, USADA cannot use a partial test legally therefore floyd wasn't properly tested until about 8 that night, saying he was tested before the IV goes out the window, let's look at this using common sense shall we, he is a professional athlete with experienced staff around him constantly yet was so dehydrated that he needed an IV? he doesn't rehydrate much higher than his weigh in weight, he tried to get TUE confidentiality so no one would hear, he didn't even apply for 18 days for his TUE, his fighters have been caught before, all pointing to he is dirty kooli

There was a USADA DCO with him the whole time.

The DCO, as a rep of a WADA signatory, verbally granted the TUE.

Everything completely on the up and up.