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How about he tries fighting someone in the top 35 first? Nope, they wouldn't want to risk their cash cow in a real fight.[/quote]

Wilder has fought about 5 people in the top 35. We're all waiting on him to fight someone in the top 5. If the money is right, hopefully he'll fight Povetkin next. Tough fight to call.

A lot of people don't realize, just because Wlad and Povetkin are far superior fighters to Molina and Duhaupas, doesn't mean they can take a harder shot.

Boxing is replete with examples of inferior fighters who can take a harder shot.

"Boxing is replete with examples of inferior fighters who can take a harder shot."

True enough. Duhaupas has a granite jaw. The thing about the better fighters is they are harder to hit and tend to hit you more frequently and harder, and Wilder was getting hit plenty by Molina and Duhaupas, and missing a lot - a lot - of his own.

Tony1244 wrote:Wilder has fought about 5 people in the top 35. We're all waiting on him to fight someone in the top 5. If the money is right, hopefully he'll fight Povetkin next. Tough fight to call.

A lot of people don't realize, just because Wlad and Povetkin are far superior fighters to Molina and Duhaupas, doesn't mean they can take a harder shot.

Boxing is replete with examples of inferior fighters who can take a harder shot.

In my opinion his only top 10 opponent was Stiverne and his only top 30 opponents were Stiverne, Scott, and Duhaupas, which is pretty crappy. He's clearly a solid fighter and while he has flaws I don't think they're so pronounced that he can't consistently beat better opposition than he's generally faced over the last few years, which makes his matchmaking frustrating.

A lot of people don't realize, just because Wlad and Povetkin are far superior fighters to Molina and Duhaupas, doesn't mean they can take a harder shot.

I understand your point, but is this the Molina who was knocked out in the first round, initially by a clubfighter and then by Chris Arreola? The Molina who was put on his ass by Tony Grano? I'm pretty confident that Povetkin takes a better shot than him and I think there's a good chance that Wlad does too. Duhaupas seems to have a good chin despite being dropped in the clip above and probably takes a shot better than Wlad, though I'm not sure if he's more durable than Povetkin.

Tony1244 wrote:At least Molina and Dupaupas weren't recently knocked out. Dupaupas has never been stopped until he fought Wilder.

In fairness, Duhaupas' record has got a lot of unknowns on it. He's lost to Pianeta (who had a shot against Wlad) & Teper (the guy who recently KO'd Pricey as the reigning European Champion) and that kind of shows what level this guy is at. His only noteworthy win was his victory over Charr.

Tony1244 wrote:Wilder needs to fight Povetkin or the Wlad-Fury winner ASAP.

Agreed, it's one of the few meaningful fights out there in the Heavyweight division.

A lot of people don't realize, just because Wlad and Povetkin are far superior fighters to Molina and Duhaupas, doesn't mean they can take a harder shot.>>>Tony1244


I understand your point, but is this the Molina who was knocked out in the first round, initially by a clubfighter and then by Chris Arreola? The Molina who was put on his ass by Tony Grano? I'm pretty confident that Povetkin takes a better shot than him and I think there's a good chance that Wlad does too. Duhaupas seems to have a good chin despite being dropped in the clip above and probably takes a shot better than Wlad, though I'm not sure if he's more durable than Povetkin.>>>crusader


Even if my specific example was wrong, I'm glad you and others get the point. Povetkin would likely beat Duhaupas 10 out of 10 times, but that doesn't mean Povetkin would last as long as Duhaupas did against Wilder. Regarding Molina, sometimes fighters learn a thing or 2 about surviving thru experience. Earnie Shavers is a good example of that. Shavers was KOd by Ron Stander, and later learned survival and pacing tactics to beat much better fighters than Stander.

Ali went the distance with fighters that far inferior fighters KO'd early. Not putting Wilder in Ali's league of course, but Wilder's endurance and boxing ability have both been pleasant surprises. His defense leaves something left to be desired, but Holyfield's defense got better with age.

Tony1244 wrote:His defense leaves something left to be desired...

There's the understatement of the day. They don't like to show pictures of his post-fight face after Duhaupas. The above was the only one I could find. If D could hit harder he could have finished him off. At one point Molina looked like he was about to KO him. I'll just put it to you bluntly: Wilder is a tv hype job and people who know boxing know that, and the tv talking heads going on about "a truly great american champion" and whatever else they have in their script doesn't change that. Pro: He hits hard and is in very good shape. Con: He misses a lot, even against a slow and easy target like D, and he has a very poor defense, especially on the inside where he's wide open.

Chepppaaa wrote:expect wilder to totaly crush povetkin

You serious ?

Chepppaaa wrote:expect wilder to totaly crush povetkin

You serious ?

If D could hit harder he could have finished him off. At one point Molina looked like he was about to KO him. I'll just put it to you bluntly: Wilder is a tv hype job and people who know boxing know that, and the tv talking heads going on about "a truly great american champion" and whatever else they have in their script doesn't change that. Pro: He hits hard and is in very good shape. Con: He misses a lot, even against a slow and easy target like D, and he has a very poor defense, especially on the inside where he's wide open.[/quote]


I never stated that Wilder was a Klitschko, Lewis, Holyfield, Ali, to even Tyson. I'd be very surprised if he matches any of those guys when it's all said and done. What he is is an exciting undefeated fighter. Granted he's only fought a handful of decent guys. I don't consider him a champion either.

I don't think Wilder was necessarily "about to KO" him. Bonavena nailed Ali. Sanders nailed Vitili. Fighters stumble around a little. "If D could have hit harder." If. If he could hit harder he may have been more aggressive and KO'd earlier.

I feel the same way about Wilder as I do about Tyson Fury. They are both a shot in the arm in the HW division. Other than the Klitschkos, the other Eastern European guys in the division have also failed to impress. I'd rather watch Fury or Wilder than a Pianetta, Teper, or Charr.

If Luis Pabon, one of the worst referees in boxing, had been replaced by almost anyone else for the Klitschko-Povetkin clinch-fest, I am certain we would have seen a different result. That was one of the most disgraceful performances by a heavyweight champion since the days when Larry Holmes defended his title against cab-drivers and pastry chefs. Even Klitschko was ashamed of that night's work. If Wilder doesn't ditch his title like Riddick Bowe did, we can expect to see Povetkin demolish Wilder inside the distance. Time to get rid of all these giant ex-basketball players masquerading as boxers.

Tony1244 wrote:
Even if my specific example was wrong, I'm glad you and others get the point. Povetkin would likely beat Duhaupas 10 out of 10 times, but that doesn't mean Povetkin would last as long as Duhaupas did against Wilder.

Probably not......

He'll have have Wilder out of there inside 6 rounds.

I can see Wilder getting hit ease and opened up by Povetkin.

Cap wrote:If Luis Pabon, one of the worst referees in boxing, had been replaced by almost anyone else for the Klitschko-Povetkin clinch-fest, I am certain we would have seen a different result.

I agree on different result. I'm sure that with "normal" referee Wlad wouldn't paly safe game and would KTFO Povetkin like he did with Pulev. All the time free from clinches Wlad was beating the living sh1t from Povetkin.

Boxing Writer wrote:

Cap wrote:If Luis Pabon, one of the worst referees in boxing, had been replaced by almost anyone else for the Klitschko-Povetkin clinch-fest, I am certain we would have seen a different result.

I agree on different result. I'm sure that with "normal" referee Wlad wouldn't paly safe game and would KTFO Povetkin like he did with Pulev. All the time free from clinches Wlad was beating the living sh1t from Povetkin.

Let's hope Povetkin and Klitschko meet again.

Boxing Writer wrote:

Cap wrote:If Luis Pabon, one of the worst referees in boxing, had been replaced by almost anyone else for the Klitschko-Povetkin clinch-fest, I am certain we would have seen a different result.

I agree on different result. I'm sure that with "normal" referee Wlad wouldn't paly safe game and would KTFO Povetkin like he did with Pulev. All the time free from clinches Wlad was beating the living sh1t from Povetkin.

Pretty much all he did was hit and clinch, povetkin wasn't even tired just after the match

And that hitting led to Povetkin being dropped 4 times.

davie wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:
Even if my specific example was wrong, I'm glad you and others get the point. Povetkin would likely beat Duhaupas 10 out of 10 times, but that doesn't mean Povetkin would last as long as Duhaupas did against Wilder.

Probably not......

He'll have have Wilder out of there inside 6 rounds.

I can see Wilder getting hit ease and opened up by Povetkin.

Possible. It's also possible that Povetkin lands on his butt. Neither are defensive wizards, but both can punch and are durable, so we all hope it happens.

Haymon's games begin:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/10/deo ... r-january/?

Wilder wants to fight in December-January, as they don't want to wait for Povetkin who is fighting on November 4th. Why such a rush ? It took Wilder 5 months between beating Stiverne and his first "defense". Now he suddenly needs to fight 3 months after his last defense and no later. Is that because they know that Povetkin will beat him ?

ikorolev wrote:Haymon's games begin:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/10/deo ... r-january/?

I remember back when that site used to have standards for articles to be printed. Scott Gilfoid is the worst "sports writer" I have ever seen in any publication ever. It literally couldn't be worse if you stuck a pen up a howler monkeys anus and let him scribble a piece.

punchoutsb wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Haymon's games begin:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/10/deo ... r-january/?

I remember back when that site used to have standards for articles to be printed. Scott Gilfoid is the worst "sports writer" I have ever seen in any publication ever. It literally couldn't be worse if you stuck a pen up a howler monkeys anus and let him scribble a piece.

Forget about his arguments. What is important is if Wilder will try another defense in spite of his obligation to fight Povetkin next.

ikorolev wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Haymon's games begin:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/10/deo ... r-january/?

I remember back when that site used to have standards for articles to be printed. Scott Gilfoid is the worst "sports writer" I have ever seen in any publication ever. It literally couldn't be worse if you stuck a pen up a howler monkeys anus and let him scribble a piece.

Forget about his arguments. What is important is if Wilder will try another defense in spite of his obligation to fight Povetkin next.

I have no problem with it at all, provided he still does fight Povetkin. Alexander fights in November, and usually takes about 5-7 months between fights. That would put the fight somewhere in the April to June range. If Wilder wants to fight again before that then let him, just so long as it's not far enough into 2016 that it pushes the Povetkin fight to the fall. Also, if Wilder suffers some form of injury that puts him on the table, Povetkin fights Joshua for the interim title and Wilder MUST face the winner or drop his paper title.

crusader wrote:And that hitting led to Povetkin being dropped 4 times.

He became angry and wreckless, so the risks raised. Also, Klitschko made a judomatch of it by holding tight, turn around and let go so Povetkin fell backwards, it had nothing to do with being even punched or anything like that

Cap wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:

Cap wrote:If Luis Pabon, one of the worst referees in boxing, had been replaced by almost anyone else for the Klitschko-Povetkin clinch-fest, I am certain we would have seen a different result.

I agree on different result. I'm sure that with "normal" referee Wlad wouldn't paly safe game and would KTFO Povetkin like he did with Pulev. All the time free from clinches Wlad was beating the living sh1t from Povetkin.

Let's hope Povetkin and Klitschko meet again.

I hope their rematch happens if Povetkin beats Wilder as soon as possible and with referee who won't let Wlad to hold that much. And I'm confident that in this case their fight will be much more pleasant to watch and Klitschko will win by KO.

No accident Povetkin is fighting big Wach next. Needs to practice landing on the chin of a giant.