Adrien Broner- The best in Boxing?

[handsofstone]

Broner deserved praise for the win although IMO the stoppage was pretty soft but for me he seems to be developing into a pot shotter,he's always been kinda compared to Mayweather but Floyd tailored his style as he got older,Broner has nowhere near Mayweather's talent but if he's gonna model himself on him then why not prime Floyd?

he hasnt got the talent,ring smarts or accuracy to dominate top level opposition the way Floyd does by keeping his workrate minimul,he needs to be busier and stop being so 1 paced,if someone could teach him how to box and read a fight then he can become a great fighter but until then he's always gonna falter at top level

No way, you're saying that Broner at 26 is not as talented as quite possibly the greatest fighter in the history of the game, Floyd at the end of his career? Bro, that is some earth shattering news right there. Did you break it yourself?

Floyd only had 2 world titles by the time he was 26. Broner has 4. Why don't we be a little more responsible and compare the 26 year old Floyd to the 26 year old Broner. Don't you think that would be a little better use of a comparison instead of comparing the 49-0 Floyd to the 26 year old Broner?

Just another ridiculous comment from the Broner haters.

Listen mate i dont get all precious about fighters like you lot on CS,i dont like Broner but i never let my dislike for anyone cloud my judgement on a fight or fighter like you fan boys .i wasnt even making a deal about Broner not being as talented as Mayweather,why would i? pretty much no one is but i was saying he has tools to be similar to him but hasnt the brains to make use of them

I cant be arsed checking but i assume Mayweather had many many more title fights at Broner's age,are you trying to imply Broner is better coz he's got titles at 4 weights?

By the way "haters" What are you a 15 year old female Taylor Swift fan

[digzee]

Just watching the Khabib fight now and after 4 rounds I don't see any difference from when Broner was bullying the guys at 130 and 135, his defence is still sh1t when Khabib actually throws more then 1 punch he lands then Broner resorts to pushing him away with his elbows (which the ref warns him for) he still holds when under pressure. Luckily for Broner Khabib doesn't have any pop at all and fought the wrong plan. If he had unmatched power and speed by ANYONE he would have had Khabib out of there before the 12th or at least had him on the canvas.

Broner has only ever looked good when fighting below world level and every time he stepped up he lost convincingly. I can easily see Peterson outworking him, Crawford would do what ever he wants to him it would be like a cat playing with a mouse.

Caldo cocaine is a hell of a drug.

You guys are all nutso and just refuse to give a boxer his due just because he happens to be a dink of a person. I don't like the guy either but I can appreciate a special talent when I see one unlike you tarts. You seem to think boxers never get better. Here we have a 26 year old boxer that in your eyes can never improve right? He'll always just be the guy that couldn't get it done against Maidana and Porter. So why even continue fighting?
He hasn't got better his opposition got worse, if and when he steps up your see.
I also love how you guys say Broner doesn't deserve any of the 4 world titles he's got but what about your boy Crawford? Did he deserve to have a title shot in his very first fight back at 140lbs? Khabib is a much better fighter than Dulorme, the guy that Crawford beat for the WBO vacancy title so whats your argument there?
Crawford was the no.1 at 135 so no its not unfair to walk into a title fight at 140, Broner's just come off a dominant defeat at 147 so of course he didn't deserve a title shot, how can you not see the difference????
What about Crawfords first title victory over Ricky Burns? Was he an elite fighter? Some of the greatest fighters in history beat chumps for world titles through vacated belts and whatnot. But Broners were especially cheap somehow?
Crawfords win AWAY FROM HOME dominating Burns is better then anything Broner has ever done, so yeh I think he deserves respect for that.
A bunch of hypocrites. Pathetic.

I never said he cant improve but going off of his last fight I don't see much difference. I admit I don't like the guy but I don't let that cloud my judgment, he isn't a bum but he isn't elite he's world class nothing more and nothing less, which is a compliment.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

You're never going to get a fair response about Broner here.

Many people on this site hate Broner simply because he is not "their kind of funny". His action are of "poor taste".
I have ZERO tolerance for Tyson Fury's brand of comedy. Yet, many people here defend all of his childish stupidity.
I watched the Batman thing thinking no adult in the world would find it funny or amusing or sensible. But ...
Instead of hating Tyson Fury because his definition of humor is annoying to me, I ignore his antics because they aren't for me.

In the ring, Broner made 1 big mistake, fighting at 147. 140 and under, Broner is a tough night for anyone.
I don't know about p4p, but I could see 2016 ending with Broner being #1 at 140, which is saying a lot.

#1? And how exactly do you see Broner beating Crawford?

Crawford might be 147 soon.

Also, I don't think Crawford is unbeatable.
Why does he deserve such reverence?
Because he beat up a very good featherweight? (After losing a few rounds and getting hurt)

I'd pick Crawford over Broner right now. But let's not put the guy at the Ward/Rigondeaux level just yet.

[Bobbyptsd]

You can laugh at that statement all you want

Thanks, don't mind if I do.

[davie]

Just another ridiculous comment from the Broner haters.

I don't doubt for a second that many arguments you have faced in this thread have been tainted by most folks dislike of Broner.
I can't stomach the guy and fight really hard to be objective in my assessment of him, but I do my best.

But for you to be criticising the haters is rich, given your obvious fanboy attitude to the guy.
How can you make any claim to objectivity when you made a OP like that?

If there is one area Broner can be compared to Floyd, it will be the way he splits opinion on places like this and make it very hard to wade through the fans and haters, to actually get some fair and honest appraisal of the guys merits and flaws

[davie]

I'd pick Crawford over Broner right now. But let's not put the guy at the Ward/Rigondeaux level just yet.

I don't think we should hold him in that high regard either, but he is a leading candidate to reach that level in my opinion.

I'd be astounded if Crawford isn't top 3 p4p two years from now. I suspect we'll be debating his claim to be no1 if i'm honest.



However, If Broner is in the top 5 i'll be (pleasantly) surprised, as it will mean he will have screwed the head and fulfilled his undoubted potential.

but that brings me to my biggest reservation about Broner and opinions like the OP of this thread.
Despite Broners obvious technical talents and physical attributes, I just don't see him having the dedication or the willingness to change, to make the improvements required, to build on that solid base and make a realistic claim for the best in the business. I invite him to prove me (and many other like me) wrong.

[Bobbyptsd]

To address the thread somewhat seriously, he's a talented contender. That's what I see him as. The "four weight world champion" thing annoys many people, as it should. You could make a strong case that he has never proved himself #1 in any division. He's not going to be the best fighter in the world. If he was, he wouldn't have lost to Maidana and Porter.

I'm not saying those are shameful losses, they aren't. But I don't see many threads advocating that Shawn Porter will become the top pound for pound fighter in the world, and there's a reason for that. Nuance, as always, is at a premium here. He (Broner)'s a very good fighter. He has a lot of talent. He has some good wins. That doesn't make him a guy about to cross the cusp into legendary status.

Crawford is head and shoulders above him. If Broner is to become the best, he's going to make one wicked turnaround that will put everyone in awe,and upset quite a few, because as it stands there are dozens of fighters who have accomplished more and are also in their primes.

But I don't think we'll have to cross that particular bridge.

[Lackeos]

There are several fighters Broner's age or younger who are better fighters currently and/or will be better in the long run -- Saul Alvarez, Juan Francisco Estrada, Naoya Inoue, Jermell Charlo, Jermall Charlo, Omar Figueroa Jr, probably Keith Thurman, probably Anthony Joshua, possibly Scott Quigg, possibly Javier Fortuna, possibly Amir Imam, possibly Errol Spence, possibly Arif Magomedov, possibly Jose Benavidez, unlikely Pedro Guevara, unlikely Chris Eubank Jr., unlikely Marcus Browne.

The odds that Adrien Broner reaches #1 p4p in 4-7 years is quite slim, IMO. He would have to improve a moderate amount just to crack the top 10 p4p at some point in his lifetime. In mid 2013, you might have been able to pull this thread off without seeming completely outlandish. But in the past almost 3 years, Broner has picked-up 2 losses to other contenders and has failed to notch any new career-best wins. He has moved more backwards than forwards in this span of time.

[caldo2025]

Just another ridiculous comment from the Broner haters.

I don't doubt for a second that many arguments you have faced in this thread have been tainted by most folks dislike of Broner.
I can't stomach the guy and fight really hard to be objective in my assessment of him, but I do my best.

But for you to be criticising the haters is rich, given your obvious fanboy attitude to the guy.
How can you make any claim to objectivity when you made a OP like that?

If there is one area Broner can be compared to Floyd, it will be the way he splits opinion on places like this and make it very hard to wade through the fans and haters, to actually get some fair and honest appraisal of the guys merits and flaws

I clearly stated that I despise the guy and everything that he stands for. I have never and will never be rooting for the guy to win in any fight. I can put my personal feelings aside and give an honest appraisal of a guy though, unlike the rest of you people. The guy is undefeated at 140 and looks fantastic. Thats just a fact and i'd not bet against him with any 140 pounder.

[Counter-puncher]

I have never and will never be rooting for the guy to win in any fight. I can put my personal feelings aside and give an honest appraisal of a guy though, unlike the rest of you people. .

sure, you're the only guy on here capable of objectivity, and people only- can only- disagree with you when their bias takes over.

[caldo2025]

Broner deserved praise for the win although IMO the stoppage was pretty soft but for me he seems to be developing into a pot shotter,he's always been kinda compared to Mayweather but Floyd tailored his style as he got older,Broner has nowhere near Mayweather's talent but if he's gonna model himself on him then why not prime Floyd?

he hasnt got the talent,ring smarts or accuracy to dominate top level opposition the way Floyd does by keeping his workrate minimul,he needs to be busier and stop being so 1 paced,if someone could teach him how to box and read a fight then he can become a great fighter but until then he's always gonna falter at top level

A potshotter? Broner's output was over 630 punches for this fight. More than double the output he had in the Porter fight. Those aren't potshotter type numbers. Take a closer look at Khabib's face and you will see that he didn't miss many of those 600 punches and he was throwing combinations with power.

That's what i'm saying here with this post. This was a different Broner. A well trained Broner that came out blasting and never slowed down for 12 rounds. My main point is that this kid improved and with the tools he has in his toolbox, this second half of his career could be on an elite tier. That is if he doesn't F it up like he probably will. I think that he has the ability to be a top P4P fighter.

[caldo2025]

I have never and will never be rooting for the guy to win in any fight. I can put my personal feelings aside and give an honest appraisal of a guy though, unlike the rest of you people. .

sure, you're the only guy on here capable of objectivity, and people only- can only- disagree with you when their bias takes over.

Thank you. Finally. Thank you for saying that because if i did it would be bragging so thank you.

[Counter-puncher]

you forgot to mention our (individual and collective) Britishness/Europeanness/general faggotry clouding our judgement, best up your game

[caldo2025]

you forgot to mention our (individual and collective) Britishness/Europeanness/general faggotry clouding our judgement, best up your game

Now you remind me. I could have used some British insults 12 posts ago...when I was getting my head kicked in.

[johnswan1]

My point is that this is a NEW Broner anyhow. Since the 12th round in the Porter fight, we've got a kid that realized some things. I don't care what he did prior to that 12th round, who he beat or who beat him. This is NOT THE SAME BRONER as before or even close to it.

This is fornicating hilarious. A thread titled "Adrien Broner - The best in Boxing" and the OP basis it solely on the last round of a fight Broner was soundly beaten in and a full fight against a limited opponent who was coming off a defeat and a near two year layoff and fighting in Broners hometown.

Broner will never be a pound for pound player. He doesn't have the footwork or elusiveness of Mayweather so as a guy who likes to pick his shots and spend a lot of time admiring his own work he will always be open to getting outworked by a lesser skilled opponent. You may point to an increase in activity in his latest fight against those previous, but it's easy to be active when you're hitting a punchbag.

[caldo2025]

My point is that this is a NEW Broner anyhow. Since the 12th round in the Porter fight, we've got a kid that realized some things. I don't care what he did prior to that 12th round, who he beat or who beat him. This is NOT THE SAME BRONER as before or even close to it.

This is effing hilarious. A thread titled "Adrien Broner - The best in Boxing" and the OP basis it solely on the last round of a fight Broner was soundly beaten in and a full fight against a limited opponent who was coming off a defeat and a near two year layoff and fighting in Broners hometown.

Broner will never be a pound for pound player. He doesn't have the footwork or elusiveness of Mayweather so as a guy who likes to pick his shots and spend a lot of time admiring his own work he will always be open to getting outworked by a lesser skilled opponent. You may point to an increase in activity in his latest fight against those previous, but it's easy to be active when you're hitting a punchbag.

There is a watershed moment in every boxer's career that changes the trajectory of success and sometimes it happens during a loss and a lot of times it happens in a win. For instance, Fonfara's moment happened in a unanimous decision loss to Adonis Stevenson. Provodnikov's happened in a unanimous loss to Bradley. Lennox Lewis against Oliver McCall. I happened to believe that Broner had his against Porter and the fight Saturday night did more to prove that point than disprove it.

Unlike yourself, I don't shut the door on boxers when they are 26 years old and say that they "will never be a pound for pound player". Especially a 26 year old who is the second fastest boxer in history to get 4 world titles. It's pretty irresponsible to make those judgements so early in a boxers career. But you have your opinion I guess, no matter how wrong it is.

[johnswan1]

Unlike yourself, I don't shut the door on boxers when they are 26 years old and say that they "will never be a pound for pound player". Especially a 26 year old who is the second fastest boxer in history to get 4 world titles. It's pretty irresponsible to make those judgements so early in a boxers career. But you have your opinion I guess, no matter how wrong it is.

Hey I really do hope I'm wrong. The kid does have talent and I agree he has power when he plants his feet. The move straight from Lightweight to Welter was incredibly naive.

He may be the second fastest boxer in history to get 4 world titles but I bet you can't name any fighter who has had a weaker set of opponents for those titles?

I hope Broner does stay committed and at 140. I like characters in the sport and he's one of them. He's also a lot tougher than he's given credit for.

[caldo2025]

Unlike yourself, I don't shut the door on boxers when they are 26 years old and say that they "will never be a pound for pound player". Especially a 26 year old who is the second fastest boxer in history to get 4 world titles. It's pretty irresponsible to make those judgements so early in a boxers career. But you have your opinion I guess, no matter how wrong it is.

Hey I really do hope I'm wrong. The kid does have talent and I agree he has power when he plants his feet. The move straight from Lightweight to Welter was incredibly naive.

He may be the second fastest boxer in history to get 4 world titles but I bet you can't name any fighter who has had a weaker set of opponents for those titles?

I hope Broner does stay committed and at 140. I like characters in the sport and he's one of them. He's also a lot tougher than he's given credit for.

Like I said previously, you name the all time great and i'll show you some easy World Titles fights. Even my favorite boxer of all time, Sugar Ray Leonard, was carefully matched and cherry picked titles on the way to the HOF. He beat Ayub Kalule and Donny Lalonde. Two guys that have to pay to get in the HOF. Let's even look at Terrance Crawford...he vacates his title and moves up to 140 and boom, gets a title shot and beats a very pedestrian Delourme. His first world title was taken from Ricky Burns...these are hardly epic clashes we are talking about.

I agree that the whole 4 World Title thing is going to get old because he didn't really defeat any world beaters but he still did it and it's still something that is pretty remarkable considering. Again, I would consider it hatred...that I have for Broner. I'll be rooting against him the rest of his career but he's so damn talented. I thought his second career would start when he left his current team and signed on with a world class trainer like Garcia, Roach or Hunter. That still may happen but he's raw....he's got fast hands and now some power to back it and more importantly, he's got a fabulous beard. He's taken some heavy shots and only been down a couple of times. He's now aware that he can't fight up over 140 anymore. Not until he gets a little better. I'm rooting against it but I really think his time is coming and it's going to get really really annoying.

[gilgamesh]

I can't believe you can't see the the very obvious flaws that Broner has Caldo. He can't punch and defend at the same time. So any aggressive, brawling type fighter is going to have long stretches where he can enjoy attacking Broner for as long as he wants while catching virtually nothing back, and winning the round while Broner lays on the ropes and does nothing.

He rarely throws in combination, throwing one punch at a time trying to be like Floyd, but lacking Floyd's unbelievable accuracy and timing. This has worked against certain opponents, but it won't get the job done against any of the Elite or even close to Elite at 140 or 147.

Pressure and a Steady workrate is all one really needs to beat Broner. Also he's not that big of a puncher. So even guys with questionable chins could outbox him with relative ease...for instance Amir Khan. Khan would win damn near every round against Broner, and he'd do it easy.

At 140...Terrence Crawford, Lucas Matthysse (even coming off a loss, if he fought Broner next time out he'd eat him up), Ruslan Provodnikov, Viktor Postol...and maybe a few others like Rances Barthelemy.

My point is...this title win for Broner was just another trinket for him to lose in pretty short order. He may well get a few defenses in by going the Al Haymon...careful protection PBC route, and fighting no hopers. He already called out Ashley Theophane after his last fight so that heavily implies this is indeed his plan of action at the moment. But as soon as he decides he's ready to step up again to another name fighter or unify his belt with another belt or something. He's gonna lose.

Wouldn't shock me if he lost in a voluntary title defense against someone we haven't even heard of. If the guy is a pressure fighter with a steady workrate, he may well be Broner's undoing.

[caldo2025]

I can't believe you can't see the the very obvious flaws that Broner has Caldo. He can't punch and defend at the same time. So any aggressive, brawling type fighter is going to have long stretches where he can enjoy attacking Broner for as long as he wants while catching virtually nothing back, and winning the round while Broner lays on the ropes and does nothing.

He rarely throws in combination, throwing one punch at a time trying to be like Floyd, but lacking Floyd's unbelievable accuracy and timing. This has worked against certain opponents, but it won't get the job done against any of the Elite or even close to Elite at 140 or 147.

Pressure and a Steady workrate is all one really needs to beat Broner. Also he's not that big of a puncher. So even guys with questionable chins could outbox him with relative ease...for instance Amir Khan. Khan would win damn near every round against Broner, and he'd do it easy.

At 140...Terrence Crawford, Lucas Matthysse (even coming off a loss, if he fought Broner next time out he'd eat him up), Ruslan Provodnikov, Viktor Postol...and maybe a few others like Rances Barthelemy.

My point is...this title win for Broner was just another trinket for him to lose in pretty short order. He may well get a few defenses in by going the Al Haymon...careful protection PBC route, and fighting no hopers. He already called out Ashley Theophane after his last fight so that heavily implies this is indeed his plan of action at the moment. But as soon as he decides he's ready to step up again to another name fighter or unify his belt with another belt or something. He's gonna lose.

Wouldn't shock me if he lost in a voluntary title defense against someone we haven't even heard of. If the guy is a pressure fighter with a steady workrate, he may well be Broner's undoing.

Revival, did you not see the fight Saturday night? Everyone on this site raved about Rhabib and quite honestly, he really should have been an undefeated fighter coming in. I know he hadn't been in the ring for 1.5 years but a lot of people had Rhabib winning this fight. Broner absolutely destroyed the guy. And he sat down on his punches and powerful, fast combinations all night and kept his back off of the ropes which was his downfall in both losses.

My whole point is that we really need to forget about what we know about this guy because he's getting better. He's only 26 years old and most fighters aren't even in their prime at 26 years old. A boxers prime IMO is 28-30 years old. This kid is 2 years away from that....that's about 5 or 6 fights away.

At this point, I'd take Broner over Lucas, Provodnikov and Postol without question. Postol is interesting though and his reach may give Broner some issues. But I think I'd put my money on Terrance Crawford over Broner right now. But by no means would I be comfortable about it.

If the rumors are actually true and Broner really does have head on straight and has rededicated his life to boxing then I think that he really could unify the titles at 140. He has that ability, yes I believe that to be true.

[gilgamesh]

Yes I did watch the fight Saturday. There were very few combinations coming from Broner. There was a lot of Right hand potshots though. Khabib while a good fighter, didn't have the right style to trouble Broner all that much. He's a counter puncher so he was always waiting for Broner to take the lead...that's not the way to beat Broner.

Matthysse or Provodnikov wouldn't wait on Broner. They'd be in his face from the get go taking it to him. Crawford and Postol would just outbox him because they're better than him.

Broner did perform well on Saturday night I'll give him that, but Khabib isn't the most dangerous guy he could've been fighting. Not even close. Khabib is a legitimate Top 10 type talent (though he's not currently Top 10 at 140), but stylistically he didn't pose much of a problem to Broner. Other fighters will.

[punchoutsb]

you forgot to mention our (individual and collective) Britishness/Europeanness/general faggotry clouding our judgement, best up your game

Reading boxrec on break at work and this literally made me laugh out loud.

[actjac]

Yes! Broner is not only the best but he is the "Best Ever". . .and the greatest of all time. . Better than Leonard, Robinson, Mayweather and would destroy Louis, Marciano and Ali. . . (Now I know what I quit posting here). . . My gawd.

[caldo2025]

Yes! Broner is not only the best but he is the "Best Ever". . .and the greatest of all time. . Better than Leonard, Robinson, Mayweather and would destroy Louis, Marciano and Ali. . . (Now I know what I quit posting here). . . My gawd.

Boy, with tasty nuggets like this, I sure wish that you'd reconsider and start posting again here.

[Wales]

The biggest pudendum in boxing that's foot sure....

4 world titles and a multi millionaire yeah, a total c.unt?

Since when did holding world titles and being rich stop you from being a c.unt?

100% true

Although it must soften the blow