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koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:When real numbers from HBO are in, you will know them.

We already have the real numbers.

And they suck.

No, we don't. You want them to be real numbers so that Floyd vs Berto fiasco doesn't look so bad.

Wait does this include Canadian PPV buys?

klitoris wrote:Wait does this include Canadian PPV buys?

No. Besides, somebody said that it was on free TV in Quebec.

Well, you have to question how sensible this was, putting it on PPV.

Surely if they'd aired that portion of the card free to air - everyone who tuned in to see Golovkin would have been keen to see him again.

I'd say pretty much everyone who paid for that PPV card though, would have been extremely happy, and chances are everyone told their mates about the fights - the trouble is, if it's only 150,000 people, that's going to take a while.

I reckon he'll do 250k next fight, and then if he fights Cotto after that, maybe 350k - maybe 500k with a lot of marketing - it's it's Alvarez, he'll get to 500 k with a lot more ease.

I think he's on his way, he's easy to sell, he's never going to be as big as Oscar or Floyd were, but then - who is?

The promoters probably wanted to get him established as a PPV fighter, even if they didn't do great numbers, I'm sure they are a little disappointed, but probably not as much as people may figure. Probably write this off as a loss leader.

It's about getting him established, there will be bigger, easier to sell fights. Who in effs name had heard out Lemiuex outside of Canada, or diehard boxing fans?

ikorolev wrote:

klitoris wrote:Wait does this include Canadian PPV buys?

No. Besides, somebody said that it was on free TV in Quebec.

I know that the majority of fans tuning in to this fight were probably from Quebec, but Quebec is only 1 Province out of 10.

ikorolev wrote:

klitoris wrote:Wait does this include Canadian PPV buys?

No. Besides, somebody said that it was on free TV in Quebec.

It was on PPV in Ontario. Considering that most of Lemieux's fans are from Quebec I can't imagine that it wasn't PPV in Quebec. It wouldn't make sense for them to make it non-ppv in Quebec and then make it PPV everywhere else in Canada.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

klitoris wrote:Wait does this include Canadian PPV buys?

No. Besides, somebody said that it was on free TV in Quebec.

I know that the majority of fans tuning in to this fight were probably from Quebec, but Quebec is only 1 Province out of 10.

Don't forget the territories, all of which combined, excluding Quebec, might have sold about 15 PPV buys.

I'm kidding, sort of. Seriously though, I'm convinced those numbers would be absolutely dismal.

I don't know about buys ultimately, because I don't live there (Quebec) anymore, but someone told me earlier in the thread it was free tv there, and now people are saying it was PPV. So who knows.We can't have much of an accurate discussion if we don't have that information.

It is in fact slightly more than 150,000:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/go ... 37498.html?

It was also a PPV in quebec, both for hbo feed or the terrible french one.

Actually every major fight with a star from mtl is a ppv. Even when it is free on hbo.

'Just over' 150,000 pay-per-view buys for Golovkin-Lemieux bout

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/13 ... -view-buys

"A lot of people focus on the American market, but he had one of the highest rated international shows in the U.K. on allegedly, on SAT.1 in Germany and the biggest channel in Russia. He was also on Polsat, the biggest channel in Poland, for the first time. And on top of that, the Garden told us we broke the merchandise record for any boxing event there: over $122,000."

ikorolev wrote:It is in fact slightly more than 150,000:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/go ... 37498.html?

This is called "spin".

And for the record, I don't blame Loeffler for trying to walk this out there.

We all read where they said they needed 200,000 for this to make money.
So of course when they didn't get anywhere near that, we get this fairytale.

This bit is interesting tho:

"We're tracking to be about a few thousand over 150,000, which is the number we were shooting for when we put this show together."

We know they were definitely NOT shooting for 150K in buys to break even (I'll do the math in a second),
but notice he said "we're tracking to be...150K" not "we've confirmed 150K buys". That means that whatever real number he has RIGHT NOW it is less than 150,000 buys...and that confirms what is being reported.

But lets assume he gets to 150K. Assuming they were ALL HD buys, thats 9 million dollars gross.
We know the promoter winds up with about 45% of that figure, which is $4,050,000.
But the purses alone for this card came up to $4,072,500.

This is how you know Loeffler is lying.

No way you pay out more in purses than you expect to get back from PPV revenue.

And no, merchandise sales of about 120K and a live gate where many of the tickets
offered were only 50 bucks don't translate into any windfall profit.

And to all those pointing to non-American markets, all I can say is there is very
little indication that any significant amount of money was generated from them,
at least not any money Loeffler saw. And when you start thinking about what kind
of money was put out by Loeffler and HBO, it becomes clear that this fight loss money
...maybe a lot of money.

I get what Loeffler is doing media-wise and for Gennady's sake, I hope it works.

I don't think either Canelo or Cotto will be fooled and fall for it though.

What Loefler was saying before is that anything above 200,000 would be a big success. A number for breaking even circulated in this forum before the fight was 160,000. Not sure who came up with it and how.

ikorolev wrote:What Loefler was saying before is that anything above 200,000 would be a big success. A number for breaking even circulated in this forum before the fight was 160,000. Not sure who came up with it and how.

I am not trying to dispute who said what.

I do know that DLH was expecting a lot more buys (350K-500K) and Loeffler admits
the number he was talking about was higher as well.

The bottom line is when you examine the details it is clear they were not planning
for some 150K or 160K break even.

The purses paid are a dead giveaway.

This isn't like Floyd or Canelo or Pac where there are multiple revenue streams
or huge site fees that might help offset bad PPV numbers.

This was his first go.

And it bombed.

Not so kool.... Do you even like boxing? Our sport needs all hands on deck. Candelo or Cotto if they keep the belt has to fight Golovkin. No of this BS low handed gibberish matters. Lift up our sport or go away.... This thread is a bore.

Good to see someone on this site has brains, well said dan, most of these clowns have no idea, if a boxer isn't American they just want them to fail, espn just confirmed over 150k ppv

Dancin' Dan wrote:Not so kool.... Do you even like boxing? Our sport needs all hands on deck. Candelo or Cotto if they keep the belt has to fight Golovkin. No of this BS low handed gibberish matters. Lift up our sport or go away.... This thread is a bore.

I love boxing...which is why I am much more interested in the truth about it.

You say lift up the sport...so how is cosigning on a potential great refusing to test himself lifting it up?

I won't support prefabricated hype. And until Golovkin challenges himself that is what he is.

This is what happens when you keep cherry picking... the public won't buy it.

But you can fanboy all you like, it aint jack to me.

Pureist wrote:Good to see someone on this site has brains, well said dan, most of these clowns have no idea, if a boxer isn't American they just want them to fail, espn just confirmed over 150k ppv

And 150K is a disaster. From the article:

The pay-per-view generated more than $8 million in revenue.

and

"A lot of people focus on the American MARKET, but he had one of the highest rated international shows in the U.K. on allegedly, on SAT.1 in Germany and the biggest channel in Russia. He was also on Polsat, the biggest channel in Poland, for the first time. And on top of that, the Garden told us we broke the merchandise record for any boxing event there: over $122,000."

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/13 ... -view-buys

What do these quotes mean?

It means money was definitely lost, is what it means.

45% of 8 million is 3.6 million. Another 2.12 million from the live gate brings total revenue to 5.72 million.

No way they made money when the purses alone came to 4.1 million.

But you folks can believe what you like.

koolkc107 wrote:

Pureist wrote:Good to see someone on this site has brains, well said dan, most of these clowns have no idea, if a boxer isn't American they just want them to fail, espn just confirmed over 150k ppv

And 150K is a disaster. From the article:

The pay-per-view generated more than $8 million in revenue.

and

"A lot of people focus on the American MARKET, but he had one of the highest rated international shows in the U.K. on allegedly, on SAT.1 in Germany and the biggest channel in Russia. He was also on Polsat, the biggest channel in Poland, for the first time. And on top of that, the Garden told us we broke the merchandise record for any boxing event there: over $122,000."

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/13 ... -view-buys

What do these quotes mean?

It means money was definitely lost, is what it means.

45% of 8 million is 3.6 million. Another 2.12 million from the live gate brings total revenue to 5.72 million.

No way they made money when the purses alone came to 4.1 million.

But you folks can believe what you like.

Brut, you are perverse.

You function like a tree, a big, gay tree. Your main purpose, your core, the tree trunk - is to defend Floyd's honour at all costs.
But of course like a tree, you have many branches and tangents. Attacking Golovokin's PPV numbers is almost like a justifcation for an excuse when fans called for Floyd vs Golovkin, and a defense of his loss-making numbers for Berto, Maidana & Guerrero. Your perverse love for all things Mayweather has also led you to 'Team Haymon', so you an root for PBC/Showtime and against HBO.

I guess it's just a matter of time to you get banned again Brut, maybe with a bit of luck and Mayweathers' retirement, you'll get bored of making new accounts, pervert.

There are just no words to adequately describe the ignorance displayed in your last post, Pretty Ricky.

And anyone with common sense can see you are projecting...and more than just a little bit.

I know I am going to regret it, but I must ask even if it means another imbecilic reply from the forum's resident simpleton.

What, exactly, is a "big gay tree?"

Is it one that only shares it's nuts with bonafide idiots like yourself?

Is it a tree that prefers being adorned with only designer tinsel and faberge eggs?

Did you see the tree with others of its kind getting married?

Please, enlighten us all.

kk, accept that you would be happier if it was 97,000 and not 150,000

koolkc107 wrote:There are just no words to adequately describe the ignorance displayed in your last post, Pretty Ricky.

And anyone with common sense can see you are projecting...and more than just a little bit.

I know I am going to regret it, but I must ask even if it means another imbecilic reply from the forum's resident simpleton.

What, exactly, is a "big gay tree?"

Is it one that only shares it's nuts with bonafide idiots like yourself?

Is it a tree that prefers being adorned with only designer tinsel and faberge eggs?

Did you see the tree with others of its kind getting married?

Please, enlighten us all.

Go beat one of your branches off to your Floyd posters.

ikorolev wrote:kk, accept that you would be happier if it was 97,000 and not 150,000

KoolturB deserves a pass. He's still trying to extract the wedgy FMJ gave him before scurrying into retirement.

ikorolev wrote:kk, accept that you would be happier if it was 97,000 and not 150,000

Actually, it would have been better for our sport if he did the 200K they needed to break even. Or the 350K DLH and Loeffler thought they would get.

I want that very much. I want Golovkin to be what he looks like.

But, I won't cosign cherry picking; and yeah, that is exactly why things went so poorly.

Tanzio wrote:

ikorolev wrote:kk, accept that you would be happier if it was 97,000 and not 150,000

KoolturB deserves a pass. He's still trying to extract the wedgy FMJ gave him before scurrying into retirement.

Actually, I went record condemning said wedgy and you will never hear me say that wasn't a fight that belonged on free tv.

Just like this Golovkin fight we're talking about. But, I aint the only one:

Early indications are that at best, it sold 150,000 on pay-per-view. The lowest number floating around is 97,000. The fight's break-even point was 200K, so it either came up short, or way short


http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/10/23/9 ... o-ppv-buys

The fight performed so badly it has writers wondering about the state of our sport.

Not good.

"....the state of our sport"

Really? With the numbers some of those PBC cards did? And the fact that the biggest PPV fight of all time (in money terms) was just a few months ago?

I think some may be getting a bit carried away over this.