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digzee wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Let's not get crazy, Digzee. I'm just saying that if you put all of my predictions together, those would have been some of my better ones. lol.
I actually thought that Rios was going to give Bradley a run for his money Saturday. So that should show you the level of my knowledge. It's pretty pathetic.
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Haha ok fair enough, just give Brook a year and I promise you by the end of next year he will have 3 more top 10 welterweights on his record hopefully 2 top 5, if not I'll feel the same as you.

SFW- Its easier to be proven when your promoted by the same company with the big names, you can get the big fights without having to get into a mandatory position and get paid peanuts like Kell did. Don't you understand this?

SFW wrote:

digzee wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Let's not get crazy, Digzee. I'm just saying that if you put all of my predictions together, those would have been some of my better ones. lol.
I actually thought that Rios was going to give Bradley a run for his money Saturday. So that should show you the level of my knowledge. It's pretty pathetic.
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Haha ok fair enough, just give Brook a year and I promise you by the end of next year he will have 3 more top 10 welterweights on his record hopefully 2 top 5, if not I'll feel the same as you.

SFW- Its easier to be proven when your promoted by the same company with the big names, you can get the big fights without having to get into a mandatory position and get paid peanuts like Kell did. Don't you understand this?

lol that's your excuse for that pathetic resume? Are you a direct family member or just one of those invisible cousins? Peanuts is definitely right , that's all he's ever made or deserved for the poo he chose to fight.. If he actually fought the dozen times he pulled out of fights there wouldn't be any debate. Yet, as it stands, nobody can truly say what he can do at the top level. 35 fights in and had to clinch 70+times to barely beat a mugger who can't even throw a straight punch. Be thankful he has gotten this far cuz your lil tea party has only lasted this long by NOT fighting real fighters and taking every safe fight they could.

digzee wrote: Its a fact not an excuse you moron, how often do European fighters walk into big fights without being signed up to an American promoter? Name me them? I'll be waiting...

Brook never held excessively only when Porter stormed in head first as he always does...

Lackeos wrote:People are very critical of Kell Brook's follow-up to beating Shawn Porter last year, but he was stabbed right after that fight. Then, he was supposed to fight Diego Chaves this October, but sustained a rib injury in training. Seems like in the span of one year, fighting a then top 15 fighter, a then top 25 fighter, attempting to fight a top 10 fighter, sustaining a rib injury, and being critically stabbed would constitute a busy enough year where fans wouldn't be like "Yeah, but couldn't you have fought the divisional #1 in between all of those stabbings and injuries and other fights? I mean Christ, it's been one whole entire year."

Lackeos wrote:People are very critical of Kell Brook's follow-up to beating Shawn Porter last year, but he was stabbed right after that fight. Then, he was supposed to fight Diego Chaves this October, but sustained a rib injury in training. Seems like in the span of one year, fighting a then top 15 fighter, a then top 25 fighter, attempting to fight a top 10 fighter, sustaining a rib injury, and being critically stabbed would constitute a busy enough year where fans wouldn't be like "Yeah, but couldn't you have fought the divisional #1 in between all of those stabbings and injuries and other fights? I mean Christ, it's been one whole entire year."

IKSRTFO wrote:

digzee wrote: Its a fact not an excuse you moron, how often do European fighters walk into big fights without being signed up to an American promoter? Name me them? I'll be waiting...

Brook never held excessively only when Porter stormed in head first as he always does...

Joe Calzaghe
Ricky Hatton
Naseem Hamed

digzee wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

digzee wrote: Its a fact not an excuse you moron, how often do European fighters walk into big fights without being signed up to an American promoter? Name me them? I'll be waiting...

Brook never held excessively only when Porter stormed in head first as he always does...

Joe Calzaghe
Ricky Hatton
Naseem Hamed

Calzaghe had 40 fights before he fought Lacy and was getting criticized like hell as Brook is now.
Hatton had 38 fights before he fought Tszyu and then that opened doors.
Naz is a special case where everyone wanted to see his unbelievable skills.

palooka wrote:

Lackeos wrote:People are very critical of Kell Brook's follow-up to beating Shawn Porter last year, but he was stabbed right after that fight. Then, he was supposed to fight Diego Chaves this October, but sustained a rib injury in training. Seems like in the span of one year, fighting a then top 15 fighter, a then top 25 fighter, attempting to fight a top 10 fighter, sustaining a rib injury, and being critically stabbed would constitute a busy enough year where fans wouldn't be like "Yeah, but couldn't you have fought the divisional #1 in between all of those stabbings and injuries and other fights? I mean Christ, it's been one whole entire year."

I feel that the UK fans are seeing this as not one year but as a continuity of his career, over a decade. Kell had been marked out as 'special' from turning pro but had been a pro almost 10 years before facing someone dangerous - Carson Jones, who along with Porter are the best opponents on Brook's résumé. Chaves wouldn't be a bad ticking over bout for someone claiming to be the best welter in the world but isn't really a statement bout.

Lackeos wrote:
On a mildly related note, Timothy Bradley's matchmaking has been pretty aggressive, and I think he deserves a lot more respect than he has been getting the last few years. The dude legitimately beat Juan Manuel Marquez, he deserves a permanent home in the p4p top 10.

caldo2025 wrote:

digzee wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Let's not get crazy, Digzee. I'm just saying that if you put all of my predictions together, those would have been some of my better ones. lol.
I actually thought that Rios was going to give Bradley a run for his money Saturday. So that should show you the level of my knowledge. It's pretty pathetic.
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Haha ok fair enough, just give Brook a year and I promise you by the end of next year he will have 3 more top 10 welterweights on his record hopefully 2 top 5, if not I'll feel the same as you.

SFW- Its easier to be proven when your promoted by the same company with the big names, you can get the big fights without having to get into a mandatory position and get paid peanuts like Kell did. Don't you understand this?

I'm sorry, I don't understand this. Brook has been all over the place calling out this guy or telling us why he's not fighting that guy. Since winning the title (which was awesome btw and I loved it), Brook has been a joke. I'm sorry, I know you love him and all but either shut up or fight. I let up on my criticism when he signed on to fight Diego Chaves because that's not an easy fight even when he's a bit undersized for Brook. Chaves is a tough out and a full nights work for any WW. Then all of a sudden the fights called off out of nowhere and here we are scratching our head yet again about this guy and his future fights. It's a joke man. Now we can look forward to Brook and Khan slugging it out over news columns instead of inside the ring.

It's old man. Brook is junk until he proves otherwise. Gavin and Dan since winning the belt off Porter. That's beyond pathetic to me. Nothing you can say will change my mind about that. He's part of what's wrong with Boxing. Shut up and take a fight....and follow through on the fight. The guy tied up Chaves from making other fights when his star was pretty bright. Pathetic.

johnswan1 wrote:
I hate conspiracy theories but my suspicion is that Brook pulled out with a fake injury because he was supposed to be part of the Klitschko-Fury UK PPV. The fact that his fight hasn't been officially rescheduled might suggest that it was genuine after all, or else they were not convinced the new date for Klitschko-Fury would go ahead. You then think whether the Chaves fight could have supported AJ-Whyte, but that fight already has strong support with Eubank-O'Sullivan, and maybe Kell wasn't prepared to move from headlining in Sheffield on PPV to undercard in London.

caldo2025 wrote:

johnswan1 wrote:
I hate conspiracy theories but my suspicion is that Brook pulled out with a fake injury because he was supposed to be part of the Klitschko-Fury UK PPV. The fact that his fight hasn't been officially rescheduled might suggest that it was genuine after all, or else they were not convinced the new date for Klitschko-Fury would go ahead. You then think whether the Chaves fight could have supported AJ-Whyte, but that fight already has strong support with Eubank-O'Sullivan, and maybe Kell wasn't prepared to move from headlining in Sheffield on PPV to undercard in London.

I just think Brook realized that he made a mistake to sign on to fight against Chaves because it's a high risk-low reward. If the fight was going to be rescheduled then it would have been done by now. He opted out of the fight, plain and simple. I'm sure that we'll find out in the next few weeks that he's fighting a 18-7 boxer or something for the end of December. That would be what wouldn't surprise me about this punk.

johnswan1 wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

johnswan1 wrote:
I hate conspiracy theories but my suspicion is that Brook pulled out with a fake injury because he was supposed to be part of the Klitschko-Fury UK PPV. The fact that his fight hasn't been officially rescheduled might suggest that it was genuine after all, or else they were not convinced the new date for Klitschko-Fury would go ahead. You then think whether the Chaves fight could have supported AJ-Whyte, but that fight already has strong support with Eubank-O'Sullivan, and maybe Kell wasn't prepared to move from headlining in Sheffield on PPV to undercard in London.

I just think Brook realized that he made a mistake to sign on to fight against Chaves because it's a high risk-low reward. If the fight was going to be rescheduled then it would have been done by now. He opted out of the fight, plain and simple. I'm sure that we'll find out in the next few weeks that he's fighting a 18-7 boxer or something for the end of December. That would be what wouldn't surprise me about this punk.

Brook is the real deal but I am also a little annoyed at the lack of any news on a revised date. They may also be looking to see if Khan gets Pacman because if he doesn't then Brook-Khan is a very big event in the UK. Khan was sitting ringside with Eddie Hearn at the weekend in Liverpool.

caldo2025 wrote: There's no way Khan and Brook gets done. Here you have the two most erroneously inflated ego's in the sport both thinking that they are the A side of any negotiation. These guys will end up fighting well past the appropriate time to fight. Like Manny and Floyd, they will fight well past the time anyone gives a darn. Screw boxing.

SFW wrote:At least Kahn has shown the balls to fight the best, he dared to take much more risk than Kell has. That's just a simple fact.

palooka wrote:

SFW wrote:At least Kahn has shown the balls to fight the best, he dared to take much more risk than Kell has. That's just a simple fact.

I agree, Khan has his faults as a person and as a boxer but he has shown he will put himself out of his comfort zone and will box very good opposition - Kell has yet to show this and it is a surprise that Khan is younger than Brook - Khan has boxed at a high level for years and years.

johnswan1 wrote:

palooka wrote:

SFW wrote:At least Kahn has shown the balls to fight the best, he dared to take much more risk than Kell has. That's just a simple fact.

I agree, Khan has his faults as a person and as a boxer but he has shown he will put himself out of his comfort zone and will box very good opposition - Kell has yet to show this and it is a surprise that Khan is younger than Brook - Khan has boxed at a high level for years and years.

Khan hasn't taken a risky fight since he got knocked out by Garcia at Light Welter. He's only fought light punching boxers since then.

palooka wrote: Devon Alexander is better than every opponent Brook has boxed.

johnswan1 wrote:

palooka wrote: Devon Alexander is better than every opponent Brook has boxed.

Better than Porter?

johnswan1 wrote:

caldo2025 wrote: There's no way Khan and Brook gets done. Here you have the two most erroneously inflated ego's in the sport both thinking that they are the A side of any negotiation. These guys will end up fighting well past the appropriate time to fight. Like Manny and Floyd, they will fight well past the time anyone gives a darn. Screw boxing.

Brook and Hearn are desperate for the Khan fight. Brook is not a diva and is far more realistic than Khan.