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ikorolev wrote:

Paci wrote:Just hope that the fight is any good. Don't care about the money the fighters are making or whatever ABC-belt scam is going on.

Meaningless topic overall. But well, let him keep his money for putting his ass on the line, same goes for Canelo. Wish them good luck and hope they both come out allright after the fight.The WBC can't stop it so why cares about them?

You could have written something smarter for your first post. "Ass on the line" ??? Fighting mandatory Golovkin would be putting his ass on the line. Buying his way out of it and refusing to pay at the last moment is not putting his ass on the line.

Ikorolev is nailing it on the head in this string. There's NOTHING admirable or heroic about Cotto's motives here. It's just another BS move by the little queen Cotto is. Though it's probably the best scheme to avoid a beating i've seen in Boxing, it just concretes my feelings about Cotto and his overrated pussy self.

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
Cotto didn't pay the step aside money!

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... story.html

Not only he is a coward, but also a scammer!

Hey, didn't you tell me lil g didn't care about the money?

If he isn't, why are you?

Besides, Cotto isn't scamming anyone.

The step aside fee of $800,000 was in order for Cotto to remain 160 lb champ while he fought Canelo
instead of Golovkin, his mandatory.

Well, Cotto aint the champ no more, Gennady aint his mandatory, and there is no need to pay him to
step aside for anything.

Wave bye-bye to the 800K, and good luck suing for it.

So lets recap.

Lil g shot shot himself in the foot by not even garnering 125K PPV buys...
yet he was throwing tickets like he is an A-side to guys who are actually are.

And, he sold himself a little too well to the WBC, who bought enough of those wolf tickets
to think stripping the guy actually holding the title was a good idea.

Meanwhile, the only guy that can win the title Saturday is already on record as saying
lil g does it his way or hits the highway.

Hope that money he got from the Lemieux fight is enough.

Bet lil g is rethinking 155 now...

Golovkin will "survive" without Cotto's money. I bet he would now fight Cotto for free to see midget's teeth coming out of his a$$.

Of, course he'll "survive". Lots of good financial stories in boxing without the huge PPV windfall. Paul Williams is one that comes to mind.

But, that ain't the point, is it?

We are talking about lil g taking that final step, that breakout to mega-star status.

That is what all this is about.

That is the "fight" Gennady is losing, and losing badly.

And the funny part? It is his own fault.

You cannot simultaneously try to pass yourself as the most avoided guy out there AND consistently avoid fights you should make.

You can't say you will fight anyone or say it isn't about money then turn down fights with guys you think will beat you or expose you while saying it ain't enough money.

You can't have a network hype you more than any other recent fighter that comes to mind, some of them actually trying to challenge themselves (unlike you) then be upset when you PPV debut against a limited opponent is a flop.

And you can't try to dictate to guys that have earned the right to treat you like the Bside you really are.

koolkc107 wrote: Of, course he'll "survive". Lots of good financial stories in boxing without the huge PPV windfall. Paul Williams is one that comes to mind.

But, that ain't the point, is it?

We are talking about lil g taking that final step, that breakout to mega-star status.

That is what all this is about.

That is the "fight" Gennady is losing, and losing badly.

And the funny part? It is his own fault.

You cannot simultaneously try to pass yourself as the most avoided guy out there AND consistently avoid fights you should make.

You can't say you will fight anyone or say it isn't about money then turn down fights with guys you think will beat you or expose you while saying it ain't enough money.

You can't have a network hype you more than any other recent fighter that comes to mind, some of them actually trying to challenge themselves (unlike you) then be upset when you PPV debut against a limited opponent is a flop.

And you can't try to dictate to guys that have earned the right to treat you like the Bside you really are.

Gennady is not worried about that "final step". That is just your fantasy. The reason for the Lemieux fight to be a PPV was a need to provide a sufficient purse to lure Lemieux into the ring and get a belt from him. HBO wasn't willing to pay 4 million for a regular card.

Well, there you go again Kovey.

Kissing up to Golovkin as usual.

Numbers don´t lie. Until that guy can learn to speak passable English and gets into the ring with worthwhile opponents, 150,000 PPV sales will be the norm for him.

A bout against Canelo would draw 1 million +, but the bulk of the buyers (about 90%) would be buying to see the Mexican, not the Russian.

It won´t be long until Golovkin pulls a Rousey and is exposed as someone who has created a formidable reputation by feasting on nobodies. Get into the ring with established stars like Canelo or Cotto and he´ll be laid out just like that unproven UFC broad.

SenorPipino wrote:Get into the ring with established stars like Canelo or Cotto and he´ll be laid out

This is even more ridiculous than your prediction of Hopkins schooling Kovalev. We all know what you base your predictions on.

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: Of, course he'll "survive". Lots of good financial stories in boxing without the huge PPV windfall. Paul Williams is one that comes to mind.

But, that ain't the point, is it?

We are talking about lil g taking that final step, that breakout to mega-star status.

That is what all this is about.

That is the "fight" Gennady is losing, and losing badly.

And the funny part? It is his own fault.

You cannot simultaneously try to pass yourself as the most avoided guy out there AND consistently avoid fights you should make.

You can't say you will fight anyone or say it isn't about money then turn down fights with guys you think will beat you or expose you while saying it ain't enough money.

You can't have a network hype you more than any other recent fighter that comes to mind, some of them actually trying to challenge themselves (unlike you) then be upset when you PPV debut against a limited opponent is a flop.

And you can't try to dictate to guys that have earned the right to treat you like the Bside you really are.

Gennady is not worried about that "final step". That is just your fantasy. The reason for the Lemieux fight to be a PPV was a need to provide a sufficient purse to lure Lemieux into the ring and get a belt from him. HBO wasn't willing to pay 4 million for a regular card.

No, it is lil g and Loeffler's fantasy.

Here is the prez of K2 before the PPV fiasco:

“With the financials and revenue from this fight, it makes him (Golovkin) appealing. Gennady fighting any middleweight champion next year is going to be a mega fight.”

http://www.BS.com/loeffler-ggg ... 016--97201

Well, let's explore that statement a bit, shall we?

We already know that lil g can't or won't make 155.

And since he is definitely B-side to both Canelo or Cotto, right now that fight is a pipedream.

So who else does lil g make his megafight with?

Other champs right now are Daniel Jacobs and Andy Lee; by next year it may be Quillin and Saunders.

None of those guys are going to be the big fight that Loeffler fantasized.

As a matter of fact, it looks like lil g's best money option may be oversees fighting a contender like Eubank.

And that aint no megafight.

So you go ahead and take a crack at it, EyeCaramba.

Who is he going to fight for the pot of gold they been hoping to cash in on?

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote: Gennady is not worried about that "final step". That is just your fantasy. The reason for the Lemieux fight to be a PPV was a need to provide a sufficient purse to lure Lemieux into the ring and get a belt from him. HBO wasn't willing to pay 4 million for a regular card.

No, it is lil g and Loeffler's fantasy.

Here is the prez of K2 before the PPV fiasco:

“With the financials and revenue from this fight, it makes him (Golovkin) appealing. Gennady fighting any middleweight champion next year is going to be a mega fight.”

http://www.BS.com/loeffler-ggg ... 016--97201

Well, let's explore that statement a bit, shall we?

We already know that lil g can't or won't make 155.

And since he is definitely B-side to both Canelo or Cotto, right now that fight is a pipedream.

So who else does lil g make his megafight with?

Other champs right now are Daniel Jacobs and Andy Lee; by next year it may be Quillin and Saunders.

None of those guys are going to be the big fight that Loeffler fantasized.

As a matter of fact, it looks like lil g's best money option may be oversees fighting a contender like Eubank.

And that aint no megafight.

So you go ahead and take a crack at it, EyeCaramba.

Who is he going to fight for the pot of gold they been hoping to cash in on?

I don't f4cking care about this subject. Neither are other real boxing fans. Golovkin is BY FAR the best middleweight who can wipe the floor with Cotto and Canelo on the same day and that is what matters. They can stick their A sides into their a$$es and keep complaining how small they are.

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

No, it is lil g and Loeffler's fantasy.

Here is the prez of K2 before the PPV fiasco:

“With the financials and revenue from this fight, it makes him (Golovkin) appealing. Gennady fighting any middleweight champion next year is going to be a mega fight.”

http://www.BS.com/loeffler-ggg ... 016--97201

Well, let's explore that statement a bit, shall we?

We already know that lil g can't or won't make 155.

And since he is definitely B-side to both Canelo or Cotto, right now that fight is a pipedream.

So who else does lil g make his megafight with?

Other champs right now are Daniel Jacobs and Andy Lee; by next year it may be Quillin and Saunders.

None of those guys are going to be the big fight that Loeffler fantasized.

As a matter of fact, it looks like lil g's best money option may be oversees fighting a contender like Eubank.

And that aint no megafight.

So you go ahead and take a crack at it, EyeCaramba.

Who is he going to fight for the pot of gold they been hoping to cash in on?

I don't f4cking care about this subject. Neither are other real boxing fans. Golovkin is BY FAR the best middleweight who can wipe the floor with Cotto and Canelo on the same day and that is what matters. They can stick their A sides into their a$$es and keep complaining how small they are.

I get it.

Saying you no longer care about something you've been caring about for pages and multiple threads is

you finally comprehending what I have been trying to tell you all this time.

Your boy lil g is in a pretty box, one he painted himself.

And it is going to take him actually attempting to live up to all the hype that is going to be the
thing that either gets him out of that box or exposes him.

FYI, real boxing fans want to see your boy try a 168 pounder...yesterday.
Real fans want him to keep his word and go down to wherever he said he can last year to make a fight.

154 for Mayweather but not 155 for the next biggest paydays available is the fakest thing out there right now.

So you can talk about cowards and lack of integrity and being false...just be sure you are talking
about the right guy- lil g.

You are delusional. What pretty box ??? Go take your pills.

ikorolev wrote:You are delusional. What pretty box ??? Go take your pills.

See, that's called projection.

Now we all know you are on prescription medication.

The only pills I really need are ones that will help me stop laughing so hard at you.

Tell me again, who is the opponent for the next big money fight lil g is about to have?

A year ago it looked like this guy had several can't miss paydays lined up.

Where are they now?

You are going to try and say every single instance the other guy ran?

Don't thinks so.

Some of this- a lot of it actually- lil g is going to have to own.

Bet that Lara fight looks good now...LMAO!!!!!

F4ck you!!! Can you talk about anything beside money ??? Golovkin is by far the best MW, and haters will have to wait a little until he gets all MW belts before he moves to 168 and disappoints you again by beating SMW champions.

ikorolev wrote:F4ck you!!! Can you talk about anything beside money ??? Golovkin is by far the best MW, and haters will have to wait a little until he gets all MW belts before he moves to 168 and disappoints you again by beating SMW champions.

You cant F4ck me, like you try to do other posters...guess that is your problem.

I AM talking about something besides the money.

The main jist of what I am saying is about the failure of lil g to take the big fights.

This while basically saying he'd fight anyone and go to THEIR weight to do it.

The money (or lack thereof) is a direct result of this.

You seem to be one of those folks that wanna act like you know it all or act clueless
depending upon how well whichever act suits you.

You wanna talk about someone having to pay a step aside fee of almost 800K, start bawling like a newborn
when you find out your idol didn't get one red cent, all this without conceding it was extortion in the first place.

Extortion leveraged by lil g and his peeps in collusion with the WBC, which has been insanely hypocritical
even by sanctioning body standards.

Extortion leveraged to force a money fight...which, right now, appears to have backfired.

Neither Canelo or Cotto have fought for a legitimate world title in over 2 years. It's farcical.

The last world title fight Canelo participated in was vs Trout... a junior mw fight at 154 and he weighed 172lb, back in 2013.

Since then he fought for the belts against Floyd at 152lb, which is an amatuer Welterweight fight. So unlucky to Canelo there missing out on the World Amatuer Welterweight title.

In his next 3 fights he was unable to compete for the junior middleweight title on account that he can't make 154. He's a middleweight now that seems to chicken shit to fight at middleweight, i guess with Golovkin hanging about I would be too, contracting 4 fights in a row at 155.

Cotto on the other hand, similarly to Canelo, his last legit title fight was also to Trout in 2012, 3 years back now, for his junior middleweight belt which he lost. His comeback fight was 154 but a non-title fight and like Canelo, he's been parading around in Middleweight, even holding a belt, while refusing to actually fight, at, uhm... middleweight.

The absoulte kicker, the punchline in this laughable state of affairs, is that tonight Canelo can win the WBC Middleweight Championship of the World.... having never fought more than a pound heavier than Junior Middleweight

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:F4ck you!!! Can you talk about anything beside money ??? Golovkin is by far the best MW, and haters will have to wait a little until he gets all MW belts before he moves to 168 and disappoints you again by beating SMW champions.

You cant F4ck me, like you try to do other posters...guess that is your problem.

I AM talking about something besides the money.

The main jist of what I am saying is about the failure of lil g to take the big fights.

This while basically saying he'd fight anyone and go to THEIR weight to do it.

The money (or lack thereof) is a direct result of this.

You seem to be one of those folks that wanna act like you know it all or act clueless
depending upon how well whichever act suits you.

You wanna talk about someone having to pay a step aside fee of almost 800K, start bawling like a newborn
when you find out your idol didn't get one red cent, all this without conceding it was extortion in the first place.

Extortion leveraged by lil g and his peeps in collusion with the WBC, which has been insanely hypocritical
even by sanctioning body standards.

Extortion leveraged to force a money fight...which, right now, appears to have backfired.

OK, you are clearly Brut. Adding to ignore list.

When you actually earn elite status real fans and casual fans alike will forgive you for not being overly concerned with corrupt and incompetent sanctioning bodies.

And the last post can actually be seen as making the argument on behalf of Cotto and Canelo for lil g to keep his word and fight them at 155.

Neither man has ever weighed in north of 155- hell, Miguel weighed in as a super welter yesterday! Neither man has fought anyone who weighs in as heavy as lil g.

When we talk about legacy, we can't ignore that the great ones find a way to go to where the fights are, whether it means moving up or down. If that was the only thing in play, you could fault Canelo or Cotto or lil g as all guilty of not meeting halfway.

The problem is we have listened to the fighter, his trainer, and his promoter for the last 2 and a half years tell us they will fight anyone from 3 or 4 weight classes, while somehow managing to not even pull it off once.

Boxing's history is full of smaller guys challenging bigger guys. In none of those cases was there any demand that the smaller guy keep fighting at the higher weight. It was always a choice as it should be.

We can admire a man for challenging himself above and beyond the call of duty. But there is no shame in fighting folks your own size- it is what the sport is based on.

If lil g wants to fight Cotto or Canelo, the onus is and always will be on him to make concessions, not the other way around.

koolkc107, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.

ikorolev wrote:

Paci wrote:Just hope that the fight is any good. Don't care about the money the fighters are making or whatever ABC-belt scam is going on.

Meaningless topic overall. But well, let him keep his money for putting his ass on the line, same goes for Canelo. Wish them good luck and hope they both come out allright after the fight.The WBC can't stop it so why cares about them?

You could have written something smarter for your first post. "Ass on the line" ??? Fighting mandatory Golovkin would be putting his ass on the line. Buying his way out of it and refusing to pay at the last moment is not putting his ass on the line.

Well, boxing is a dangerous sport and things can go very bad pretty quickly. Thats my point. Never, ever overlook it the aspect that people can die, if you do that, well then your opinion isn't worth anything.

And Cotto would be killed by GGG, that is a problem for me.

Ricky_ wrote:Good, he's never fought a fight at middleweight.

This is why he should have been stripped, if you want to be middleweight champion then fight at middleweight.