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Lenny using the head most of the fight. Illegal.

skanksta wrote:the butt that did the damage looked pretty accidental to me.

It was a (good) dirty fight - shoulda been a point off maybe, but let them carry on fighting.
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It is not possible, the doctor stopped the fight. If the ref thinks that the headbutt was unintentional, the fight should have gone to the scorecards.

To the Ref's defense, he had been telling Lenny to keep his head up all fight long. I suppose it was the last straw. Yes, the ref was bad throughout, but it was a tough one and I think the majority of the blame lies in the fighters, and in this case mostly Lenny, he had every opportunity to win.

who wins the rematch and how ?

Daws reminding me a little of Carmen Basilio with his eye swollen.

Looking at replays I did think he fell in with his head a bit at the end.

Well Mick's not holding back is he...

Seen the replay. The initial contact looked accidental. The fact that Daws then pushed the lad backwards with his head looked bad and probably gave the ref a nudge.

Lots of clashed heads, lots of low blows but as Ricky Hatton used to say ' its not a tickling contest!'

Nieto clinched a lot, swung low at times (unintentionally). Lenny lunged a lot, muscled with shoulders and head when clinched up. Both had good combos at times. Was a very gritty fight. Cant solely blame the ref for this. Was a dog fight.

Can't help but think its Lennys own fault he was boxing well at range and should / could of won the fight in the last few rds at range.

A great tear up which was ruined throughout by an idiot of a referee ,constantly man handling both guys,warning Nieto for Daws errors and vice versa,standing counts for a low blow,then a DQ for an accidental headclash Fvck ive had some bad days at work but if Carlsberg did shitty days then this guy would be working it

For what its worth i had Nieto up by 2 at the end but there were a lot of close rounds and it got scrappy in there so wont argue with Daws being ahead on judges cards,in saying that its irreleveant now,i just hope the EBU order a rematch

There were some naughty moments from both men in there but the final head clash seemed unintentional to me

great fight and a shocking referee.....made ian john lewis look like mills lane!!

ref !!!!!

rhino222 wrote:great fight and a shocking referee.....made ian john lewis look like mills lane!!

Nearly went to that fight.

Grew up close to Carshalton, and am still a bus ride away. Sadly, I had plans already on this date.

Probably lucky. That crowd was lively pre-fight, let alone after that decision.

Hopefully there's a rematch.

ILikeBeer wrote:Hopefully there's a rematch.

The judges had him ahead. I had Nieto just in front. Shocking refereeing. That guy needs to have a word with himself. Ruined a very good fight.

Stuarty30 wrote:

ILikeBeer wrote:Hopefully there's a rematch.

The judges had him ahead. I had Nieto just in front. Shocking refereeing. That guy needs to have a word with himself. Ruined a very good fight.

I didn't score it, but I got the impression the judges were giving Lenny a bit of a hometown. Nieto looked to be narrowly ahead. So in a just world, it'd have been a draw and Lenny would've lost on points anyway.

However, there's enough referee divvery for there to be a rematch, in my opinion.

Coachmanager wrote:It is DQ for me. Lenny goes like a bull and he hit with his head, if the doctor think Nieto can't continue, the ref has to dq Lenny.

If its accidental (which it clearly was) then the referee has to go to the score cards. No way was that a DQ and no way did it even remotely look intentional! You have to feel for both guys here. Great fight and the two guys put everything into it! Frustrating not to get a definitive conclusion. A rematch should be ordered by the EBU and that ref needs a swift kick to the peas! Incompetent bellend!

ILikeBeer wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

ILikeBeer wrote:Hopefully there's a rematch.

The judges had him ahead. I had Nieto just in front. Shocking refereeing. That guy needs to have a word with himself. Ruined a very good fight.

I didn't score it, but I got the impression the judges were giving Lenny a bit of a hometown. Nieto looked to be narrowly ahead. So in a just world, it'd have been a draw and Lenny would've lost on points anyway.

However, there's enough referee divvery for there to be a rematch, in my opinion.

Yeah you're correct about the hometown comment IMO anyway. I had the Spaniard just ahead but it was pretty messy and hard to score. I thought Daws looked every inch his 36 years in there at times tonight. In saying that, if the ref had done his job properly then they would've went to the scorecards and Daws would be the new champ. Far too many question marks over this fight in any case. Hopefully they both heal up sharpish and get it on again.

Stuarty30 wrote:

Coachmanager wrote:It is DQ for me. Lenny goes like a bull and he hit with his head, if the doctor think Nieto can't continue, the ref has to dq Lenny.

If its accidental (which it clearly was) then the referee has to go to the score cards. No way was that a DQ and no way did it even remotely look intentional! You have to feel for both guys here. Great fight and the two guys put everything into it! Frustrating not to get a definitive conclusion. A rematch should be ordered by the EBU and that ref needs a swift kick to the peas! Incompetent bellend!

He's led with his head. Any time you have your head in front of your foot you're in trouble. Might not have been an intentional butt, but he led with his head and that's a foul. Bet the Channel 5 cheerleaders would have been screaming if the Spaniard had done that

gobbles wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

Coachmanager wrote:It is DQ for me. Lenny goes like a bull and he hit with his head, if the doctor think Nieto can't continue, the ref has to dq Lenny.

If its accidental (which it clearly was) then the referee has to go to the score cards. No way was that a DQ and no way did it even remotely look intentional! You have to feel for both guys here. Great fight and the two guys put everything into it! Frustrating not to get a definitive conclusion. A rematch should be ordered by the EBU and that ref needs a swift kick to the peas! Incompetent bellend!

He's led with his head. Any time you have your head in front of your foot you're in trouble. Might not have been an intentional butt, but he led with his head and that's a foul. Bet the Channel 5 cheerleaders would have been screaming if the Spaniard had done that

The two of them were leaning and falling in all night. It was a messy fight and the clash that caused the cut was accidental. Doesn't matter how you dress it up. The ref had an absolute nightmare and ruined a very good fight. In no way should Daws have been DQd. If you start chanting for DQs after that type of thing then we're on a slippery slope.

Stuarty30 wrote:

gobbles wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
If its accidental (which it clearly was) then the referee has to go to the score cards. No way was that a DQ and no way did it even remotely look intentional! You have to feel for both guys here. Great fight and the two guys put everything into it! Frustrating not to get a definitive conclusion. A rematch should be ordered by the EBU and that ref needs a swift kick to the peas! Incompetent bellend!

He's led with his head. Any time you have your head in front of your foot you're in trouble. Might not have been an intentional butt, but he led with his head and that's a foul. Bet the Channel 5 cheerleaders would have been screaming if the Spaniard had done that

The two of them were leaning and falling in all night. It was a messy fight and the clash that caused the cut was accidental. Doesn't matter how you dress it up. The ref had an absolute nightmare and ruined a very good fight. In no way should Daws have been DQd. If you start chanting for DQs after that type of thing then we're on a slippery slope.

I hardly saw Nieto falling in at all. Daws was the one getting warned for using the head, Nieto was very stand-up but threw low a lot. Can't remember him going in with his head. The shame was, when Daws leaned in he was far less effective. When he boxed, he did well

gobbles wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

gobbles wrote:
He's led with his head. Any time you have your head in front of your foot you're in trouble. Might not have been an intentional butt, but he led with his head and that's a foul. Bet the Channel 5 cheerleaders would have been screaming if the Spaniard had done that

The two of them were leaning and falling in all night. It was a messy fight and the clash that caused the cut was accidental. Doesn't matter how you dress it up. The ref had an absolute nightmare and ruined a very good fight. In no way should Daws have been DQd. If you start chanting for DQs after that type of thing then we're on a slippery slope.

I hardly saw Nieto falling in at all. Daws was the one getting warned for using the head, Nieto was very stand-up but threw low a lot. Can't remember him going in with his head. The shame was, when Daws leaned in he was far less effective. When he boxed, he did well

Daws looked tired and was more noticeable but Nieto was guilty as well especially in close. I had Nieto up at the time of the stoppage but it was a bad stoppage IMO. Was a rough fight but a good fight and I think the referee was wrong at the end. Even afterwards he was gesturing with his head as if Daws had butted him intentionally and that's just a nonsense.

Mad scrap that, thought both fighters were as dirty as each other. No way should it have been a dq for me. Gutted as had Daws on points. Not sure the bookies will void the contest even if it is changed to a nc.

The ref was gesturing it was some kinda Duncan Ferguson style heid butt. Which wasn't the case.

It was dangerous yes but wasnt hugely deliberate. A point off maybe but not a DQ. After the doc had a look Nieto looked well pissed off with blood pissing down his face and the ref decides that's it.