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I had to work so I couldn't watch the fight but I knew Jacobs would beat Quillen, who looked terrible against Andy Lee.

I've never been all in on Kid Chocolate but i did expect a little more from him last night then we got. But, I was not happy with the ref's performance AGAIN in a big fight. The ref stepped in two times in this round when he shouldn't have. These refs just have to make it about themselves. After Harvey Dock stepped in the second time for absolutely no reason, he put himself in no mans land because he stopped the action again and the only call he could make was stopping the fight as the standing 8 was not an option.

Kid C has been in trouble at least once in most of his fights and he was definitely buzzed and may have gone done or been hurt but this is boxing. They risk their lives in there and that's the sport they chose. Horrible stoppage in my opinion.

caldo2025 wrote:I've never been all in on Kid Chocolate but i did expect a little more from him last night then we got. But, I was not happy with the ref's performance AGAIN in a big fight. The ref stepped in two times in this round when he shouldn't have. These refs just have to make it about themselves. After Harvey Dock stepped in the second time for absolutely no reason, he put himself in no mans land because he stopped the action again and the only call he could make was stopping the fight as the standing 8 was not an option.

Kid C has been in trouble at least once in most of his fights and he was definitely buzzed and may have gone done or been hurt but this is boxing. They risk their lives in there and that's the sport they chose. Horrible stoppage in my opinion.

I am sure Haymon is happy is Jacobs is a much more marketable fighter than Quillen, more clean cut better personality to market.

It's really a no win situation for these refs. We got people bitching about a justified stoppage on one end, while other refs let guys like Colon get beat into a coma. But Harvey Dock's action is the problem??? fornicate no it isn't, he did exactly what he needed to. Save quillin from being hurt even more badly. Since he clearly couldn't defend himself.

The ref has the closest position in proximity to the fighters. So it's a judgement call. The disappointing part is Quillin never got into the fight. It was a short fight. It is what it is. A Great Win for Jacobs.

ikorolev wrote:Quillin was done. He could be badly hurt, but he couldn't win that fight. We don't need another Mago.

Mago was hurt because of sustained punches over many rounds. Not a one minute KO.

SFW wrote:It's really a no win situation for these refs. We got people bitching about a justified stoppage on one end, while other refs let guys like Colon get beat into a coma. But Harvey Dock's action is the problem??? eff no it isn't, he did exactly what he needed to. Save quillin from being hurt even more badly. Since he clearly couldn't defend himself.

Dock was in the wrong position. He should have been at the wide part of the ring and found himself in the short side of the ring with his back to PQ. He was in poor postion and it was a poor job by him, last night.

keirw wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

Tanzio wrote:It was a decent stoppage. Quillin didn't have enough sense to take a knee. Therefore, he was finished.

Let Jacobs knock him down then, why is the ref standing right on top of both guys? He did not have to be in there like that. Harvey is just too excited as a referee. He just started getting big assignments the last couple years and I am saying he is not ready for the big time. That was an Olympic stoppage. Not a professional big time fight stoppage.

On the contrary, in an Olympic bout the ref would give a standing eight .
In a professional fight the rules are different, it's up to the fighter to protect themselves at all times.
He could not hold as Jacobs was letting his hands go, he could not get on his toes as his legs had gone, all he could do was take a knee. But he didn't take that option, he just stood there wobbling with a half hearted guard up, leaving the ref little choice.

The ref may or may have not given the 8 count in the olympics. The ref can stop the fight at any time.

SFW wrote:Quillin was saved, he had nothing and was being completely owned BEFORE that last right hand that sent him reeling like a newborn giraffe. It was not a bad stoppage at all. The outcry is only from the butthurt, who had to finally face reality. Peter handled his ass whupping much better than that, he's got class for sure.

Go watch Benn vs. Gerald McClellan. I am sure you would have stopped that fight too right?

caldo2025 wrote:I've never been all in on Kid Chocolate but i did expect a little more from him last night then we got. But, I was not happy with the ref's performance AGAIN in a big fight. The ref stepped in two times in this round when he shouldn't have. These refs just have to make it about themselves. After Harvey Dock stepped in the second time for absolutely no reason, he put himself in no mans land because he stopped the action again and the only call he could make was stopping the fight as the standing 8 was not an option.

Kid C has been in trouble at least once in most of his fights and he was definitely buzzed and may have gone done or been hurt but this is boxing. They risk their lives in there and that's the sport they chose. Horrible stoppage in my opinion.

You are exactly right on Harvey's performance.

victor-romeo wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:I've never been all in on Kid Chocolate but i did expect a little more from him last night then we got. But, I was not happy with the ref's performance AGAIN in a big fight. The ref stepped in two times in this round when he shouldn't have. These refs just have to make it about themselves. After Harvey Dock stepped in the second time for absolutely no reason, he put himself in no mans land because he stopped the action again and the only call he could make was stopping the fight as the standing 8 was not an option.

Kid C has been in trouble at least once in most of his fights and he was definitely buzzed and may have gone done or been hurt but this is boxing. They risk their lives in there and that's the sport they chose. Horrible stoppage in my opinion.

I am sure Haymon is happy is Jacobs is a much more marketable fighter than Quillen, more clean cut better personality to market.

There is nothing wrong with PQ's personality at all outside of the fact that he wants nothing to do with GGG but now I know why.

Lancenix wrote:

SFW wrote:Quillin was saved, he had nothing and was being completely owned BEFORE that last right hand that sent him reeling like a newborn giraffe. It was not a bad stoppage at all. The outcry is only from the butthurt, who had to finally face reality. Peter handled his ass whupping much better than that, he's got class for sure.

Go watch Benn vs. Gerald McClellan. I am sure you would have stopped that fight too right?

I think it's correct to err on the side of caution when it's deemed appropriate, your example shows what a lack of caution can result in. Had that fight been stopped, one guy is walking away with his brain intact and the other has a few less years beaten out of his mind and body.

The difference between what Nigel Benn can take and what Peter Quillin can take is also quite different and should be taken into account.

Either way, the ref looked in his eyes and saw what others could tell, Quillin had no idea what was going on after repeated unanswered power shots and was clearly ripe to be crushed. Ref did just fine. I'm sorry for anyone who lost money or PQ was their buddy or whateva the case may be, the better guy won. He happened to make it look easy. That's just what happened.

SFW wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

SFW wrote:Quillin was saved, he had nothing and was being completely owned BEFORE that last right hand that sent him reeling like a newborn giraffe. It was not a bad stoppage at all. The outcry is only from the butthurt, who had to finally face reality. Peter handled his ass whupping much better than that, he's got class for sure.

Go watch Benn vs. Gerald McClellan. I am sure you would have stopped that fight too right?

I think it's correct to err on the side of caution when it's deemed appropriate, your example shows what a lack of caution can result in. Had that fight been stopped, one guy is walking away with his brain intact and the other has a few less years beaten out of his mind and body.

The difference between what Nigel Benn can take and what Peter Quillin can take is also quite different and should be taken into account.

Either way, the ref looked in his eyes and saw what others could tell, Quillin had no idea what was going on after repeated unanswered power shots and was clearly ripe to be crushed. Ref did just fine. I'm sorry for anyone who lost money or PQ was their buddy or whateva the case may be, the better guy won. He happened to make it look easy. That's just what happened.

Benn came back and won the fight. That's why the fight has to go on.

Just read an interview from Quillin on fightnews.... com
Quillin said “I’m the same person I was before this setback. I learned something very valuable in this camp while preparing for this fight, no matter what you do or prepare for, God is in control. Harvey (referee Harvey Dock) was definitely doing his job. I was always sending prayers to Prichard Colon and I could never imagine being in that moment. It’s best that people like that who have those types of job do the best that they can do so we can avoid situations happen like that.”

Hell all of these people complaining and the fighter that was actually stopped agreed with the stoppage. SMDH.
Even he knew he could not carry on and this comment insinuates he did not want to suffer permanent damage. What is so hard for the so called fans to understand.If you want to see a guy laid out and injured seriously why not follow another sport.These boxers have a life after the sport.They have families and friends that need and love them.
It was a good stoppage period the freaking end

tiny_acres wrote:Just read an interview from Quillin on fightnews.... com
Quillin said “I’m the same person I was before this setback. I learned something very valuable in this camp while preparing for this fight, no matter what you do or prepare for, God is in control. Harvey (referee Harvey Dock) was definitely doing his job. I was always sending prayers to Prichard Colon and I could never imagine being in that moment. It’s best that people like that who have those types of job do the best that they can do so we can avoid situations happen like that.”

Hell all of these people complaining and the fighter that was actually stopped agreed with the stoppage. SMDH.
Even he knew he could not carry on and this comment insinuates he did not want to suffer permanent damage. What is so hard for the so called fans to understand.If you want to see a guy laid out and injured seriously why not follow another sport.These boxers have a life after the sport.They have families and friends that need and love them.
It was a good stoppage period the freaking end

Amen.

Lancenix wrote:

SFW wrote:Quillin was saved, he had nothing and was being completely owned BEFORE that last right hand that sent him reeling like a newborn giraffe. It was not a bad stoppage at all. The outcry is only from the butthurt, who had to finally face reality. Peter handled his ass whupping much better than that, he's got class for sure.

Go watch Benn vs. Gerald McClellan. I am sure you would have stopped that fight too right?

That's a terrible example, that fight almost ended one of the competitor's lives.

The legs were one thing but it was the eyes which made the refs mind up. He was transfixed on something (at first it looked like Jacobs), then the ref waved it off and PQ didn't even look at the ref, still in Jacobs direction only now, Jacobs had moved and PQ was still starting. He was done. Good stoppage.

As others have said, fantastic post-fight interviews. Credit to both lads.

danamba7 wrote:The legs were one thing but it was the eyes which made the refs mind up. He was transfixed on something (at first it looked like Jacobs),

I thought that at first he was looking at Jacobs, but look at this https://gfycat.com/RemoteScaredGuernseycow
you can scroll through the clip and he is just not tracking with his eyes. Brain scrambled.

ttornado wrote:

danamba7 wrote:The legs were one thing but it was the eyes which made the refs mind up. He was transfixed on something (at first it looked like Jacobs),

I thought that at first he was looking at Jacobs, but look at this https://gfycat.com/RemoteScaredGuernseycow
you can scroll through the clip and he is just not tracking with his eyes. Brain scrambled.

Exactly.

sucracristo wrote:new york goes by the ABC unified rules
http://www.dos.ny.gov/athletic/policies.html

the ABC unified rules say "7. There is NO Standing Eight (8) Count."
http://www.boxinginsider.com/almanac/un ... mmissions/

quillin had to take a knee if he needed time to recover, but he was barely able to stand up when the ref
walked over to him and didn't take a knee. only choice was to let him get demolished or stop the fight.

what the hell are you doing, introducing actual facts into a forum debate ?