Re: 2 snippets of news today -Fury and Bruno
Posted: 09 Dec 2015, 05:59
This too is the elephant in the room.Grilling Machine wrote:The one thing I would say about Fury is that he's one of the few candidates who might actually be clean.
This too is the elephant in the room.Grilling Machine wrote:The one thing I would say about Fury is that he's one of the few candidates who might actually be clean.
I feel embarrassed by people like you, you assume far to much about what I think and how I can analyse information -SNG wrote:
You know, I feel genuinely embarrassed reading comments from people like you, it's sad that because he's a boxer you'll let him say and do what he likes without the criticism it deserves. It isn't about having opinions, no one really gives a eff what most people think, he's entitled to hold those views, but he isn't entitled to have those views put in the paper and be immune from the criticism it deserves, no one is, the fact you think he deserves to be immune says quite a lot about you. Would you be saying the same thing about radical Islamists? Are their views okay to be put in the paper and not be criticised? After all it's their interpretation of their religion just like Fury's. He didn't make any hateful comments? You're having a laugh, if you don't understand why what he said was wildly offensive you should leave the commenting to the adults as you clearly don't have the critical faculties to understand even minutely what he was saying, this comes after you swallowed (oooh) wholely his nonsense about being misquoted and misrepresented without even the faintest pause for thought just because HE said it.
People can hold whatever opinion they like, but if you don't want the media to have a pop, or the general public keep it to your self, it's fairly obvious to most of us.
What's a stupid argument there are different Christian religions but the Catholic religion is larger than all of the others put together. He is Catholic that's like saying a Buddhist should subscribe to Judaism because you don't agree with his beliefs.SNG wrote:Actually no he didn't, they printed the audio and full transcript to show he didn't misquote or misrepresent him.
Catholicism is one interpretation of the bible, there are many Christian religions that differ from Catholicism, I thought that was obvious.
We're back to you misunderstanding what's being said, I'm not saying that at all.Finn wrote:What's a stupid argument there are different Christian religions but the Catholic religion is larger than all of the others put together. He is Catholic that's like saying a Buddhist should subscribe to Judaism because you don't agree with his beliefs.SNG wrote:Actually no he didn't, they printed the audio and full transcript to show he didn't misquote or misrepresent him.
Catholicism is one interpretation of the bible, there are many Christian religions that differ from Catholicism, I thought that was obvious.
I'm saying Catholicism is only one interpretation of the bible, there are many. The entire bible is sexist by the way. I don't know what difference this makes, it's neither here nor there in this conversation, I just compared it to radical Islam to make a point, you wouldn't want their views in a paper without criticism would you? Also, it's curious that the last sign of the apocalypse is legalised paedophilia and this is being said by a catholic.Finn wrote:So what are you saying, he's a practicing Catholic his views apart from the sexism are the view of the Catholic Church. It's as simple as that.
You are still not explaining yourself, he is not a different religion he is Catholic, it's not a cult it's the leading Christian religion. He's not misinterpreting the the religion - that is the religion.SNG wrote:I'm saying Catholicism is only one interpretation of the bible, there are many. The entire bible is sexist by the way. I don't know what difference this makes, it's neither here nor there in this conversation, I just compared it to radical Islam to make a point, you wouldn't want their views in a paper without criticism would you? Also, it's curious that the last sign of the apocalypse is legalised paedophilia and this is being said by a catholic.Finn wrote:So what are you saying, he's a practicing Catholic his views apart from the sexism are the view of the Catholic Church. It's as simple as that.
I'm saying that just because he believes it doesn't mean it should be listened to and go uncriticsed in the media. Ffs.Finn wrote:You are still not explaining yourself, he is not a different religion he is Catholic, it's not a cult it's the leading Christian religion. He's not misinterpreting the the religion - that is the religion.SNG wrote:I'm saying Catholicism is only one interpretation of the bible, there are many. The entire bible is sexist by the way. I don't know what difference this makes, it's neither here nor there in this conversation, I just compared it to radical Islam to make a point, you wouldn't want their views in a paper without criticism would you? Also, it's curious that the last sign of the apocalypse is legalised paedophilia and this is being said by a catholic.Finn wrote:So what are you saying, he's a practicing Catholic his views apart from the sexism are the view of the Catholic Church. It's as simple as that.
What has radical Islam got to do with it?
I guess the pertinent question is why Fury is being pilloried for talking about what is apparently acceptable within Catholicism - why doesn't the Pope get investigated in the same manner?SNG wrote:I'm saying that just because he believes it doesn't mean it should be listened to and go uncriticsed in the media. Ffs.Finn wrote:You are still not explaining yourself, he is not a different religion he is Catholic, it's not a cult it's the leading Christian religion. He's not misinterpreting the the religion - that is the religion.SNG wrote:
I'm saying Catholicism is only one interpretation of the bible, there are many. The entire bible is sexist by the way. I don't know what difference this makes, it's neither here nor there in this conversation, I just compared it to radical Islam to make a point, you wouldn't want their views in a paper without criticism would you? Also, it's curious that the last sign of the apocalypse is legalised paedophilia and this is being said by a catholic.
What has radical Islam got to do with it?
I don't think abortion is mentioned in the bibleSNG wrote:Has the pope come out and said what Fury said? I'm not particularly up on the bible but I'm not sure it's written that the three signs of the apocalypse are abortion, homosexuality and paedophilia being legalised.
I thought the Pope was fighting for the vacated IBF belt? I can't keep up.Boxerbeetle wrote:I guess the pertinent question is why Fury is being pilloried for talking about what is apparently acceptable within Catholicism - why doesn't the Pope get investigated in the same manner?SNG wrote:I'm saying that just because he believes it doesn't mean it should be listened to and go uncriticsed in the media. Ffs.Finn wrote:
You are still not explaining yourself, he is not a different religion he is Catholic, it's not a cult it's the leading Christian religion. He's not misinterpreting the the religion - that is the religion.
What has radical Islam got to do with it?
I've no respect for anyone's religion. It's all utter guff, filled with misery, hate, and contradiction.reggaereggae wrote:The odd thing is; we're told we have to respect people's religion but also human rights and choice. Yet the old testament says gays should be killed, islam too.
Disagree. May have done, but not guaranteed.thechump wrote:Any era of frank bruno would of smashed fury to bits
Quite. There are plenty of good examples where the masses are too easily offended by alternative opinions. I don't think this is one of them. Fury's come across as a bigot walking backwards in a slurry of his own making.Orionx wrote:Yeah its PC gone mad. Why can't all male celebs say that a womans best place is on her back and that homosexual men are the sign of the apocolypse. I mean those are just perfectly ok public views in 2015 arn't they?
Hmmmmm......
Bruno was a massive heavyweight puncher and doesnt get the credit he deserves sometimes,i think whatever happens in a fight with fury bruno would bring his all not like klit did,and i can see a k.o in brunos favDavidPayne wrote:Disagree. May have done, but not guaranteed.thechump wrote:Any era of frank bruno would of smashed fury to bits
Then criticise the religion (like they would dare), don't witchhunt the man. He has the right to believe what he wants surely? He's not killing homosexuals or raping women, his wife isn't doing anything against her will.SNG wrote:I'm saying that just because he believes it doesn't mean it should be listened to and go uncriticsed in the media. Ffs.Finn wrote:You are still not explaining yourself, he is not a different religion he is Catholic, it's not a cult it's the leading Christian religion. He's not misinterpreting the the religion - that is the religion.SNG wrote:
I'm saying Catholicism is only one interpretation of the bible, there are many. The entire bible is sexist by the way. I don't know what difference this makes, it's neither here nor there in this conversation, I just compared it to radical Islam to make a point, you wouldn't want their views in a paper without criticism would you? Also, it's curious that the last sign of the apocalypse is legalised paedophilia and this is being said by a catholic.
What has radical Islam got to do with it?
I don't think people are upset that other's are criticising Fury's views. I, and I assume others, are angry because the reaction has been akin to a witch hunt where people are decrying his right to hold or express his opinions. Rather than set out why they think Fury is wrong or why they disagree they are trying to have him arrested, silenced and totally ignored for having the temerity to express an opinion that deviates from the very narrow set of opinions we are permitted to communicate these days.SNG wrote:You know, I feel genuinely embarrassed reading comments from people like you, it's sad that because he's a boxer you'll let him say and do what he likes without the criticism it deserves. It isn't about having opinions, no one really gives a eff what most people think, he's entitled to hold those views, but he isn't entitled to have those views put in the paper and be immune from the criticism it deserves, no one is, the fact you think he deserves to be immune says quite a lot about you. Would you be saying the same thing about radical Islamists? Are their views okay to be put in the paper and not be criticised? After all it's their interpretation of their religion just like Fury's. He didn't make any hateful comments? You're having a laugh, if you don't understand why what he said was wildly offensive you should leave the commenting to the adults as you clearly don't have the critical faculties to understand even minutely what he was saying, this comes after you swallowed (oooh) wholely his nonsense about being misquoted and misrepresented without even the faintest pause for thought just because HE said it.Finn wrote:What did he say that was of so much significance? This country has turned so politically correct its unreal, he didn't make any hateful comments. He doesn't agree with homosexuality or abortions, he's strict catholic its part of the bloody religion, where's the shock in that. He said Jessica Ennis has achieved great things and looks bang tidy - I say that all the time. He said he thinks women belong in the kitchen but if they want to box who is he to dictate what they are allowed to do - take a look at him and his wife together does it look like she's lacking empowerment?SNG wrote:
Why should he get a pass for saying the things he said? No one else would, trying to make it about him being from the travelling community is absurd.
Also, the bbc sports personality of the year is about achievement not actual personality ffs.
people aren't allowed to have their own opinions these days.
People can hold whatever opinion they like, but if you don't want the media to have a pop, or the general public keep it to your self, it's fairly obvious to most of us.
Well I'm Catholic albeit not a practicing one and you can either research it or take my word on it, the pope is the head of the Catholic Church and that church teaches that homosexuality, abortion, peadophilia, contraception and sex before marriage are all sins. The new pope tried to encourage the church to be more liberal and he was veto'd by the other high ranking Catholics.SNG wrote:Has the pope come out and said what Fury said? I'm not particularly up on the bible but I'm not sure it's written that the three signs of the apocalypse are abortion, homosexuality and paedophilia being legalised.