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Re: Should Joshua lose some weight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2015, 12:05
by jamesmcdonnell
Kingfield wrote:lol at the lack of science on display.
if a boxer fights for 3 minutes, then rests for 1 minute why does he need to go for long steady 'endurance' runs?!
it's like the 1980's in this thread.
I think a lot of fighters do interval training these days. Long roadwork should really be a thing of the past.
Funny thing is, a lot of old timers used to do long walks interspersed with sprints.
I think one of the reasons long runs were favoured was it was believed it kept the weight down, though evidence suggests long runs are an inefficient way of maintaining weight, and they burn calories far too slowly, and produce high levels of stress hormone Cortisol which actually promotes weight gain and many other problems.
There's probably a mental element of long slogs however, that helps a fighter cope with feelings of fatigue, though that is probably just as achievable doing sprint work, which is absolutely hellacious.
Re: Should Joshua lose some weight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2015, 12:20
by PredatorHayds
Roars Like Me wrote:bbjc wrote:One thing i dont think people have noticed is joshuas reflexes defensively are slow. Hes a knockout waiting to happen for me. The hands come down as a fight goes on also. Needs to forget about his power for now and learn how to outbox people. Because a lot of guys at the top level or around it will outlast his power. Guys like joshua put a lot into every punch when the guys still standing it ll go badly wrong...exactly the same mistake price made. Allbeit joshuas better. But it almost went badly wrong against whyte. Who for me laid the blueprint to beat joshua just wasnt good enough to pull it off...or probably the stamina to pull it off. Joshua needs to slow down in there. Go rounds and control people behind a jab mixing up his power. This going out there to destroy peoples starting bad habits that wont do him any good for the future. Price was knocking them over looking tremendous. All thompson had to do was outlast him and price folded shortly afterwards due to the fact price is trying to throw big bombs with most of his shots. People said no one will take prices power...i think people underestimate the durability of some of these heavyweights on the back of blowing out finished or part time fighters. Joshuas getting in the bad habit of going for the kill all guns blazing leaving himself vulnerable if someone is durable enough to take it...trust me they will. For a long time there was a huge question mark over the furys for me. But they know exactly what they re doing. Move and hit. Wear people down using the long reach. Mixing up the power. Making opponents scared to throw. Joshuas rythm is all out. Stop. All out. Stop. All out. Stop. He looks like he doesnt know any other way. Thats amatuer 3 round boxing stuff.
Malignaggi was astounded during the fight that he didn't establish any kind of jab, he was right as it's basic stuff. A perfect set up for his KO power so why not use it.
The funniest part of the night Saturday was when Malignaggi was saying how Joshua should avoid Haye as without a jab at this point in his career Haye could exploit it with his explosiveness.
It then went back to the studio with Haye trying to force a smile as he was there to sell himself for the Joshua fight and Paulie had completly nailed the analysis of why they shouldn't take it.
Thing I love about Paulie as a analyst is that he ignores boxing politics and talks how it is regardless.
Re: Should Joshua lose some weight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2015, 12:30
by HomicideHenry
I think Joshua is far away from being anything, so I don't understand the fuss around him. I would pick Povetkin to beat him handidly right now, let alone Klitschko, Wilder and Fury. Put him in there with a man who can take a beating and will keep coming at him. Throw him in with Johan Duapah who fought Wilder, and see how he deals with that. Let's really test his conditioning and how well he fairs the further a fight goes. Let's really test that chin of his, and see how great his recuperating powers are. Cus what the Dillian Whyte fight demonstrated to me was a man who has flaws in not only his game, but his reaction to being pressed. I saw the holes in David Price long before Thompson defeated him. I see those same holes in Joshua, albeit he is a better fighter than Price was. I don't get Great Britain.... you have a unified heavyweight champion who did a seemingly impossible task, who is highly entertaining.... and now you want a man with the demeaner of Floyd Patterson who has not yet proven a single thing to be the heavyweight champion?
Re: Should Joshua lose some weight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2015, 16:08
by Roars Like Me
PredatorHayds wrote:Roars Like Me wrote:bbjc wrote:One thing i dont think people have noticed is joshuas reflexes defensively are slow. Hes a knockout waiting to happen for me. The hands come down as a fight goes on also. Needs to forget about his power for now and learn how to outbox people. Because a lot of guys at the top level or around it will outlast his power. Guys like joshua put a lot into every punch when the guys still standing it ll go badly wrong...exactly the same mistake price made. Allbeit joshuas better. But it almost went badly wrong against whyte. Who for me laid the blueprint to beat joshua just wasnt good enough to pull it off...or probably the stamina to pull it off. Joshua needs to slow down in there. Go rounds and control people behind a jab mixing up his power. This going out there to destroy peoples starting bad habits that wont do him any good for the future. Price was knocking them over looking tremendous. All thompson had to do was outlast him and price folded shortly afterwards due to the fact price is trying to throw big bombs with most of his shots. People said no one will take prices power...i think people underestimate the durability of some of these heavyweights on the back of blowing out finished or part time fighters. Joshuas getting in the bad habit of going for the kill all guns blazing leaving himself vulnerable if someone is durable enough to take it...trust me they will. For a long time there was a huge question mark over the furys for me. But they know exactly what they re doing. Move and hit. Wear people down using the long reach. Mixing up the power. Making opponents scared to throw. Joshuas rythm is all out. Stop. All out. Stop. All out. Stop. He looks like he doesnt know any other way. Thats amatuer 3 round boxing stuff.
Malignaggi was astounded during the fight that he didn't establish any kind of jab, he was right as it's basic stuff. A perfect set up for his KO power so why not use it.
The funniest part of the night Saturday was when Malignaggi was saying how Joshua should avoid Haye as without a jab at this point in his career Haye could exploit it with his explosiveness.
It then went back to the studio with Haye trying to force a smile as he was there to sell himself for the Joshua fight and Paulie had completly nailed the analysis of why they shouldn't take it.
Thing I love about Paulie as a analyst is that he ignores boxing politics and talks how it is regardless.
Haha Haye must have thought you wanker there goes a potential meal ticket
